MLB Off-Topic

[Majingir]

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Lol. I await the day they put the protective netting in front of the pitcher lol.

Only if it follows baseball dartboard rules.

The entire netting has various outcomes. Single, double, triple, out. If the ball hits any one of those parts, that's the result of the play.

[Majingir]

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That's exactly how it should be. Challenge and result within a few seconds. They seem to be using the same system that is used in tennis which imo is the best system in sports.

The way it'd work is the player at the plate (I guess pitchers can't challenge?) must challenge immediately. The automated replay shows up on the big screen with the result.

I wonder if the MLB does this for a few seasons before going fully into the robot umps? Or do they skip challenges and go straight to robot umps? Or do challenges but don't do robot umps?

[Blzer]

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Need to hear more parameters (how often, can pitchers do it, penalty if incorrect, etc.), but given certain limitations this is the only compromise I'm willing to have that is not full robot umpires.

[Majingir]

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Need to hear more parameters (how often, can pitchers do it, penalty if incorrect, etc.), but given certain limitations this is the only compromise I'm willing to have that is not full robot umpires.

From what I read, it's 3 challenges per team.

Successful challenge obviously results in the pitch being overturned, and the team keeps their challenge.

Unsuccessful challenge means a team loses that challenge. That's really about it.

If a single batter wants to use multiple challenges in an AB he can (but face the wrath of his coach if at least 1 of those is wrong).

I didn't hear if pitchers can challenge too. I'd hope they can.

[dubcity]

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Baseball should either just go all automated with the strike zone, or don't bother with these half pregnant approaches. I would rather the ump have a watch or device that tells him what's a ball or a strike for every pitch, than go down the road of challenges and arguing balls and strikes near constantly. The challenge system of replays is such a dumb implementation of replay tech in sports.

[countryboy]

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Baseball should either just go all automated with the strike zone, or don't bother with these half pregnant approaches. I would rather the ump have a watch or device that tells him what's a ball or a strike for every pitch, than go down the road of challenges and arguing balls and strikes near constantly. The challenge system of replays is such a dumb implementation of replay tech in sports.

Having seen it in action in minor league games, there are a limited number of challenges allowed (I don't recall the number) and when a challenge is initiated, the entire process is over in a matter of seconds.

[Majingir]

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Having seen it in action in minor league games, there are a limited number of challenges allowed (I don't recall the number) and when a challenge is initiated, the entire process is over in a matter of seconds.

That's why I like the system a lot. Tennis does challenges better than anyone, it's over in seconds. Hockey does it the worst it takes minutes, sometimes the result of a game gets held up because they're reviewing a challenge.

Once people see how quick it is to review challenges, they won't mind it as much. Picturing a single pitch taking 30+ seconds to be reviewed is scary, but if it just takes 10 seconds, that's fine.

Although, I also wonder how this changes an umps strike zone. Let's say they call a strike below the knees, you challenge, win, it's changed to a ball. Next batter or few pitches later for same batter the pitch is in the same spot also called a strike. Are you just gonna keep challenging and winning for the same pitch?

We know diff umps have diff strike zones, some consistently call pitches in a certain spot a ball or strike when the strike zone says otherwise.

[Majingir]

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Random fact I saw on tv.

MLB goes through approximately 900,000 balls in a season.

Averages out to 185 per game?

Obviously foul balls don't get reused, hits, outs, strikeouts, walks all get taken out of play too (and resold). But 185 still seems high.

[DrJones]

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Random fact I saw on tv.

MLB goes through approximately 900,000 balls in a season.

Averages out to 185 per game?

Obviously foul balls don't get reused, hits, outs, strikeouts, walks all get taken out of play too (and resold). But 185 still seems high.

Is there an actual source for that 900,000? I've seen that figure bandied about before, but all from clickbait-type sites that never actually say where that number comes from. I've also never seen it specified whether that's counting official balls used in regular season games only, practice, Spring Training, sold via retail, etc.

