2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

[TripleCrown9]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

Even though I'm a Jays fan, I actually liked the Red Sox for a number of years during early-mid 2000s. Before they won the WS in 04. I liked their roster with Manny,Ortiz,Pedro,Damon,Varitek. Ortiz specifically was the one who I liked the most from that group.

Anytime I ever think of the DH position, Ortiz is the one I'll always associate with that.

What?

I wonder how many home runs he ends up with. The high end of realism is that he passes Mickey Mantle at 536, but I think he for sure passes Frank Thomas, Willie McCovey, and Ted Williams at 521.

[SPTO]

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That's the catch .22; do you alter your mechanics to be (relatively) healthier, but at a risk of being less effective?

I want to address this catch 22 for a second. I think it's a bit of an untold tragedy that scouts and the SABR type people have become slaves to the radar gun to the point that you have kids in little league ball throwing with max effort all the time and growing up feeling the need to do so. That alone is a terrible trend but then you have the added problem of kids with some horrible mechanics being allowed to continue to put undue stress on their arms because youth and high school coaches don't quite have the expertise or knowledge to spot problems and tweak the mechanics.

We need to see more pitchers actually, PITCH rather than throwing gas and having unnaturally deceptive/disruptive deliveries because it's blowing their arms out at a terrible rate. There are other factors of course but we're just talking about the pitching aspect right now.

That's not to say that some guys can't get away with having completely messed up deliveries but at the end of the day time will catch up to them.

[AC]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

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[Majingir]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

What?

I wonder how many home runs he ends up with. The high end of realism is that he passes Mickey Mantle at 536, but I think he for sure passes Frank Thomas and Willie McCovey at 521.

I meant i started liking them before they won ws,and overall liked them from early 00s to mid 00(like around time pedro and manny left)

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

Braves tried to trade Shelby Miller to the Diamondbacks.

**** this team.

[The Kid 24]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

Braves tried to trade Shelby Miller to the Diamondbacks.

**** this team.

Any details why it didnt go thru?

[TheMatrix31]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

They wanted AJ Pollock, apparently. LOL.

[The Kid 24]

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They wanted AJ Pollock, apparently. LOL.

Haha... Oh.

[Speedy]

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Good grief, Coppollela.

What's he doing?

[redsox4evur]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

The Giants announced that they’ve signed shortstop Brandon Crawford to a six-year contract extension. The new deal will buy out Crawford’s final two arbitration seasons and four free-agent years, keeping him in San Francisco through 2021 — his age-34 season. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that he will receive $75MM and a full no-trade clause in the deal.

[Jr.]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

I want to address this catch 22 for a second. I think it's a bit of an untold tragedy that scouts and the SABR type people have become slaves to the radar gun to the point that you have kids in little league ball throwing with max effort all the time and growing up feeling the need to do so. That alone is a terrible trend but then you have the added problem of kids with some horrible mechanics being allowed to continue to put undue stress on their arms because youth and high school coaches don't quite have the expertise or knowledge to spot problems and tweak the mechanics.

We need to see more pitchers actually, PITCH rather than throwing gas and having unnaturally deceptive/disruptive deliveries because it's blowing their arms out at a terrible rate. There are other factors of course but we're just talking about the pitching aspect right now.

That's not to say that some guys can't get away with having completely messed up deliveries but at the end of the day time will catch up to them.

That's what I'm saying though. We rely on production to know who is good or not. If doing these things (higher elbow, more deception by landing closed, etc) makes you perform better, kids are going to do them and the harmful effects aren't noted for many, many years.

So do you teach mechanics that are good for longevity, and teach kids to pitch at 85-90%, but deal with less production?

I'll also say, with a little experience with scouting/recruiting, it's really hard to justify taking a kid who throws low 80s with solid mechanics over a kid that throws upper 80s but might have worse mechanics. It's likely always going to be that way.

Okay, back on topic.

[RookieMiztake]

Re: 2015 MLB Hot Stove thread

The Giants announced that they’ve signed shortstop Brandon Crawford to a six-year contract extension. The new deal will buy out Crawford’s final two arbitration seasons and four free-agent years, keeping him in San Francisco through 2021 — his age-34 season. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports reports that he will receive $75MM and a full no-trade clause in the deal.

It is great to see the Giants make this deal Crawford had his best season at the plate as a Giant. The only concern I have with the deal is the amount of money spend and if this is going to be a tell of the organization saying they are looking at re-signing Leake instead going after Greinke or Price.

[Sportsforever]

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They wanted AJ Pollock, apparently. LOL.

At least Pollock isn't a) a prospect and b) a pitcher...progress, progress guys.

[redsox4evur]

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At least Pollock isn't a) a prospect and b) a pitcher...progress, progress guys.

If the return was Pollock I wouldn't mind that at all. Pollock is a very good player.

[TheMatrix31]

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I know how great Pollock is. I meant "LOL" as in there's no way Arizona was gonna do that, despite the prevailing truth that pitching is more important than hitting.

The funny thing is, pitching is more important than hitting, generally, but if you don't have hitting, you end up with 6 wins while pitching fantastic all year like Shelby Miller did.

Either way, it's another case of wanting to trade a guy who's 25, under control for a long time, who's actually ****ing been successful on the major league level, who's the guy you got in return for Jason Heyward, for no explicable reason. If you want offense, trade your prospects who haven't done jack **** yet. Every team is a sucker for those, not just you.

Clown show action from a clown show organization.