Padres get David Wells

**Triton** · 01-02-2004, 01:07 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

What are you two arguing about?

Here, let me make it simple.

Wells, Hitchcock, Valdez are all scrubs. Enough said.

**Mr_October** · 01-02-2004, 01:40 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

The most wins Hitchcock has in a single season is just 13. But I think he has proven he can pitch in the post-season.(4 Wins, 0 losses, 30.2 Innings Pitched, 11 BB, 41 SO.)

**Mr_October** · 01-02-2004, 01:40 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

The most wins Hitchcock has in a single season is just 13. But I think he has proven he can pitch in the post-season.(4 Wins, 0 losses, 30.2 Innings Pitched, 11 BB, 41 SO.)

**Mr_October** · 01-02-2004, 01:40 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

The most wins Hitchcock has in a single season is just 13. But I think he has proven he can pitch in the post-season.(4 Wins, 0 losses, 30.2 Innings Pitched, 11 BB, 41 SO.)

**BatsareBugs** · 01-02-2004, 03:39 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

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What are you talking about, he even said it that he didn't like how he was a spot starter/long reliever. Excuse me, but when he was made a starter by the Cardinals, he did well.

Hitchcock was a starter when he came up, will always be suited as a starter.

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LOL, he even said he didn't like being a spot starter/long reliever?

I'm sure he didn't, either would anyone else. There aren't players who are really good at that role, or are best fit for it. That is where bad starting pitchers on good teams pitch.

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If I could pull out the article from the UT when the Padres signed Hitchcock, he said that. Please, you only read stuff in NY and I ready stuff in SD, two different places, two different newspapers. Don't think I'm just coming up with @#$*.

And as for bad starting pitchers, so I'm guessing the Yanks starters are so good that aces and good pitchers on other ball clubs are their spot starters and long relievers?

Hitchcock being more successful as a starter with the Cards than being a spot starter/long reliever shows something that you are still denying.

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Alright, I guess you totally missed the point. Of course he said he's rather be a starter!! What do you think he'll say, "No, I only like to pitch when my team is down 10 runs. I like eating up innings and ruining my era. I'd rather pitch a couple times a year when my team is desperate than every 5 days." Any pitcher would put up better numbers in that situation. He pitched well for St. Louis, but so do a lot of guys who go to the NL in the middle of the season, and it's going to take a lot more than 6 starts to convince me that he is still a quality pitcher. His velocity is bad, and his location isn't good enough to overcome that. He is a shell of the pre-surgery Hitchcock.

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Which is what we need.

Hell six starts for Ben Howard and we consider him better than Jarvis, but that's not saying much.

And I really don't know what we're arguing about here, it's getting no where.

Oh yeah, Wells is old, but I don't think someone who walked only 20 players last year is considered a scrub, considering that the stat alone tops that of our pitchers and those we've signed.

Well, you can call him a scrub because that's all the players KT basically signs, Lockhart, Valdes, Wright, etc.

**BatsareBugs** · 01-02-2004, 03:39 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

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NYJets37 said:
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Rag3vsW0rld said:
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NYJets37 said:
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Rag3vsW0rld said:
What are you talking about, he even said it that he didn't like how he was a spot starter/long reliever. Excuse me, but when he was made a starter by the Cardinals, he did well.

Hitchcock was a starter when he came up, will always be suited as a starter.

<hr /></blockquote>

LOL, he even said he didn't like being a spot starter/long reliever?

I'm sure he didn't, either would anyone else. There aren't players who are really good at that role, or are best fit for it. That is where bad starting pitchers on good teams pitch.

<hr /></blockquote>

If I could pull out the article from the UT when the Padres signed Hitchcock, he said that. Please, you only read stuff in NY and I ready stuff in SD, two different places, two different newspapers. Don't think I'm just coming up with @#$*.

And as for bad starting pitchers, so I'm guessing the Yanks starters are so good that aces and good pitchers on other ball clubs are their spot starters and long relievers?

Hitchcock being more successful as a starter with the Cards than being a spot starter/long reliever shows something that you are still denying.

