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[Master Live 013]

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I agree with his changes thus far to pace of play. I'd agree with an automated strikezone, even with a rule against shifts.

But his work otherwise is junk. Their treatment of MiLB is horrific, their handling of the scandals this offseason is poor and they still can't figure out how to market the game sufficiently.

I honestly fully expect a lockout when the CBA expires.

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I don't remember all the changes but I disagree with the automatic intentional walk. I would be against banning the defensive shift. Against the 3 batters faced minimum.

Got no problem whatsoever with robot umps or extending the netting.

And I didn't remembered exactly the date and it turns out the 2 Wild Card system, which I extremely disliked when it was proposed but have begrudgingly accepted after seeing how it has made the race for playoffs incredibly exciting and the Division Title actually mean something, was one of the last changes Selig introduced, figure that.

A 162 season ending in a winner take all game is silly but I now just look at it as a play in game and I still think a 3 game series would be detrimental to the higher seeds do to the waiting period.

[countryboy]

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Just to play devil's advocate, I remember one night in 2009 my dad and I spontaneously went to a Giants game the night before we had to road trip, and we were under the impression it was Randy Johnson's turn in the rotation... only to completely forget that he was on the disabled list, and Jonathan Sanchez was going to pitch in his spot.

Entering that mid-July start, Sanchez (still on his rookie contract, by the way) was on a steady decline with a 5.30 ERA and was demoted to the bullpen. This was his shot to show something, and one more shoddy performance definitely meant being sent down to AAA, being a trade piece for somebody by the deadline (he still had nasty stuff, but couldn't figure out the control and effectiveness), or not getting a new contract with a team at the end of the year.

That night, Sanchez threw a no-hitter with 11 strikeouts and no walks (there was an eighth inning error by Juan Uribe).

This start changed everything for him. He stayed in the rotation (even upon Johnson's return) and ended the season with a 4.24 ERA. He stayed with the Giants for two more strong seasons (honing a 3.07 ERA the next season), and was an important trade piece to the Royals when we snagged Melky Cabrera (who was great till his steroid suspension). He made about $14 million more from contracts following that season as a result, compared to a measly $1 million.

Now, if that night Sanchez doesn't throw a no-hitter, and instead faces a team that is stealing his signs? Way different story.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Bolsinger was going to no-hit the Astros, but I'm saying that his lawsuit absolutely holds merit in my eyes. In a way, this start very well may have ended his major league career. If he instead throws a quality start, there is no telling where it could have gone. Sanchez's story is a strong anecdote for that.

And Sanchez bounced from minors to majors in 2011, 2012, and 2013, and never pitched in the majors again after 2013.

In 2012 he had a plus 8 ERA and in 2013 a plus 11 ERA.

One game doesn't define a player's career. If Bolsinger hadn't struggled prior to this game against the Astros, he would've gotten another chance, more than likely, to pitch a major league game again that season.

[Blzer]

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And Sanchez bounced from minors to majors in 2011, 2012, and 2013, and never pitched in the majors again after 2013.



In 2012 he had a plus 8 ERA and in 2013 a plus 11 ERA.



One game doesn't define a player's career.

Oh, I’m not calling Sanchez a Hall of Famer by any means. I’m saying if that game ended his career (because trust me, a bad outing and he was definitely going to be out of the majors there), $1 million is sure less than $15 million.

Again, I’m mostly playing devil’s advocate here.

[Master Live 013]

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Look at this board. Maybe Manfred just likes to stir **** up to get people talking. Probably will drop the Red Sox report tomorrow morning so it get lost with the primary talk/results.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I don’t know if there’s anything Manfred can do to reach the level of dislike I have for Selig, he’s going to have that shield for a long time.

[countryboy]

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Oh, I’m not calling Sanchez a Hall of Famer by any means. I’m saying if that game ended his career, $1 million is sure less than $15 million.

Again, I’m mostly playing devil’s advocate here.