Also, you're double-counting games. There are 2430 games in a regular season. 900,000 divided by 2430 is 370 balls per game. That sounds way, way too high.

BTW, here's an Athletic article from a couple years ago where the writer counts the number of balls used in a random Cleveland/Detroit game, and it's 115.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/332...aseballs-used/

[Majingir]

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Is there an actual source for that 900,000? I've seen that figure bandied about before, but all from clickbait-type sites that never actually say where that number comes from. I've also never seen it specified whether that's counting official balls used in regular season games only, practice, Spring Training, sold via retail, etc.



Also, you're double-counting games. There are 2430 games in a regular season. 900,000 divided by 2430 is 370 balls per game. That sounds way, way too high.



BTW, here's an Athletic article from a couple years ago where the writer counts the number of balls used in a random Cleveland/Detroit game, and it's 115.



https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/332...aseballs-used/

I saw it on tv during one of those "best of the month" kinds of shows on a sports channel. The network very well could've just gotten the number the same way others see it. First google search that comes up is an unverified source saying 900000, so maybe that's where they got their info?

I saw other sources saying more like up to 120 per game. That feels more realistic to say 300,000 balls used a year.

The article saying 900,000 claims it doesn't include BP, but maybe it actually does? Or maybe their data included BP and/or ST?

[l3ulvl]

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That's why I like the system a lot. Tennis does challenges better than anyone, it's over in seconds. Hockey does it the worst it takes minutes, sometimes the result of a game gets held up because they're reviewing a challenge.

Tennis doesn't always use the system, we just got through a French open with multiple questionable calls determined by the chair ump climbing down and checking the spot on the clay, the challenger of the call can pretty much point to any spot on the court if he or she chooses, and the chair ump goes by the spot they were directed to, and decides if it was in or out



i agree with what you mean about the hawkeye system in general, I'm just spewing my general gripe about the French open not using it lol

[DrJones]

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Tennis doesn't always use the system, we just got through a French open with multiple questionable calls determined by the chair ump climbing down and checking the spot on the clay, the challenger of the call can pretty much point to any spot on the court if he or she chooses, and the chair ump goes by the spot they were directed to, and decides if it was in or out



i agree with what you mean about the hawkeye system in general, I'm just spewing my general gripe about the French open not using it lol

Supposedly there's some question as to whether HawkEye is as accurate on clay as it is on grass and hard. Kind of a weird system right now where the Aussie and US Opens use HawkEye automatically for every call, Wimbledon still uses the challenge system, and Roland Garros not at all. Last I heard, all four Slams are going to fully automatic line calls in 2025, but I'm not sure if that's still the case.

[Majingir]

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The Hawkeye system isn't perfect, but it's still better than ones we see elsewhere.

I haven't seen a tennis challenge last 5-10 minutes.

And the strike zone will be similar to tennis lines where it's fixed lines. You have a problem, the replay challenge will show the fixed lines and exactly where the ball ended up.

[Majingir]

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And so it begins..

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-umpire-pat-hoberg-reportedly-disciplined-for-gambling-violation-225439586.html

No way he's the only ump who bets on stuff.

What if Angel Hernandez retiring was due to an investigation of umps gambling so he quit before they were allowed to investigate him?

[Ghost Of The Year]

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And so it begins..

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-umpire-pat-hoberg-reportedly-disciplined-for-gambling-violation-225439586.html

No way he's the only ump who bets on stuff.

What if Angel Hernandez retiring was due to an investigation of umps gambling so he quit before they were allowed to investigate him?

When it comes to gambling, MLB executives have zero credibility with me ever since they hopped in the sack for a romp in the hay with Big Gamble. If MLB wants the integrity it desires, it has to cut all official ties. It doesn't have to take any other stand than that one single thing as not accepting monies from any gambling affiliate, and must not endorse any gambling affiliate. I see nothing wrong with fans making money off betting, but if MLB makes even one red cent with deals to Big Gamble, thats one penny too much.