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Thank tits.
Thank tits.
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I don't know how much credit I can give Cashman for the first the 1998-2000 titles. Gene Michael built that team and Bob Watson completed his work; Cashman took over a dynasty. Sure, he added Clemens, but most of his moves didn't work out that great after 2000. The 2009 title he literally bought every big FA name in the 2008 offseason (Burnett, Tex, CC).
IMO, if you are the Yankees and you have the resources they have, you absolutely should be competing every single year. They just haven't done that, especially the past decade. This doesn't mean Cashman isn't a good GM, but I think it's hard to tell how good he is given how many resources he has at his disposal. I think this is where the overrated term gets throw around.
Someone said he's a top 5 GM for sure; well, I'd hope so...the list of current GM's is pretty sad to be honest. GM's I'd put above him over the last 20 years: Dombrowski, Epstein, Schuerholz, Beane, Dayton Moore, Brian Sabean, and Andrew Friedman."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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Yeah, and Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl with Jimmy Johnson's players. Does that mean he's a better coach than Paul Brown or Marv Levy or Don Coryell? If so, then this discussion is over, you win.
The entirety of your argument provided was adding 3 decent players for almost free. Cashing in on them is great, but there's no mention of his atrocious track record with pitchers. Javier Vazquez, Carl Pavano, Kevin Brown, Kei Igawa, Ted Lilly, Sonny Gray, I can go on. Turning Chapman into Gleyber earned the Cubs a WS win. Yankees have won a single playoff series since then and 2 WC games. That'd be fantastic if he was in Cincinnati, but he's not. The expectations are much higher, and he hasn't delivered the goods except for 2009, which was an admittedly great roster.
The guy has every advantage that anyone in pro baseball could want- a compelling place to play, an iconic brand, more money than anyone, and all the authority anyone could want in running a team and has built 1 WS with his own design. I don't count those 90s ones, they were already built for him. All he did was put the frosting on the cake. As I said before, if not getting fleeced in trades and inheriting stacked rosters is all it takes to be a top-notch GM, then he is one. If your standard is contending every single year, then his results have been average. Probably below average if you consider all the advantages he has that guys who work elsewhere (outside of several places) don't have.Last edited by rkwittem; 03-30-2019, 07:49 PM.Comment
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didnt know where to put this, & it may already be known in these circles, if you have Roku on your smart tv, you can catch MLB Network on Gade TV. I have MLB on my DirecTv in the den, but in my game room its only Roku. of course, who knows how long Gade TV will carry it, is anyones guessOSFM23 - Building Better Baseball - OSFM23
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Cashman has too many things working against him. He doesn't have the underdog story that will let him get away with never winning a a championship like a Billy Beane or Andrew Friedman. It's hard to tell how much of his success is him vs the resources but apparently it's less so with Theo. Dombrowski left the Tigers in absolute ruins, oh that was to appease his owner who wanted a ring... Well that sounds familiar.
4 rings? 3 of them were Stick's team (like he wasn't second in command). Most regular season wins in the new century? Not enough championships. They haven't competed enough? Most playoff appearances since 2000. Overrated is so subjective it's not even worth getting into, but if he wasn't great at his job he wouldn't even still have it.Originally posted by G PericoComment
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Steve Phillips. Dude set the industry standard.
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Cashman's legacy will always be a hard one to rate. There is no denying that he has enjoyed resources unlike any other GM in baseball which does make his job comparatively easy. However, it is interesting how he is viewed one way and then someone like John Schuerholz is recognized a HoF GM and had some similarities. When Schuerholz took over in Atlanta, the Braves were consistently a top 5 payroll team. Plus he inherited 3 hall of fame players in Tom Glavine, John Smoltz, and Chipper Jones. He then went out and used the team's considerable resources to sign the best pitcher. That's a story that sounds a lot like the early part of Cashman's career. It is worth nothing that the finances that Cashman has had to work with have been at a great disparity than what someone like Scheurholz had, but I can't really fault Cashman for using them.
It's hard to know if he deserves credit using those resources to always put a solid team on the field, or if anyone could have managed the same with those considerable resources.Comment
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A few things:
1) I don't want people to hear what I'm not saying; I'm NOT saying that Cashman isn't a very good GM. He is and has been. I just have a hard time saying he's the best because he's been in one place the entire time and that place happens to be probably the THE job in baseball. I'm just not sold on saying that he's the best guy in the game or that someone else wouldn't have done a better job over the same time frame.
2) On Schuerholz; I would agree with you IF he had only done what he did in Atlanta, but he also won in Kansas City. Yes, he took over in Kansas City after their successful run from 1976-1980 and he had a rough time at first, but he won in Kansas City for nearly a decade including a World Series title."People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers HornsbyComment
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To completely dismiss Cashmans involvement in the 98-2000 championships just shows a lack of knowledge around those teams. Not only was he around and a major part of the front office that helped build those teams in the first place but he made a lot of smaller moves to keep that dynasty going.
Also you know how many losing seasons the Yankees have had under Cashman? Zero. Number of times they missed the playoffs under Cashman? Three. Completely rebuild a team from the ground up without falling out of contention? Check.
But yeah I can def see the “he’s average” argument [emoji849]
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I'm actually in the camp that would probably defend Cashman, but to me the bolded parts are not good arguments. Since 1998 the Yankees opening day payroll has been top 2 every year except 2018 when it was still higher than 75% of the league. This isn't a criticism of him, but you would have to be pretty bad to suffer a losing season with that kind of advantage.. Rebuilding with a 170m payroll is very different than rebuilding with a 120m one.
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