<hr /></blockquote>

Alright, I guess you totally missed the point. Of course he said he's rather be a starter!! What do you think he'll say, "No, I only like to pitch when my team is down 10 runs. I like eating up innings and ruining my era. I'd rather pitch a couple times a year when my team is desperate than every 5 days." Any pitcher would put up better numbers in that situation. He pitched well for St. Louis, but so do a lot of guys who go to the NL in the middle of the season, and it's going to take a lot more than 6 starts to convince me that he is still a quality pitcher. His velocity is bad, and his location isn't good enough to overcome that. He is a shell of the pre-surgery Hitchcock.

<hr /></blockquote>

Which is what we need.

Hell six starts for Ben Howard and we consider him better than Jarvis, but that's not saying much.

And I really don't know what we're arguing about here, it's getting no where.

Oh yeah, Wells is old, but I don't think someone who walked only 20 players last year is considered a scrub, considering that the stat alone tops that of our pitchers and those we've signed.

Well, you can call him a scrub because that's all the players KT basically signs, Lockhart, Valdes, Wright, etc.

**BatsareBugs** · 01-02-2004, 03:39 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
NYJets37 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Rag3vsW0rld said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
NYJets37 said:
<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Rag3vsW0rld said:
What are you talking about, he even said it that he didn't like how he was a spot starter/long reliever. Excuse me, but when he was made a starter by the Cardinals, he did well.

Hitchcock was a starter when he came up, will always be suited as a starter.

<hr /></blockquote>

LOL, he even said he didn't like being a spot starter/long reliever?

I'm sure he didn't, either would anyone else. There aren't players who are really good at that role, or are best fit for it. That is where bad starting pitchers on good teams pitch.

<hr /></blockquote>

If I could pull out the article from the UT when the Padres signed Hitchcock, he said that. Please, you only read stuff in NY and I ready stuff in SD, two different places, two different newspapers. Don't think I'm just coming up with @#$*.

And as for bad starting pitchers, so I'm guessing the Yanks starters are so good that aces and good pitchers on other ball clubs are their spot starters and long relievers?

Hitchcock being more successful as a starter with the Cards than being a spot starter/long reliever shows something that you are still denying.

<hr /></blockquote>

Alright, I guess you totally missed the point. Of course he said he's rather be a starter!! What do you think he'll say, "No, I only like to pitch when my team is down 10 runs. I like eating up innings and ruining my era. I'd rather pitch a couple times a year when my team is desperate than every 5 days." Any pitcher would put up better numbers in that situation. He pitched well for St. Louis, but so do a lot of guys who go to the NL in the middle of the season, and it's going to take a lot more than 6 starts to convince me that he is still a quality pitcher. His velocity is bad, and his location isn't good enough to overcome that. He is a shell of the pre-surgery Hitchcock.

<hr /></blockquote>

Which is what we need.

Hell six starts for Ben Howard and we consider him better than Jarvis, but that's not saying much.

And I really don't know what we're arguing about here, it's getting no where.

Oh yeah, Wells is old, but I don't think someone who walked only 20 players last year is considered a scrub, considering that the stat alone tops that of our pitchers and those we've signed.

Well, you can call him a scrub because that's all the players KT basically signs, Lockhart, Valdes, Wright, etc.

**stolf1** · 01-02-2004, 05:08 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

I love the Padres and I think they will be O.K despite the Wells deal. I mean they are gettting a brand new park and David Wells is going to be the ace. Does anyone remember how bad David Wells was when he was the Chicago White Sox ace. He was a bust. However, I still think they will be O.K. PetCo is going to be a hitters park and the PADS will have good hitting Loretta,Giles,Nevin,Klesko and R.Hernadez are all good hitters. I think the friars will win alot of games 9-7 and such. Plus the bullpen is going to be good Whitsack,Beck,Hoffman and the guy from Japan. I think Nady and Greene may be studs. Peavy Lawerence and Eaton could all win 12-15. Wells will win 12 if he stays healthy. Hitchcock was O.K with the cards and she be a solid 5. I don't know but they could be the sleeper team. also K.Walker and B. Howard may turn out good in a pinch Remember the Angles and Flordia and 1998. I like this team I wish we had Maddux or Millwood but I still think the west could be won with these guys. Go Pads

