2016 H.O.F Discussion

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Re: 2016 H.O.F Discussion

Griffey and Piazza will be the only guys that get in this year because the voters are clueless.

Until Bonds and Clemens are in, the entire museum is irrelevant.

[redsrule]

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I really hope Raines is able to get in. No reason he isn't in already.

Griffey is my favorite player ever so I think it'd be cool if he got 100%, but I highly doubt he will.

[SPTO]

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I think the PEDs guys should be punished but realistically some of them are going to get in eventually. I feel like because of his atrocious attitude that Bonds is going to be the example for everyone as to what will happen if you cheat for so long.

BTW Roy Halladay took to twitter early this morning saying all PED users shouldn't be in the HOF and using PEDs is admitting you're not good enough. I see, one of my favorite Blue Jays has a rather hard core view LOL

[TripleCrown9]

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Here's my hot take.

There should be a limit on how many years you're on the ballot.

Alan Trammell and Lee Smith have been on the ballot for 15 & 14 years, respectively. At this point, I don't see them making it in.

*For the record, I never got the opportunity to see either of them play, so I don't even know how deserving of the Hall they are.

[SPTO]

Re: 2016 H.O.F Discussion

Here's my hot take.

There should be a limit on how many years you're on the ballot.

Alan Trammell and Lee Smith have been on the ballot for 15 & 14 years, respectively. At this point, I don't see them making it in.

*For the record, I never got the opportunity to see either of them play, so I don't even know how deserving of the Hall they are.

Eligibility has been cut down to 10 years. Those two are grandfathered I believe, same with Raines.

Trammel I think deserves to get in but I think it'll have to be through the veteran's committee. Lee Smith was pretty dominant at times but I don't think he was good enough for a long enough period in terms of striking fear into opposing hitters.

[redsox4evur]

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Eligibility has been cut down to 10 years. Those two are grandfathered I believe, same with Raines.

Trammel I think deserves to get in but I think it'll have to be through the veteran's committee. Lee Smith was pretty dominant at times but I don't think he was good enough for a long enough period in terms of striking fear into opposing hitters.

Yea it's 10 years. And I think anyone over 10 years at the time was grandfathered in. So guys like Clemens, Bonds only get 10 years.

[TripleCrown9]

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If both Griffey, Jr. and Piazza make it, they'll be both the highest draft pick and lowest draft pick in the Hall.

Griffey, Jr.- #1 overall
Piazza- #1,390 overall

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Bagwell needs to be in there, too, but hes stagnating around in the mid-50's in the voting percentage. Maybe having Biggio in helps him somehow and he gets the 20% boost he needs.

Still criminal what these voters are doing to cause such a backlog of deserving players. At most, they probably put 3 players in this year with Junior, Piazza, and Hoffman.

[Speedy]

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I don't care for the reduction from 15 years to 10 years.

But I do like that voters can only vote for 10 guys versus as many as they'd like; I think this dwindles down true HOF players versus great players. If a player should be in the HOF, eventually he'll get his due.

That said, how the voters vote I don't care for. McGriff is admittedly fringe HOF but I loved the Crime Dog - he had his own swing mechanism in MLB '99 on PS1! Guys like Raines, Bagwell I think are HOFs but the voters aren't voting for them. For that matter, some guys like Le Betard think it's a joke and allow the fans to vote for him; I don't mind the policies but I think it's the voters (some, not all) that are a travesty.

[TripleCrown9]

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I honestly don't see Hoffman getting in.

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I honestly don't see Hoffman getting in.

Not in this year? Or at all?

I will say I can envision a scenario where Mo gets in before Hoffman, but to me Hoffman was dominant for such an extended period of time and absolutely belongs in the HOF.

[TripleCrown9]

Re: 2016 H.O.F Discussion

Not in this year? Or at all?

I will say I can envision a scenario where Mo gets in before Hoffman, but to me Hoffman was dominant for such an extended period of time and absolutely belongs in the HOF.

Just this year. He'll absolutely get in, I just don't think it will be first ballot.

Hell, ideally, put him and Rivera in together.

[redsox4evur]

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Not in this year? Or at all?

I will say I can envision a scenario where Mo gets in before Hoffman, but to me Hoffman was dominant for such an extended period of time and absolutely belongs in the HOF.

What are your thoughts on Wagner? Because if you look at the per 9 numbers and some advanced stats, he is better than Hoffman. I think Hoffman will get in either this year or next. And Wagner will barely stay on the ballot this year.

[ImTellinTim]

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Just was thinking. Why does the DH position get the "meh, too specialized" treatment while modern-day closers are automatic shoe-ins? Is it because they have a shiny special stat?

[redsox4evur]

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Just was thinking. Why does the DH position get the "meh, too specialized" treatment while modern-day closers are automatic shoe-ins? Is it because they have a shiny special stat?

Yea this true. And a great point. But if you think about it, you could debate that there is already a DH in the HOF. Frank Thomas was a bad defender, IMO, and was primarily a DH in his career.