2014 OS HOF Voting

[DrJones]

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Smoltz will make it, but not on the first ballot.

[DamnYanks2]

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Gotta say, kind of disappointed Maddux didn't get a unanimous selection on OS either. And Bagwell is just underrated, had he played his career in Boston, it would have been a much different story. If you play for the Astros your doomed it seems.

[OSUFan_88]

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I think Smoltz should make it first ballot, and I think BBWAA will probably do it too because of other circumstances.

For one, Smoltz has a lot of the lazy stats locked up. 200+ Wins, 150+ Saves, and fantastic ERA for his era (yes, I know, ERA+ but since BBWAA doesn't want to use this evil stat...)

In all honesty, looking at it, there is little doubt he should get in. Impressive WHIP, very good ERA+ (that 2003 season, good lord), 3000 strikeouts...great resume.

Add all that in with being a guy whom everyone likes, I think Smoltz is going to squeeze in there. And I think Biggio will be just short once again.

My biggest question on next year is, can Pedro and Johnson top Maddux? I think there is no doubt Pedro should be a unanimous vote, but they won't be. Johnson will probably hover around 90% or so.

[Chip Douglass]

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My biggest question on next year is, can Pedro and Johnson top Maddux? I think there is no doubt Pedro should be a unanimous vote, but they won't be. Johnson will probably hover around 90% or so.

I think you're being too optimistic on Pedro. The fact that he only won 219 games will be held against him.

Johnson will get 90%+ of the vote though.

[OSUFan_88]

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I think you're being too optimistic on Pedro. The fact that he only won 219 games will be held against him.

Johnson will get 90%+ of the vote though.

I'd be honestly STUNNED if Pedro doesn't stay around the Maddux mark. I don't know how anyone could watch him and not say the guy was a clear cut hall of fame pitcher.

[redsrule]

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Johnson should get 100%. It obviously won't happen though.

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[DrJones]

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I think Smoltz should make it first ballot, and I think BBWAA will probably do it too because of other circumstances.

For one, Smoltz has a lot of the lazy stats locked up. 200+ Wins, 150+ Saves, and fantastic ERA for his era (yes, I know, ERA+ but since BBWAA doesn't want to use this evil stat...)

In all honesty, looking at it, there is little doubt he should get in. Impressive WHIP, very good ERA+ (that 2003 season, good lord), 3000 strikeouts...great resume.

Add all that in with being a guy whom everyone likes, I think Smoltz is going to squeeze in there. And I think Biggio will be just short once again.

My biggest question on next year is, can Pedro and Johnson top Maddux? I think there is no doubt Pedro should be a unanimous vote, but they won't be. Johnson will probably hover around 90% or so.

Schilling has more wins, more strikeouts, a higher winning percentage, a better ERA+, more rings, and considerably better WAR than Smoltz. Both are Hall of Famers in my book, but you really think Smoltz will get 75% in his first crack while Schilling sits around 30%?

I think Johnson will get more votes than Pedro (both will top 90%, but neither will reach Maddux' total), and Biggio will get in next year.

[OSUFan_88]

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Schilling has more wins, more strikeouts, a higher winning percentage, a better ERA+, more rings, and considerably better WAR than Smoltz. Both are Hall of Famers in my book, but you really think Smoltz will get 75% in his first crack while Schilling sits around 30%?

I think Johnson will get more votes than Pedro (both will top 90%, but neither will reach Maddux' total), and Biggio will get in next year.

I think you are severely underrating the nice guy factor, or the ******* factor with Schilling.

[Travis40]

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Jon Heyman is a hypocritical moron. Here's his reaction to Ken Gurnick only voting for Jack Morris:

ken gurnick has earned right to vote after decades as baseball writer. disagreeing is fine, but he doesnt deserve abuse.— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) January 7, 2014

And then today, after he found out that Dan Le Batard had sold his ballot to Deadspin, and exposed how messed up the HOF voting is:

Shame on the santimonious attention seeker who turned his vote over to a website. #sad
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeymanCBS) January 8, 2014

[DrJones]

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I think you are severely underrating the nice guy factor, or the ******* factor with Schilling.

