Barry Bonds is ....

[mickj]

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

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Sturgis said: Everyone in here knows he used steroids.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Once again, prove it. After all, if it's so obvious to you, you should be able to. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
The only ones with any doubt, seem to be guys with Giants avatars.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> I'm actually an A's and Dodgers fan who hates the Giants with every fiber of my being. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I'm a damn Cubs fan but I am not running around saying the cork in Sosa's bat was an imperfection in the wood.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Sosa was caught red handed. There is absolutely no proof that Bonds has taken anything. And no, comparing a photo of him and one from over 12 years ago does not count as proof. </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Come on people the truth is out there....

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post"> Show me. Once again, if this is so obvious to you, you must have some sort of proof.

[Mr_October]

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I do think it was a little odd that a few of the players that tested positive for steroids were playing for the Giants last year. Santiago and someone else whose name I can't remember.

[Mr_October]

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I do think it was a little odd that a few of the players that tested positive for steroids were playing for the Giants last year. Santiago and someone else whose name I can't remember.

[Mr_October]

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I do think it was a little odd that a few of the players that tested positive for steroids were playing for the Giants last year. Santiago and someone else whose name I can't remember.

[Vince]

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I believe the other player is marvin Benard

[Vince]

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I believe the other player is marvin Benard

[Vince]

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I believe the other player is marvin Benard

[richierich]

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^^
yeah and where are all of their homeruns?

[richierich]

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^^
yeah and where are all of their homeruns?

[richierich]

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^^
yeah and where are all of their homeruns?

[pfunk]

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

A cheater, that is what he is.

Yes, he is one of the greatest hitters of all time, there is no doubt about that. Would he have hit 667 without steroids? Maybe. I don't know, no one does. Bonds has robbed us of the opportunity to appreciate what he has done by cheating. I have never seen a batter as locked in as he has been for the last 5 years, it is truly amazing. Steroids have not done that, training has. That is what makes this all so sad. Bonds would have been great without the steroids, but he could not resist the opportunity to have an unfair edge. The fact that he cheated does not call into question his accomplishments but his integrity. If they ever prove that he took steroids (something we all know he did) I think he should be banned from the Hall of Fame for conduct that is detrimental to the game of baseball. He shames the memory of his father and the legacy of his godfather by being a cheater. I can understand why slightly above average players like Caminiti and Canseco would use steroids. I can understand why a career minor leaguer would do it. It baffles me that Bonds has so little character that being great was not enough for him. That when the opportunity to get away with cheating came along, he took it. Sure there was no testing and HGH was not banned when he was doing it. But you shouldn't cheat just because you can. I would love for Bonds to be caught red handed, have his accomplishments astericked and be banned from the hall. What a great message that would send to our children about how wrong cheating is.

[pfunk]

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

A cheater, that is what he is.

Yes, he is one of the greatest hitters of all time, there is no doubt about that. Would he have hit 667 without steroids? Maybe. I don't know, no one does. Bonds has robbed us of the opportunity to appreciate what he has done by cheating. I have never seen a batter as locked in as he has been for the last 5 years, it is truly amazing. Steroids have not done that, training has. That is what makes this all so sad. Bonds would have been great without the steroids, but he could not resist the opportunity to have an unfair edge. The fact that he cheated does not call into question his accomplishments but his integrity. If they ever prove that he took steroids (something we all know he did) I think he should be banned from the Hall of Fame for conduct that is detrimental to the game of baseball. He shames the memory of his father and the legacy of his godfather by being a cheater. I can understand why slightly above average players like Caminiti and Canseco would use steroids. I can understand why a career minor leaguer would do it. It baffles me that Bonds has so little character that being great was not enough for him. That when the opportunity to get away with cheating came along, he took it. Sure there was no testing and HGH was not banned when he was doing it. But you shouldn't cheat just because you can. I would love for Bonds to be caught red handed, have his accomplishments astericked and be banned from the hall. What a great message that would send to our children about how wrong cheating is.

[pfunk]

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

A cheater, that is what he is.

Yes, he is one of the greatest hitters of all time, there is no doubt about that. Would he have hit 667 without steroids? Maybe. I don't know, no one does. Bonds has robbed us of the opportunity to appreciate what he has done by cheating. I have never seen a batter as locked in as he has been for the last 5 years, it is truly amazing. Steroids have not done that, training has. That is what makes this all so sad. Bonds would have been great without the steroids, but he could not resist the opportunity to have an unfair edge. The fact that he cheated does not call into question his accomplishments but his integrity. If they ever prove that he took steroids (something we all know he did) I think he should be banned from the Hall of Fame for conduct that is detrimental to the game of baseball. He shames the memory of his father and the legacy of his godfather by being a cheater. I can understand why slightly above average players like Caminiti and Canseco would use steroids. I can understand why a career minor leaguer would do it. It baffles me that Bonds has so little character that being great was not enough for him. That when the opportunity to get away with cheating came along, he took it. Sure there was no testing and HGH was not banned when he was doing it. But you shouldn't cheat just because you can. I would love for Bonds to be caught red handed, have his accomplishments astericked and be banned from the hall. What a great message that would send to our children about how wrong cheating is.

[NumberOneRB]

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lionsfan49 said:
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Blzer said:
Remember, Bonds, and MANY other athletes, use Creatine™, a legal performance enhancement supplement, that gives you that big extra boost of fatigue while working out, thus he can work out to a higher standard, and a longer period of time

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Sorry to burst it, but Creatine really doesnt help, and it wont aid in the bulking up process. I took part in a major study with creatine, and the only thing that it did was add a few reps at the end of a final set. No major strength gain, no weight gain, etc.

