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Re: 2013 Regular Season Awards
Check Cabrera's and Donaldson's WAR, that's how. And those are OVERALL, not defensive. In fact, how could you say in one sentence that Holliday and those guys are bad defenders and in another sentence say those numbers represent DEFENSIVE WAR. If that were the case, then wouldn't those guys be GOOD defenders?Last edited by 1stpitchhacker; 10-15-2013, 09:51 PM.Comment
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Check Cabrera's and Donaldson's WAR, that's how. And those are OVERALL, not defensive. In fact, how could you say in one sentence that Holliday and those guys are bad defenders and in another sentence say those numbers represent DEFENSIVE WAR. If that were the case, then wouldn't those guys be GOOD defenders?
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Beltan's overall is a 2.0. His defensive war brings down his offensive war and gives him that number.
Forgot to add baserunning, and position.Last edited by DamnYanks2; 10-15-2013, 10:04 PM.Comment
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I see but I think what our Yankee friend was getting at was that in some cases people use WAR to backup their arguments and in others (Donaldson vs. Cabrera) they go back to the old conventional stats. I'm not a proponent of one or the other, but if you're gonna use WAR (not YOU specifically but people) then use it consistently or admit its flawed.
Chase Headly WAR - 3.4
Matt Holliday - 2.7
Carlos Beltran - 2.4
Allen Craig - 2.3
Chris Johnson - 2.0
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If Beltran's overall WAR is 2.0 and his defensive WAR is 2.4, that would mean he had terrible offensive numbers.Comment
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His defensive war was -1.5. Do you understand. So combine his offensive and defensive war with fielding position and baserunning and that gives him an overall of 2.4. YComment
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I don't know what the heck happened in this thread.
WAR is a decent component to value a player. I do think one thing that can tend to get overvalued is defensive WAR.
However, if anything, WAR is teaching us other things than batting average, homeruns and RBI's matter in determining how good a player is. For instance, look at Juan Gonzalez. Monster homerun and RBI totals, won MVP's. Both were not even close to be deserving.7 National Championships
43 Conference Championships
152 All-Americans
5 Heisman Trophy Winners
#1 in weeks ranked #1 in AP Poll
#1 in weeks ranked top 5 in AP Poll
#1 in wins/winning percentage since 1946
Oklahoma Sooners, Boomer Sooner!Comment
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No man, Beltran's OWAR was 3.2 which is above average, and definitely goes hand in hand with his 2013 statline. Had a decent season offensively.
His defensive war was -1.5. Do you understand. So combine his offensive and defensive war with fielding position and baserunning and that gives him an overall of 2.4. YComment
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Where did you get those numbers, because I don't know where you got Beltran's?Comment
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I don't know what the heck happened in this thread.
WAR is a decent component to value a player. I do think one thing that can tend to get overvalued is defensive WAR.
However, if anything, WAR is teaching us other things than batting average, homeruns and RBI's matter in determining how good a player is. For instance, look at Juan Gonzalez. Monster homerun and RBI totals, won MVP's. Both were not even close to be deserving.Comment
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Because you confused the hell out of me. You put his OVERALL WAR IN PLACE OF HIS DEFENSIVE WAR, so that confused me. I'm guessing you got those numbers from espn.com or baseball reference, because that's what I was lookin at.Comment
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What do you mean IN PLACE OF? And I did get them from espn but they're relatively all the same from all WAR sources in terms of player rankings by WAR.Comment
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Because I'm a ****ing idiot that's why, I was looking at the wrong thing, not you.Comment
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