I guess so. Even I have trouble believing a full 50% of BBWAA voters will vote for Smoltz but not for Schilling strictly due to likability.

[Blzer]

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What position a player plays has to be a major factor…it really determines a lot of a guy's value. If Jeff Kent spent his career playing RF he's really not that special…but being a 2B made him extremely valuable. He wasn't a Sandberg/Alomar type with the glove, but he was good enough to play most of his career at 2B. He leads all 2B in HR and RBI…I don't see how he's not a HOF'r, but I don't think he's the biggest slam dunk ever.

That's exactly my point. I'm not saying he was some terrible second baseman or he wasn't of value there, but I think that just because he's a second baseman he's automatically thrown into a stereotype of how second baseman should be or are supposed to be or something, and since he went above and beyond that he's probably receiving more credit than he should. I see him more as a "power hitter who happens to play second base," not the other way around.

Other positions are sort of different, namely pitchers, catchers, first basemen, and designated players. The former two have such a diverse devotion to their defensive positions (or rather their value is more found in their positions as a whole) that many of them are willing to sacrifice offensive prowess for it, while the latter two might sacrifice defensive prowess to be an offensive threat for the same reason. And again, I'm not saying that we have some sluggish and crappy first basemen out there, but if you're role-playing on a team and you have a slugger on the bench who is more than capable of fielding the ball, you're more than likely going to find a spot for him and 1B or DP is going to be one of them.

[SPTO]

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Smoltz will make it, but not on the first ballot.

I agree with this.

Jon Heyman is a hypocritical moron. Here's his reaction to Ken Gurnick only voting for Jack Morris:

And then today, after he found out that Dan Le Batard had sold his ballot to Deadspin, and exposed how messed up the HOF voting is:

Yeah there's a fine line between making a distinction and being hypocritical. I'm not exactly sure where this falls but I can see Heyman thinking "OK, a voter has the right to screw up his ballot anyway he wants to so long as he actually does it". This is different than being so blase about the process that you just go and sell your ballot to a website. It's kind of like the idea that you can spoil your ballot in an election but it'd be kind of wrong to just (if it's possible) sell said ballot to some other guy to do your vote.

Again, not making a judgment but trying to see things from Heyman's perspective. BTW I love MLB-N. I finally put a face to the man!


On a separate topic relating to the HOF. I think Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter have a great chance at being the first ever player to get 100% from the writers.

[lhslancers]

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I agree with this.



Yeah there's a fine line between making a distinction and being hypocritical. I'm not exactly sure where this falls but I can see Heyman thinking "OK, a voter has the right to screw up his ballot anyway he wants to so long as he actually does it". This is different than being so blase about the process that you just go and sell your ballot to a website. It's kind of like the idea that you can spoil your ballot in an election but it'd be kind of wrong to just (if it's possible) sell said ballot to some other guy to do your vote.

Again, not making a judgment but trying to see things from Heyman's perspective. BTW I love MLB-N. I finally put a face to the man!


On a separate topic relating to the HOF. I think Mariano Rivera or Derek Jeter have a great chance at being the first ever player to get 100% from the writers.

I would think not. Jeter was good don't get me wrong but was fortunate to play with a lot of great players for a long time. Alex was better.
Not sure if it was on the Fan or ESPN yesterday but I heard an interview with Gossage and he was asked about Lee Smith and Rivera came up in the conversation. He said you can't compare the roles that guys like he had and what the current day closers have. He said that he would have been as dominating as Rivera if he only had to come in with the bases empty and only get three outs. Other guys of his day would have been equally as dominating too. The longer you're retired the better you were I guess.

[SPTO]

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I would think not. Jeter was good don't get me wrong but was fortunate to play with a lot of great players for a long time. Alex was better.

I wasn't basing that on my personal feelings on Jeter. Lord knows he wasn't the best defensive shortstop ever but the man has the GQ/media darling thing going for him that if there's anyone out there that can conceivably get 100% it's Jeter.

[ImTellinTim]

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He didn't sell his vote, just to be clear. A lot of these other writers commenting on the whole situation clearly didn't even read the post on Deadspin.