I also have extensive experience with supplements, and there are many many different types of steroids. Not all of them will begin to break your body down as some of you suggest.

The biggest thing with me is I am bothered by not how big Barry is, but when he got that big. At a time when he should be slowing down, he is stronger and in better shape than when he was in his "prime". Maybe he is a late bloomer?

Also, as far as being tested--give me a break. A guy could shoot a CC of Deca into his *** cheek on monday, and buy the right over the counter masking agents at GNC, drink enough cranberry juice, etc...and test negative on Friday. I have seen it happen. So if/when he tests he wont test positive. The only way athletes get caught is if they are not prepared.

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I see you're very ignorant in the ways of Creatine aren't you? Have you ever taken it? Well, I have so I can tell you from experience. Creatine's main function is to help boost ATPs in your body, which helps to boost energy in your muscles, allowing you to perform more reps and become stronger short term. Since the creatine helps you do more reps, you are able to lift heavier weights. As your weight training weight increases, you get stronger. Muscle definition begins to form. Creatine is also used to help speed up the recovery process, because the recovery process is the most important step in gaining muscle mass. The faster you can recover, the faster your muscles heal and begin to increase in mass. I took Creatine for my weight training and in little more than 6 weeks I gained about 6-8 pounds of muscle. So it is very possible that in the course of 10 YEARS Barry Bonds could have trained and added the weight he needed. So that should not even be an option of conversation. And let's also not forget that all Barry Bonds does is work out, he is a professional baseball player. He prolly dedicates 6 months out of the year just exercising. With all that time on your hands to work out, it is VERY possible to perform the gains he has. And let's not get into this whole "head bigger=steroids" garbage. You're body, scientifically, will only grow to the human size that it's suppose to grow, it doesn't grow anymore after that. You can't just "Grow extra bone!" I dont' know one guy who's broken off his leg and grown a full new one, if you have, SHOW ME THE MAN! Just from my own personal preference I can assure you that creatine is a very powerful supplement. Some say that some of the factors of creatine are more powerful that your illegal steroids. Someone also brought up the fact that if he used steroids, his body would have degenerated by now, which is true. Look how long McGwire lasted after taking them, about 2 years tops. Conseco: couple years. And let's all not also be hipocrites either, because no one EVER talks about how MCGwire did steroids. We all know he did, but for some reason no one is accusing him, nor asking him questions about the subject. Because we know that everybody loves McGwire and no one wants to see his reputation get ruined. So if we're gonna talk about how Bonds is a crook and what not, let's talk about how past players such as McGwire are no good crooks a well who should ALSO (in your words) have an asterik next to their records.

[NumberOneRB]

Re: Barry Bonds is ....

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lionsfan49 said:
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Blzer said:
Remember, Bonds, and MANY other athletes, use Creatine™, a legal performance enhancement supplement, that gives you that big extra boost of fatigue while working out, thus he can work out to a higher standard, and a longer period of time

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Sorry to burst it, but Creatine really doesnt help, and it wont aid in the bulking up process. I took part in a major study with creatine, and the only thing that it did was add a few reps at the end of a final set. No major strength gain, no weight gain, etc.

I also have extensive experience with supplements, and there are many many different types of steroids. Not all of them will begin to break your body down as some of you suggest.

The biggest thing with me is I am bothered by not how big Barry is, but when he got that big. At a time when he should be slowing down, he is stronger and in better shape than when he was in his "prime". Maybe he is a late bloomer?

Also, as far as being tested--give me a break. A guy could shoot a CC of Deca into his *** cheek on monday, and buy the right over the counter masking agents at GNC, drink enough cranberry juice, etc...and test negative on Friday. I have seen it happen. So if/when he tests he wont test positive. The only way athletes get caught is if they are not prepared.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

I see you're very ignorant in the ways of Creatine aren't you? Have you ever taken it? Well, I have so I can tell you from experience. Creatine's main function is to help boost ATPs in your body, which helps to boost energy in your muscles, allowing you to perform more reps and become stronger short term. Since the creatine helps you do more reps, you are able to lift heavier weights. As your weight training weight increases, you get stronger. Muscle definition begins to form. Creatine is also used to help speed up the recovery process, because the recovery process is the most important step in gaining muscle mass. The faster you can recover, the faster your muscles heal and begin to increase in mass. I took Creatine for my weight training and in little more than 6 weeks I gained about 6-8 pounds of muscle. So it is very possible that in the course of 10 YEARS Barry Bonds could have trained and added the weight he needed. So that should not even be an option of conversation. And let's also not forget that all Barry Bonds does is work out, he is a professional baseball player. He prolly dedicates 6 months out of the year just exercising. With all that time on your hands to work out, it is VERY possible to perform the gains he has. And let's not get into this whole "head bigger=steroids" garbage. You're body, scientifically, will only grow to the human size that it's suppose to grow, it doesn't grow anymore after that. You can't just "Grow extra bone!" I dont' know one guy who's broken off his leg and grown a full new one, if you have, SHOW ME THE MAN! Just from my own personal preference I can assure you that creatine is a very powerful supplement. Some say that some of the factors of creatine are more powerful that your illegal steroids. Someone also brought up the fact that if he used steroids, his body would have degenerated by now, which is true. Look how long McGwire lasted after taking them, about 2 years tops. Conseco: couple years. And let's all not also be hipocrites either, because no one EVER talks about how MCGwire did steroids. We all know he did, but for some reason no one is accusing him, nor asking him questions about the subject. Because we know that everybody loves McGwire and no one wants to see his reputation get ruined. So if we're gonna talk about how Bonds is a crook and what not, let's talk about how past players such as McGwire are no good crooks a well who should ALSO (in your words) have an asterik next to their records.