The Astros didn't end Mike Bolsinger's career. He was optioned to the minors and then elected free agency at the end of 2017. He then elected to pitch in Japan because he was offered more money to pitch there than what was offered here.

Again, one game doesn't make a player's career. If he doesn't struggle before that game, then he likely pitches in the majors again after that game.

The man had a 6+ ERA in 2017 in 11 games and 41 innings. That all didn't happen in the Astros game.

[Jeffrey Smith]

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And Sanchez bounced from minors to majors in 2011, 2012, and 2013, and never pitched in the majors again after 2013.

In 2012 he had a plus 8 ERA and in 2013 a plus 11 ERA.

One game doesn't define a player's career. If Bolsinger hadn't struggled prior to this game against the Astros, he would've gotten another chance, more than likely, to pitch a major league game again that season.

Agreed. While I believe the Astros punishment was not enough I cannot get on board with any pitcher claiming that one start derailed their entire career.

Without looking up any stats I would assume Bolsinger had opportunity in the minors to re establish his career.


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[DamnYanks2]

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This is karma for the Astros. MLB decided to let them off easy. But nobody else is. They'll go down as champs in 2017 in the book. But nobody respects them.

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[Speedy]

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I don't remember all the changes but I disagree with the automatic intentional walk. I would be against banning the defensive shift. Against the 3 batters faced minimum.

Got no problem whatsoever with robot umps or extending the netting.

And I didn't remembered exactly the date and it turns out the 2 Wild Card system, which I extremely disliked when it was proposed but have begrudgingly accepted after seeing how it has made the race for playoffs incredibly exciting and the Division Title actually mean something, was one of the last changes Selig introduced, figure that.

A 162 season ending in a winner take all game is silly but I now just look at it as a play in game and I still think a 3 game series would be detrimental to the higher seeds do to the waiting period.

I still dont get the hate on the IBB.

Also, what's wrong with the 3 batter min? The number of pitching changes has become exhausting. It also may slightly decrease chance of arm fatigue/injury with number of appearances (+ times warming up)...maybe.

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[Blzer]

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The Astros didn't end Mike Bolsinger's career. He was optioned to the minors and then elected free agency at the end of 2017. He then elected to pitch in Japan because he was offered more money to pitch there than what was offered here.

Again, one game doesn't make a player's career. If he doesn't struggle before that game, then he likely pitches in the majors again after that game.

The man had a 6+ ERA in 2017 in 11 games and 41 innings. That all didn't happen in the Astros game.

Correct, I don't really know Bolsinger's story. I was simply speaking on something that I experienced first-hand, someone I was excited for redeeming himself in the moment, and making that start define a lot about him for the next couple of years. It literally changed his life.

Of course, I purposefully left out those later years and the fact that he was facing the Padres, but none of that matters for the money that he made. All that matters is he was playing a team that didn't steal his signs, and he wasn't hurt as a result.

Bolsinger may in fact be dreadful. He was cheated out of an opportunity though, which is why I think he may have a shot in the lawsuit. Even if he doesn't, the idea in my eyes isn't laughable. That's just me, though.

This is karma for the Astros. MLB decided to let them off easy. But nobody else is. They'll go down as champs in 2017 in the book. But nobody respects them.

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I hear Dodgers fans are buying tickets for Angels games specifically to egg them on when they play in Anaheim.

I mean the media is not going to let this go during Spring Training either. This is going to be one interesting circus, and it really has only just begun.

I still dont get the hate on the IBB.

I dunno, I've expressed my sentiments before and people have heard them. If they don't understand it, I guess there's no getting those people to understand it after everything I posted.

A lot of it for me also has to do with the slippery slope notion of "What other legal actions can be removed?" plus the trickle-down of other leagues the rule affected not named the MLB.

Also, what's wrong with the 3 batter min? The number of pitching changes has become exhausting. It also may slightly decrease chance of arm fatigue/injury with number of appearances (+ times warming up)...maybe.

