Barry Bonds is ....

**Blzer** · 04-22-2004, 12:54 AM

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Okay, he MAY be taking steroids, he MAY be taking illegal substances, he MAY be taking LEGAL substances, he may be taking NOTHING but his vitamins and minerals and everything else the body needs, but whatever he is/isn't taking, you can't say that his swing or bat speed has dramatically improved, or just basically improved for that matter. It has always been so short and fast, he just got stronger is all, so he can put more out. Not that he's really putting them out much farther, but he's putting them out more often.

Anyways, what I'm trying to get at is, if you take steroids, and IF you take steroids (I'm not talking about image or appearance here), you think that it's a little improvement, maybe about 8% stronger arms or so, a little faster bat speed? No, steroids are a BIG difference. Statistics show that if you take steroids, you will improve your bat speed by 50% AT LEAST! Well, like I said before, Bonds' bat speed didn't dramatically improve, so to say that his bat speed has been twice as good since 2000 or so, then I'd like to advise you guys to not speak. Don't mean to be rude when I say that, I'm trying to think of a better way to say it right now as we speak, but as of now that's what I said.

But yeah, steroids are a big difference people... about 6 to 7 times more than having a corked bat in Colorado with the wind blowing out to straightaway center.

**lionsfan49** · 04-22-2004, 01:01 AM

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Blzer said:
you think that it's a little improvement, maybe about 8% stronger arms or so, a little faster bat speed? No, steroids are a BIG difference. Statistics show that if you take steroids, you will improve your bat speed by 50% AT LEAST!

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LOL Where is the link to the study that was done on major league players and their increase in batspeed while on "steroids?"

This should be interesting....

**lionsfan49** · 04-22-2004, 01:01 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Blzer said:
you think that it's a little improvement, maybe about 8% stronger arms or so, a little faster bat speed? No, steroids are a BIG difference. Statistics show that if you take steroids, you will improve your bat speed by 50% AT LEAST!

<hr /></blockquote>

LOL Where is the link to the study that was done on major league players and their increase in batspeed while on "steroids?"

This should be interesting....

**lionsfan49** · 04-22-2004, 01:01 AM

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<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Blzer said:
you think that it's a little improvement, maybe about 8% stronger arms or so, a little faster bat speed? No, steroids are a BIG difference. Statistics show that if you take steroids, you will improve your bat speed by 50% AT LEAST!

<hr /></blockquote>

LOL Where is the link to the study that was done on major league players and their increase in batspeed while on "steroids?"

This should be interesting....

**Vince** · 04-22-2004, 05:03 AM

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Well i've chatted on the net with some baseball fans who are knowledgeable about the ruth days and he said that players would take somethign called "speed"?Can anyone confirm this?

**Vince** · 04-22-2004, 05:03 AM

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Well i've chatted on the net with some baseball fans who are knowledgeable about the ruth days and he said that players would take somethign called "speed"?Can anyone confirm this?

**Vince** · 04-22-2004, 05:03 AM

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Well i've chatted on the net with some baseball fans who are knowledgeable about the ruth days and he said that players would take somethign called "speed"?Can anyone confirm this?

**mickj** · 04-22-2004, 06:50 AM

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athletics_fan said:
Legal or illegal, it's all about INTEGRITY, Blzer. It gives him an unfair advantage over the rest of his peers on the field.

Is it wrong? Of course. He knows this and everyone else knows this. Why can't you play the game right and not use substances to help out your game?

If he has supposed "God-given ability" he and everyone else raves about, why in the world did he have to use HGH or whatever legal/illegal substances?

Like I said before, it's not fair and it's not ethical. It hurts not only his image, but the game's and his father's and Mays' images.

Why would it hurt his father and Mays' images you ask? They are/were the ones endorsing this supposed "baseball god".

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You know you're right. Now let's put an asterick on everything that Zito, Mulder and Hudson have accomplished, because they play in a pithcer's park, which unfairly enhances their performances. Let's put an asterick on Palmiero's career because of those years he spent in Texas in a hitters park inflated his home run totals. It's not against the rules, but it is "unfair" as you say.

If you have a problem with legal things like HGH because it's "unfair" and "unethical" then take it up with MLB, not Bonds. If he's playing by the rules there's nothing tainted about his accomplishments, plain and simple.

**mickj** · 04-22-2004, 06:50 AM

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athletics_fan said:
Legal or illegal, it's all about INTEGRITY, Blzer. It gives him an unfair advantage over the rest of his peers on the field.

Is it wrong? Of course. He knows this and everyone else knows this. Why can't you play the game right and not use substances to help out your game?

If he has supposed "God-given ability" he and everyone else raves about, why in the world did he have to use HGH or whatever legal/illegal substances?

