MLB Off-Topic

[DamnYanks2]

Re: MLB Off-Topic

Not to mention MLB completely shot themselves in the foot multiple times with all the lockouts and then the game was getting healthy again.

And then we had the cloud of the steroid scandal over baseball, that set it back again, they've really been playing with fire, when it comes to their fanbase.

I believe this is the healthiest baseball has been in a long time, hopefully Manfred doesn't screw that up.

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[SPTO]

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I believe this is the healthiest baseball has been in a long time, hopefully Manfred doesn't screw that up.

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I remember reading an article a couple years ago saying that MLB is the healthiest its been in 30 years. They're completely rolling in dough thanks to the regional networks. The numbers aren't the greatest on national TV but in stadium attendance and the revenues from regional networks are exploding.

[kehlis]

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Because people like offense.
NBA, you want to see these highlight reel dunks. NFL you want to see touchdowns. NHL you want to see goals(something they've lacked in past 20 years and it's hurting them). And MLB people want to see home runs.

That's just how it is. Casuals don't care about complete game shutouts or things like that.

You're putting way too much stalk in "what casuals want."

Casuals want their local team to win. A casual Tampa Bay fan could care less if Sammy Sosa is belting homeruns left and right.


DamnYankee hit it on the head. It's not that they aren't gaining enough casuals, it's that they are losing too many who were loyal. There are many reasons for that.

Focusing on what casual fans want though it completely backwards. They're referred to as being casual because that what they are and always will be no matter what rule changes are put in place.

It's actually marketing 101. You have to find a way to attract a new loyal fanbase without sacrificing your current loyal customer. You don't focus on casuals because they aren't what makes your business.

[DamnYanks2]

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I remember reading an article a couple years ago saying that MLB is the healthiest its been in 30 years. They're completely rolling in dough thanks to the regional networks. The numbers aren't the greatest on national TV but in stadium attendance and the revenues from regional networks are exploding.

It should be, this is the most exciting group of young talent I can ever remember. There is an embarrassment of riches.

If MLB markets this group correctly, we see a few rivalries spark up again, and they continue to expand globally, I truly believe the MLB will gain serious ground on the NFL, they won't catch them, and they don't need too, but they can get closer.

If they built a stadium, and introduced a team with modest ticket prices in Japan or Mexico, I believe that would really pique interest even more.

Cuba would be ideal, but that will never happen for obvious reasons.



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[Money99]

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I remember reading an article a couple years ago saying that MLB is the healthiest its been in 30 years. They're completely rolling in dough thanks to the regional networks. The numbers aren't the greatest on national TV but in stadium attendance and the revenues from regional networks are exploding.

Agreed.

And I think it was Selig that said in the 70's if you got more than 1M fans thru the gates you were a genius.
Now we see multiple teams with 3M+.

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[CMH]

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We just need to show every pitch two extra times, once from a different angle and once in slow motion like the NFL to convince people they aren't doing that already [emoji38]

This is honestly the most real way to keep attention spans. The NFL example is perfect.

I don't necessarily mind watching the pitcher look into the stands and adjust his hat, but often I want to see a pitch again. See it move. Or hear more analysis of it.

It would probably do some good to have guys spend those moments doing exactly that. Take away from the lack of action by creating action.

And analysis is something people crave.

[WaitTilNextYear]

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How about a picture-in-picture of a circus bear riding a bicycle at all times action isn't taking place? That might keep people engrossed.

[Blzer]

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Yeah I think the more upsetting thing is the attention span of Millenials.

Go watch your Harlem Shake videos and don't let your ADHD affect my sport!

[Majingir]

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Like it or not, the next generation are the ones that MLB needs to target. It's no secret MLB has an older fanbase compared to the other major pro sports leagues, but those older fans aren't exactly gonna be tuning out after watching for decades because pitchers have to throw pitches sooner, or batters aren't allowed to stop out of the batters box.

For new/casual fans though, they're more likely to tune in if the game feels faster and happens in 2.5hrs compared to over 3 hours. You have to evolve with the times. Can't expect an entirely new generation of fans to like something mostly the same way it was when people in 70s and 80s watched and even before that.

So I think the pros do outweigh the cons in this situation.

[kehlis]

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Like it or not, the next generation are the ones that MLB needs to target. It's no secret MLB has an older fanbase compared to the other major pro sports leagues, but those older fans aren't exactly gonna be tuning out after watching for decades because pitchers have to throw pitches sooner, or batters aren't allowed to stop out of the batters box.

For new/casual fans though, they're more likely to tune in if the game feels faster and happens in 2.5hrs compared to over 3 hours. You have to evolve with the times. Can't expect an entirely new generation of fans to like something mostly the same way it was when people in 70s and 80s watched and even before that.

So I think the pros do outweigh the cons in this situation.

You're stating this as fact.

Can you share with us the evidence you have that backs this up?

Remember, stating ratings along with your conjecture as to why is not a fact.

[Majingir]

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I'm stating it using logic. People who have been watching something for decades, would they really suddenly tune out of something they passionately followed for so long, just because of some changes to the game? And one of the things constantly said not just in baseball but in other sports is how they want to improve on pace of play and how younger generation would be more interested if games don't go on forever.

As for facts about the fanbase such as age and younger peoples opinions:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/12/baseb...es-linger.html

[kehlis]

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I'm stating it using logic. People who have been watching something for decades, would they really suddenly tune out of something they passionately followed for so long, just because of some changes to the game? And one of the things constantly said not just in baseball but in other sports is how they want to improve on pace of play and how younger generation would be more interested if games don't go on forever.

As for facts about the fanbase such as age and younger peoples opinions:
http://www.cnbc.com/2015/07/12/baseb...es-linger.html

You're using an editorial that's a few years old?

The article even says that in 2015 the MLB generated an all time high revenue.

[Majingir]

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That's like 1.5 years old.....How much exactly do you think things have changed since then?

Baseballs average age hasn't dropped by 5-10 years in that short timespan, and casual/younger fans opinions haven't really changed in that short span either.

[kehlis]

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That's like 1.5 years old.....How much exactly do you think things have changed since then?

Baseballs average age hasn't dropped by 5-10 years in that short timespan, and casual/younger fans opinions haven't really changed in that short span either.

I don't think it's changed at all, per the article, they achieved an all time high in revenue in 2015.

I haven't seen anything in the last few years that have changed that. The opinion part is about baseball not being able to overcome it's age. Can you quantify that? Based on that article the results overrule the opinion.

[Majingir]

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Basically every league is posting highs in revenue though aren't they? Doesn't necessarily mean league is better quality now than in the past. Dollar for example could just be stronger now than before(one of reasons why guys get paid so much now compared to even 5-10 years ago).

It's not just baseball or sports, all companies all over the place want to try and appeal to younger people because they know that's the next group of people who'll impact them.

This is from 2015,but still, look at numbers in terms of people age 20-30 compared to 30-40 or 40-50,50-60 and so on, that 20-30 group does seem to be the biggest. So wouldn't that be one of the main demographics you want to reach?

http://d140q24ubocq3n.cloudfront.net/wp-content/blogs.dir/11/files/2016/06/Chart-1.png

Even on a global scale

http://www.indexmundi.com/graphs/population-pyramids/world-population-pyramid-2016.gif

Lots more people aged 10-29 than 30-49 or 50-69.