MLB Off-Topic

[DamnYanks2]

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There is absolutely no way that the MLB would go out of their way to deaden the balls if they didn’t go out of their way to juice them to begin with.

They wouldn’t ever say: “Well y’all, I can promise you we didn’t juice the balls, but to not hurt your feelings we’ll go ahead and deaden them for you.”

But by deadening them, let’s be real... it’s taken just a couple of feet off the overall flight. We’re not back to where we were in 2016 or whenever, not even close.

I honestly think Manfred and those in charge should be held accountable for whatever the hell they have been doing.

They had the witch hunt for steroids and destroyed these guys lives, and shamed them publicly. Now they are all about finding pitchers using substances on the ball?

But these mother****ers have literally been experimenting with altering the ball. Why is that ok?

And clearly there is some collusion with the umpires calling pitches 2 inches off the plate. Because it's never been this bad.

I really don't love baseball like I did anymore. Something I'm coming to grips with. It's hard. But this isn't baseball anymore. The game feels condensed now. It's baseball-lite. Obviously I still watch. But man it's not the same.







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[canes21]

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Manfred is just messing with his sliders during the season instead of getting them ironed out before it.

[countryboy]

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I don't think strike zones have drastically changed. I think the fact that there is a box on screen and every broadcast has a 3D model of the strike zone they show after every "questionable" pitch has led to more and more fans, players, managers, and media personnel to think that umpires are worse at calling balls and strikes than a few years ago.

[Majingir]

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I don't think strike zones have drastically changed. I think the fact that there is a box on screen and every broadcast has a 3D model of the strike zone they show after every "questionable" pitch has led to more and more fans, players, managers, and media personnel to think that umpires are worse at calling balls and strikes than a few years ago.

That's part of it, but that also goes to show why we need some form of an electronic strikezone.

High and low pitches are subjective.

Inside and outside pitches should be standard. Either the ball crosses the plate or it doesn't. And from the strikezone we see on TV, the one thing we can agree with is that the strikezone that is shown is accurate when it comes to inside outside pitches since it covers the plate.

I do wonder what umpiring would be like if its 50/50. Human umps determine if its high or low, robot tells them if it's over the plate (so if something beeps, it means it's over the plate). So umps can focus more on one part of their job, so perhaps they'll be more accurate with that part.

[countryboy]

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That's part of it, but that also goes to show why we need some form of an electronic strikezone.

High and low pitches are subjective.

Inside and outside pitches should be standard. Either the ball crosses the plate or it doesn't. And from the strikezone we see on TV, the one thing we can agree with is that the strikezone that is shown is accurate when it comes to inside outside pitches since it covers the plate.

I do wonder what umpiring would be like if its 50/50. Human umps determine if its high or low, robot tells them if it's over the plate (so if something beeps, it means it's over the plate). So umps can focus more on one part of their job, so perhaps they'll be more accurate with that part.

We don’t need electronic strike zones.

Players today need to learn to adjust to the zone being called just like players from years ago had to.

I guarantee if striking out was frowned upon today like it used to be players would adjust.

But nobody cares how much you strikeout so long as you occasionally belt a baseball 400+ feet

If broadcast didn’t show the “zone” this wouldn’t be an overblown topic of discussion like it is


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[reyes the roof]

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The only issue I have with the strike zone is when there is inconsistency. If you’re calling a low strike or a wide strike zone, call it all game

[Speedy]

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I don't see the issue with getting correct the most egregious thing in baseball today, bad strike zone calls.

[countryboy]

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I don't see the issue with getting correct the most egregious thing in baseball today, bad strike zone calls.

I can think of plenty of other things within the game today that are worse that bad strike zone calls.

And its funny people complain about the new rules put into place saying, that's not baseball, but yet are all for electronics replacing the human element of the game, which the sport grew up on.

EDIT: That last comment isn't directed at you, just a general observation comment.

[DamnYanks2]

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The only issue I have with the strike zone is when there is inconsistency. If you’re calling a low strike or a wide strike zone, call it all game

This. Call the same ****. How hard is that. Be consistent. I watched so many games this year and it's just been all over the place.

If you call a little bit off the outside then hitters have to adjust. That's fine. But when nobody knows where the hell you are gonna call the next pitch. Hitters can't adjust. And that's garbage.

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[ubernoob]

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We don’t need electronic strike zones.

Players today need to learn to adjust to the zone being called just like players from years ago had to.

