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[Scott]

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lol Jon Lester....

While my efforts to eliminate pitchers from having to throw to 1B didnt pass, I'm proud of the PA & Owners for coming together on a new CBA!

[DieHardYankee26]

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Loving some of these changes, not a fan of the QO compensation, I don't believe teams should be compensated at all for losing players, it isn't like they have no choice in the matter. But the WS home field advantage is huge, as is the smokeless tobacco ban.

Question: what does the international spending cap mean? I see you can't go over it, is that a hard cap as opposed to the soft cap that ended up getting people disqualified in consecutive years? What does this mean, for instance in the case of a Yoan Moncada, does this mean he could have only gotten a 5 mil bonus instead of his 31.5 or is this unrelated to that type of signing?

[Sportsforever]

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Loving some of these changes, not a fan of the QO compensation, I don't believe teams should be compensated at all for losing players, it isn't like they have no choice in the matter. But the WS home field advantage is huge, as is the smokeless tobacco ban.

Question: what does the international spending cap mean? I see you can't go over it, is that a hard cap as opposed to the soft cap that ended up getting people disqualified in consecutive years? What does this mean, for instance in the case of a Yoan Moncada, does this mean he could have only gotten a 5 mil bonus instead of his 31.5 or is this unrelated to that type of signing?

Of course as a Yankees fan you would say "teams have a choice in the matter". Not everyone has a pretty unlimited budget that and can outbid any team for a player's services. If you are the Tampa Bay Rays and you have a stud player who is now a FA, do you really have a "choice" in keeping that player?

[DieHardYankee26]

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Of course as a Yankees fan you would say "teams have a choice in the matter". Not everyone has a pretty unlimited budget that and can outbid any team for a player's services. If you are the Tampa Bay Rays and you have a stud player who is now a FA, do you really have a "choice" in keeping that player?

If I'm a Tampa Rays fan, I see that our ownership locked up our star player years ago, and if I'm a Rockies fan I feel the same way, they just traded him afterwards. No every team doesn't have an unlimited budget, but none of them are operating on the shoestring budgets that they act like they are, and you don't need an unlimited budget to win or compete. If the owner doesn't have the money to support the franchise, sell them to someone who does and stop asking the people of the city and other owners to subsidize your toy purchase.

[redsoxfan31]

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Loving some of these changes, not a fan of the QO compensation, I don't believe teams should be compensated at all for losing players, it isn't like they have no choice in the matter. But the WS home field advantage is huge, as is the smokeless tobacco ban.

Question: what does the international spending cap mean? I see you can't go over it, is that a hard cap as opposed to the soft cap that ended up getting people disqualified in consecutive years? What does this mean, for instance in the case of a Yoan Moncada, does this mean he could have only gotten a 5 mil bonus instead of his 31.5 or is this unrelated to that type of signing?

I have this question as well because with Shohei Otani most likely getting posted next offseason, what does the new cap spending limit mean for him? Can teams only pay him $5 million or is this cap limit for non-NPB players?

[AC]

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Seems almost like the owners didn't get ANYTHING in this deal.

The intl hard cap might hurt big teams' chances to sign guys a bit, but it really suppresses intl players' wages and massively benefits the smaller market teams.

[DieHardYankee26]

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I have this question as well because with Shohei Otani most likely getting posted next offseason, what does the new cap spending limit mean for him? Can teams only pay him $5 million or is this cap limit for non-NPB players?

I'd assume it won't affect him because as CMH said, Japanese players have to be bargained with through the teams that own their rights, with the posting fee and whatnot. It seems that the only difference in the situations is that the NPB players have another big business interest involved, so of course they can't just do whatever they want with them.

My question is why does it even matter? Could MLB not say "we just refuse to negotiate rights with players currently under contract in other leagues" and try to force the hand of the Japanese players in declaring true free agency? Is this a possibility? I'm trying to figure out an explanation to all of this without it just being the Latin players don't have any one with deep pockets protecting their interests.

[redsox4evur]

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I'd assume it won't affect him because as CMH said, Japanese players have to be bargained with through the teams that own their rights, with the posting fee and whatnot. It seems that the only difference in the situations is that the NPB players have another big business interest involved, so of course they can't just do whatever they want with them.

My question is why does it even matter? Could MLB not say "we just refuse to negotiate rights with players currently under contract in other leagues" and try to force the hand of the Japanese players in declaring true free agency? Is this a possibility? I'm trying to figure out an explanation to all of this without it just being the Latin players don't have any one with deep pockets protecting their interests.

I have this question as well because with Shohei Otani most likely getting posted next offseason, what does the new cap spending limit mean for him? Can teams only pay him $5 million or is this cap limit for non-NPB players?

Correct DieHard. It does not effect Otani or 99% of the players that come over from Asia because they have played professionally whether it be in Japan, Korea, etc. this new rule only applies to amateur INT free agents.


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[redsoxfan31]

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Correct DieHard. It does not effect Otani or 99% of the players that come over from Asia because they have played professionally whether it be in Japan, Korea, etc. this new rule only applies to amateur INT free agents.


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I posted in the hot stove thread, Joel Sherman tweeted out that the new CBA may affect Otani because it could make the minimum age for an international free agent to come over to 25 and Otani is only 23

[DieHardYankee26]

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Few more CBA things:

Apparently the Yankees get revenue sharing breaks because they paid for their stadium as opposed to using public funds (although I'm admittedly not knowledgeable enough about deals of this magnitude to understand the fine print, I know they have bonds exempt from city taxes and don't pay rent on the property, but not sure how different the benefits are in one situation vs the other). Just thought that was funny, Yankees getting a break, it's about time right?

Athletics are getting their portion of revenue sharing cut, not really sure of the reasons but they'd been getting almost a 35 mil check up until now and have plumbing issues with their stadium, so yeah.

Apparently teams that are 40+mil over the tax threshold will have their draft pick moved down 10 spots. Seems odd.

[Majingir]

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From what I heard, apparently the As stuff is due to them not utilizing the money they have gotten from the revenue sharing. Now this forces them to build a new stadium or else

It makes the relocation talks start up again though. First thing was getting the new cba, now that it's done,Manfreds next item is the As/Rays stadium issues. Basically they either build a stadium or most likely be forced to relocate(Montreal?)

[redsoxfan31]

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Jeff Passan just confirmed my fears, Shohei Otani won't be coming to the MLB until 2019 because of the new minimum age of 25 for international signees. By the time he signs he could end up getting $45 mil a year

[Master Live 013]

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That's embarrassing for the A's.

[Mabster]

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While not classified as a small market the A's had a clause in the last agreement that gave them revenue sharing, about $35 mil a year, based in the fact they play in an antiquated piece of garbage. The A's ownership group is the 5th wealthiest in baseball and Lew Wolfe, the managing partner that just stepped down was Bud Selig's old frat buddy and profited greatly by pocketing most of that revenue sharing check. The owners got tired of it and turned off the spigot. That check will be fazed out over the next four years.

Recent changes to the ownership group, and now this check cut, is supposed to stir the shovels for a new stadium. We'll see how that goes though. The Raiders were moving to Vegas opening the Coliseum grounds to the A's but now an investment group lead by Ronnie Lott has a proposal being accepted by the mayor to keep the Raiders in Oakland. If that happens the A's will have to look elsewhere for land to build on. Something that obviously so far hasn't panned out in the last 10 years or so.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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Sounds like a pretty hard-hitting investment group that is elite at defending its portfolio.