**stolf1** · 01-02-2004, 05:08 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

I love the Padres and I think they will be O.K despite the Wells deal. I mean they are gettting a brand new park and David Wells is going to be the ace. Does anyone remember how bad David Wells was when he was the Chicago White Sox ace. He was a bust. However, I still think they will be O.K. PetCo is going to be a hitters park and the PADS will have good hitting Loretta,Giles,Nevin,Klesko and R.Hernadez are all good hitters. I think the friars will win alot of games 9-7 and such. Plus the bullpen is going to be good Whitsack,Beck,Hoffman and the guy from Japan. I think Nady and Greene may be studs. Peavy Lawerence and Eaton could all win 12-15. Wells will win 12 if he stays healthy. Hitchcock was O.K with the cards and she be a solid 5. I don't know but they could be the sleeper team. also K.Walker and B. Howard may turn out good in a pinch Remember the Angles and Flordia and 1998. I like this team I wish we had Maddux or Millwood but I still think the west could be won with these guys. Go Pads

**stolf1** · 01-02-2004, 05:08 AM

Re: Padres get David Wells

I love the Padres and I think they will be O.K despite the Wells deal. I mean they are gettting a brand new park and David Wells is going to be the ace. Does anyone remember how bad David Wells was when he was the Chicago White Sox ace. He was a bust. However, I still think they will be O.K. PetCo is going to be a hitters park and the PADS will have good hitting Loretta,Giles,Nevin,Klesko and R.Hernadez are all good hitters. I think the friars will win alot of games 9-7 and such. Plus the bullpen is going to be good Whitsack,Beck,Hoffman and the guy from Japan. I think Nady and Greene may be studs. Peavy Lawerence and Eaton could all win 12-15. Wells will win 12 if he stays healthy. Hitchcock was O.K with the cards and she be a solid 5. I don't know but they could be the sleeper team. also K.Walker and B. Howard may turn out good in a pinch Remember the Angles and Flordia and 1998. I like this team I wish we had Maddux or Millwood but I still think the west could be won with these guys. Go Pads

**BatsareBugs** · 01-02-2004, 01:45 PM

Re: Padres get David Wells

Actually, we won't know if Petco Park will be a hitter's park of pitcher's park. But with Boch saying the outfield will be dead (flyballs) because of the conditions, I think it might be more of a pitcher's park, something like Pac Bell is a way to put it since are both almost the same type, with a deep RF power alley.

The Wells deal won't really hurt the Padres since he's only guaranteed 1.5 million and that his salary depends on how he does with us, as opposed to Maddux wanting all his money guaranteed.

**BatsareBugs** · 01-02-2004, 01:45 PM

Re: Padres get David Wells

Actually, we won't know if Petco Park will be a hitter's park of pitcher's park. But with Boch saying the outfield will be dead (flyballs) because of the conditions, I think it might be more of a pitcher's park, something like Pac Bell is a way to put it since are both almost the same type, with a deep RF power alley.

The Wells deal won't really hurt the Padres since he's only guaranteed 1.5 million and that his salary depends on how he does with us, as opposed to Maddux wanting all his money guaranteed.

**BatsareBugs** · 01-02-2004, 01:45 PM

Re: Padres get David Wells

Actually, we won't know if Petco Park will be a hitter's park of pitcher's park. But with Boch saying the outfield will be dead (flyballs) because of the conditions, I think it might be more of a pitcher's park, something like Pac Bell is a way to put it since are both almost the same type, with a deep RF power alley.

The Wells deal won't really hurt the Padres since he's only guaranteed 1.5 million and that his salary depends on how he does with us, as opposed to Maddux wanting all his money guaranteed.

**rsox** · 01-02-2004, 01:52 PM

Re: Padres get David Wells

Hitchcock was very effective for the Cardinals last season, 5-1 in 6 starts,
in a way we are arguing over nothing, we don't know if Wells' back will make it out of spring training, and it does not really matter who gets the 5th starter job, Hitchcock or Valdes, neither is a suggnificant upgrade over the other.

**rsox** · 01-02-2004, 01:52 PM

Re: Padres get David Wells

Hitchcock was very effective for the Cardinals last season, 5-1 in 6 starts,
in a way we are arguing over nothing, we don't know if Wells' back will make it out of spring training, and it does not really matter who gets the 5th starter job, Hitchcock or Valdes, neither is a suggnificant upgrade over the other.

Padres get David Wells

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