As much as it didn't help Bonds, the back in the day the Diamondbacks and Rockies solely had lefty sidewinder specialists in the bullpen specifically to go against Barry Bonds. That's at most nineteen times in a season, for one player.

I like that baseball can get players for some sort of specialty for something, and with the floor being lifted on the number of batters you have to face, these kinds of guys don't have a place in the game anymore. Again, this is just a very specific example, but it's still one I can use.

I wonder how it's going to work for injuries, by the way. Like, any pitcher can lie and say he has shoulder discomfort, you know? How much will that kind of thing be abused?

[DieHardYankee26]

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This is karma for the Astros. MLB decided to let them off easy. But nobody else is. They'll go down as champs in 2017 in the book. But nobody respects them.

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If they cared about respect, they wouldn't have done what they did in the first place. They won.

[kehlis]

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Also, what's wrong with the 3 batter min? The number of pitching changes has become exhausting. It also may slightly decrease chance of arm fatigue/injury with number of appearances (+ times warming up)...maybe.

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It will ruin the career of specialists who were on teams only for specific matchups.

[KSUowls]

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The beauty of baseball is it's rhythm. It's there with you every day for 162+ games over the summer months. The marathon of a baseball season separates the good teams from the also rans, but on any given day it doesn't surprise anyone if the worst team in the league knocks off the best team; that's baseball.

Why on earth, then, would you want to let FOURTEEN teams into the playoffs in a sport where in a short series(s) a lesser team can upend a superior team, thus upending the wonderful separation that a 162 game schedule gives you?

Personally, I think 10 teams is too many...but that ship has sailed. This nonsense, however, shows that Manfred doesn't get it.

This, this, and this.

I'm not a fan of the current already expanded system, and this proposed system just diminishes the spirit of the competition even more. Baseball is a marathon with twice as many regular season games as any other professional sport. You can have an entire month of bad baseball and still have time to right the ship to become one of the top 8 (...or top 10 blah).

We all know this is just a way to get more revenue from more "playoff" games. Maybe we will get to the point where the regular season is just a 162 game tournament to seed teams for the actual tournament.

[countryboy]

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Correct, I don't really know Bolsinger's story. I was simply speaking on something that I experienced first-hand, someone I was excited for redeeming himself in the moment, and making that start define a lot about him for the next couple of years. It literally changed his life.

Of course, I purposefully left out those later years and the fact that he was facing the Padres, but none of that matters for the money that he made. All that matters is he was playing a team that didn't steal his signs, and he wasn't hurt as a result.

Bolsinger may in fact be dreadful. He was cheated out of an opportunity though, which is why I think he may have a shot in the lawsuit. Even if he doesn't, the idea in my eyes isn't laughable. That's just me, though.

He wasn't cheated out of an opportunity. He pitched 11 games that season, so he pitched 10 other games to prove himself worthy of remaining on a big league team which he didn't.

The mindset that he is out of the majors because the Astros stole signs is laughable and completely false. He could've accepted a minor league contract and worked his way back into the majors, but he chose not too.

He can pitch in Japan, re-work himself and try to get back into the majors if he wants, as others have done, but he's chosen not to thus far.

The only person responsible for where Bolsinger is in his career is Bolsinger, nobody else.

[Blzer]

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He wasn't cheated out of an opportunity. He pitched 11 games that season, so he pitched 10 other games to prove himself worthy of remaining on a big league team which he didn't.

The mindset that he is out of the majors because the Astros stole signs is laughable and completely false. He could've accepted a minor league contract and worked his way back into the majors, but he chose not too.

He can pitch in Japan, re-work himself and try to get back into the majors if he wants, as others have done, but he's chosen not to thus far.

The only person responsible for where Bolsinger is in his career is Bolsinger, nobody else.

Yeah, I just looked at his games log. He sucked.

Still, that last game he only recorded one out. The Astros weren't doing him favors, that's all I'm saying. If Jonathan Sanchez had that outing in the game I went to go see, he wouldn't have the $14 million more that he has now.