Like I said before, it's not fair and it's not ethical. It hurts not only his image, but the game's and his father's and Mays' images.

Why would it hurt his father and Mays' images you ask? They are/were the ones endorsing this supposed "baseball god".

<hr /></blockquote>

You know you're right. Now let's put an asterick on everything that Zito, Mulder and Hudson have accomplished, because they play in a pithcer's park, which unfairly enhances their performances. Let's put an asterick on Palmiero's career because of those years he spent in Texas in a hitters park inflated his home run totals. It's not against the rules, but it is "unfair" as you say.

If you have a problem with legal things like HGH because it's "unfair" and "unethical" then take it up with MLB, not Bonds. If he's playing by the rules there's nothing tainted about his accomplishments, plain and simple.

**mickj** · 04-22-2004, 06:50 AM

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athletics_fan said:
Legal or illegal, it's all about INTEGRITY, Blzer. It gives him an unfair advantage over the rest of his peers on the field.

Is it wrong? Of course. He knows this and everyone else knows this. Why can't you play the game right and not use substances to help out your game?

If he has supposed "God-given ability" he and everyone else raves about, why in the world did he have to use HGH or whatever legal/illegal substances?

Like I said before, it's not fair and it's not ethical. It hurts not only his image, but the game's and his father's and Mays' images.

Why would it hurt his father and Mays' images you ask? They are/were the ones endorsing this supposed "baseball god".

<hr /></blockquote>

You know you're right. Now let's put an asterick on everything that Zito, Mulder and Hudson have accomplished, because they play in a pithcer's park, which unfairly enhances their performances. Let's put an asterick on Palmiero's career because of those years he spent in Texas in a hitters park inflated his home run totals. It's not against the rules, but it is "unfair" as you say.

If you have a problem with legal things like HGH because it's "unfair" and "unethical" then take it up with MLB, not Bonds. If he's playing by the rules there's nothing tainted about his accomplishments, plain and simple.

**Sturgis** · 04-22-2004, 07:34 AM

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Hey bonds fans....... wth?

Does Balco Labs ring a bell?

Everyone in here knows he used steroids. The only ones with any doubt, seem to be guys with Giants avatars.

I'm a damn Cubs fan but I am not running around saying the cork in Sosa's bat was an imperfection in the wood.

Come on people the truth is out there....

**Sturgis** · 04-22-2004, 07:34 AM

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

Hey bonds fans....... wth?

Does Balco Labs ring a bell?

Everyone in here knows he used steroids. The only ones with any doubt, seem to be guys with Giants avatars.

I'm a damn Cubs fan but I am not running around saying the cork in Sosa's bat was an imperfection in the wood.

Come on people the truth is out there....

**Sturgis** · 04-22-2004, 07:34 AM

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

Hey bonds fans....... wth?

Does Balco Labs ring a bell?

Everyone in here knows he used steroids. The only ones with any doubt, seem to be guys with Giants avatars.

I'm a damn Cubs fan but I am not running around saying the cork in Sosa's bat was an imperfection in the wood.

Come on people the truth is out there....

**mickj** · 04-22-2004, 08:13 AM

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Sturgis said: Everyone in here knows he used steroids.

<hr /></blockquote> Once again, prove it. After all, if it's so obvious to you, you should be able to. <blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The only ones with any doubt, seem to be guys with Giants avatars.

<hr /></blockquote> I'm actually an A's and Dodgers fan who hates the Giants with every fiber of my being. <blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I'm a damn Cubs fan but I am not running around saying the cork in Sosa's bat was an imperfection in the wood.

<hr /></blockquote> Sosa was caught red handed. There is absolutely no proof that Bonds has taken anything. And no, comparing a photo of him and one from over 12 years ago does not count as proof. <blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Come on people the truth is out there....

<hr /></blockquote> Show me. Once again, if this is so obvious to you, you must have some sort of proof.

**mickj** · 04-22-2004, 08:13 AM

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

<blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Sturgis said: Everyone in here knows he used steroids.

<hr /></blockquote> Once again, prove it. After all, if it's so obvious to you, you should be able to. <blockquote>Quote:<hr />
The only ones with any doubt, seem to be guys with Giants avatars.

<hr /></blockquote> I'm actually an A's and Dodgers fan who hates the Giants with every fiber of my being. <blockquote>Quote:<hr />
I'm a damn Cubs fan but I am not running around saying the cork in Sosa's bat was an imperfection in the wood.

<hr /></blockquote> Sosa was caught red handed. There is absolutely no proof that Bonds has taken anything. And no, comparing a photo of him and one from over 12 years ago does not count as proof. <blockquote>Quote:<hr />
Come on people the truth is out there....

<hr /></blockquote> Show me. Once again, if this is so obvious to you, you must have some sort of proof.

Barry Bonds is ....

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