I guarantee if striking out was frowned upon today like it used to be players would adjust.

But nobody cares how much you strikeout so long as you occasionally belt a baseball 400+ feet

If broadcast didn’t show the “zone” this wouldn’t be an overblown topic of discussion like it is

I think you absolutely mean well here, but you couldn't be more wrong and just shows that you don't understand why we are where we are in baseball today.

I'll start this one back in the steroid era for fun. MLB profited insanely off of that and threw it's players under the bus. Nobody should argue that, and **** the MLB they're a **** organization that leaves it to players to police their game so they look like the bad guys.

But basically batters got insanely better in the steroid era. They loaded up on gear (figuratively and literally) and started standing on top of the plate because their protectors are in place. This takes away east to west pitching. The only thing to do now is to miss bats. Pitching to contact is dumb, BABIP is random and there's very little you can do as a pitcher to influence it. But hey if you want Bonds to hit it and leave it to the gods, that's on you.

So because of the rise of batters standing on the plate with all this protective equipment on, the preferred way to pitch now is a lot of filthy breaking stuff with a 95+ heater. You won't see players throwing 90-91 dotting the corners being heralded. It's not how baseball works in this offensive environment. Mike Trout would destroy him, because also the baseball has been changed (due to incompetence from the MLB, not maliciousness.)

Pitchers are now missing bats, throwing sliders that start in the strike zone and end up in the dugout. A slow fastball is 98. What do you do as a hitter? Odds are you aren't going to string hits together. You have to hit home runs, and to hit home runs strikeouts are going to come with it. A strikeout is better than grounding into a double play. The pitchers don't care about walking you, because they'll strike out the next guy. The advent of the breaking ball and filthy stuff is here. So is the power hitter, because a bunch of Ichiros aren't going to win you a world series in this offensive environment.

Well the ball being juiced meant pitchers were giving up too many HRs, so they got filthier stuff to grip the ball with. It's a vicious cycle, but it's absolutely nothing new in baseball.

This **** happened 100 years ago with the spitball, and surprise surprise the players that got grandfathered in and were allowed to use spitballs while everyone else were banned got their careers turned around and a few made the hall of fame after it.

I can watch an Angel Hernandez game without the K Zone showing and tell you how awful it is. And the genie is out of the bottle, the K Zone isn't going away.

"Fans were better when they were dumber and believed that umps knew what they were doing" is not a good excuse to use.

[countryboy]

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I think you absolutely mean well here, but you couldn't be more wrong and just shows that you don't understand why we are where we are in baseball today.

No point in continuing to read after this.

You can disagree and/or counter my opinion, but don't insult with me the bs "I think you absolutely mean well here....."

IDGAF if you have a green name or not, if you can't be more tactful in responding to my opinions/comments then bypass them all together.

Thanks

[Master Live 013]

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"Human element" aka the umpire getting it wrong. If the electronic strikezone can be incorporated in a seemless way (earpiece to the umpire, near instantaneous call from the computer to the umpire) then I'm not going to support preserving wrong calls in the name of tradition.

[ubernoob]

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No point in continuing to read after this.

You can disagree and/or counter my opinion, but don't insult with me the bs "I think you absolutely mean well here....."

IDGAF if you have a green name or not, if you can't be more tactful in responding to my opinions/comments then bypass them all together.

Thanks

Alright keep complaining about umpires and the K Zone being why baseball is where it is today.

[countryboy]

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"Human element" aka the umpire getting it wrong. If the electronic strikezone can be incorporated in a seemless way (earpiece to the umpire, near instantaneous call from the computer to the umpire) then I'm not going to support preserving wrong calls in the name of tradition.

I think supporting it for the sake of correcting "wrong" calls is painting it too black and white.

Each individual umpire having his own take on the strike zone, without deviating to extreme measures obviously, is one of the nuances of the sport that make it unique.

And by automating the strike zone you take away from the pitchers who could paint the black and then maybe extend that strike zone by a half a baseball or whole baseball by continuing to be pinpoint in accuracy on the corners.

I don't want to see good hitters have the bat taken out of their hand by a horrendous call, but I also don't want to penalize good pitchers who have the ability to stretch a strike zone slightly because they have great command on any given night.

[Master Live 013]

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"Stretch" as in inducing the umpire to make the wrong call? I prefer accuracy & precision over that. Also, it might basically end "framing" from catchers too. No more "stealing strikes".