Jose Fernandez R.I.P

[decga]

Re: Jose Fernandez R.I.P

I've done stupid things, you have done stupid things. We all have.

I, personally would never drive a boat at night over the speed limit while drunk and on coke. But some people do, some die, some don't.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the whole thing about well we all do stupid things is true, it doesn't make me feel that this guy was any less than an a complete idiot. Yes, its sad, yes I shed a tear. But sometimes when you do stupid things you pay the ultimate price. And he did. So to be brutally honest I don't feel sorry for him anymore.

We all forget Jose was not driving the boat. He was a guest of the owner of the boat. He could've been drug for all we know. So that is a cruel statement that you made. You insinuated that you felt sorry for him and now you don't. W.T.F.....

[sweny5632]

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I've seen reports that he was not driving the boat, is this something they know for sure or is it speculation?

There are witnesses that say he was on the phone giving directions to presumably the driver of the boat right before the crash so I'm not quite sure what to believe at this point...

[PVarck31]

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We all forget Jose was not driving the boat. He was a guest of the owner of the boat. He could've been drug for all we know. So that is a cruel statement that you made. You insinuated that you felt sorry for him and now you don't. W.T.F.....

Alright, I might have sounded a little harsh. I'm not saying he got what was coming to him. Not even close. I don't take joy in anyone's death. But when people do stupid things that contribute to their own death, then I, personally have a hard time feeling sorry for that person. If that cruel, so be it.

I assumed he was driving the boat. I think a lot of others have assumed this as well. If he wasn't then it still doesn't diminish the stupidity that was happening on that boat. When people do reckless things and they die because of it I'm not gonna let myself be heartbroken over it. Is it sad? Yes. I wish it didn't happen. But I don't know what people want from me. It's just how I am. If that makes me a bad person, then I guess I'm a bad person.

[decga]

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I've seen reports that he was not driving the boat, is this something they know for sure or is it speculation?

There are witnesses that say he was on the phone giving directions to presumably the driver of the boat right before the crash so I'm not quite sure what to believe at this point...

You what my friend I am not going to try to figure this out. Young talented man dead. Just another tragic death of a sports athlete. Death can't be avoided. It can't be cheated. It might have been his first drink, his first sniff. Let's see how the baseball world handle this...

[dickey1331]

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We all forget Jose was not driving the boat. He was a guest of the owner of the boat. He could've been drug for all we know. So that is a cruel statement that you made. You insinuated that you felt sorry for him and now you don't. W.T.F.....

I don't think he was drugged.


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[decga]

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Alright, I might have sounded a little harsh. I'm not saying he got what was coming to him. Not even close. I don't take joy in anyone's death. But when people do stupid things that contribute to their own death, then I, personally have a hard time feeling sorry for that person. If that cruel, so be it.

I assumed he was driving the boat. I think a lot of others have assumed this as well. If he wasn't then it still doesn't diminish the stupidity that was happening on that boat. When people do reckless things and they die because of it I'm not gonna let myself be heartbroken over it. Is it sad? Yes. I wish it didn't happen. But I don't know what people want from me. It's just how I am. If that makes me a bad person, then I guess I'm a bad person.

It doesn't make you a bad person. There are always multiple sides to every story. MLB song his praise's. We has fans did. When I here some thing good, bad or indifferent. I just keep an open mind.

[TripleCrown9]

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I don't think he was drugged.


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And he wasn't a guest of the owner of the boat. Fernandez WAS the owner of the boat.

[areobee401]

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Lord knows I made a ton of poor choices in my younger years. Would be a hypocrite to criticize Jose Fernandez for doing the same. These latest details do nothing to make the story any less sad or unfortunate.

[SPTO]

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Yeah, it's no less a sad story now that these details are coming out. In some respects it actually makes it MORE sad as he was a young man with a world of talent but very little guidance and a heap of money. I know if I was his age with all that money i'd be doing some mighty foolish things myself. Wasn't there an early report that on that night he had a big argument with his girlfriend and was depressed as hell?

It makes a lot of sense if that was the case, drown yourself in alcohol, escape the world with drugs and go out boating to clear the mind. It's just a recipe for disaster if anything should go out of whack.

R.I.P. and if anyone in the media starts lambasting this guy because of these details than I think they need to look at themselves in the mirror and realize that these guys are human beings. We ALL succumb to our baser selves at some point especially if one is emotionally wracked.

[decga]

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Yeah, it's no less a sad story now that these details are coming out. In some respects it actually makes it MORE sad as he was a young man with a world of talent but very little guidance and a heap of money. I know if I was his age with all that money i'd be doing some mighty foolish things myself. Wasn't there an early report that on that night he had a big argument with his girlfriend and was depressed as hell?

It makes a lot of sense if that was the case, drown yourself in alcohol, escape the world with drugs and go out boating to clear the mind. It's just a recipe for disaster if anything should go out of whack.

R.I.P. and if anyone in the media starts lambasting this guy because of these details than I think they need to look at themselves in the mirror and realize that these guys are human beings. We ALL succumb to our baser selves at some point especially if one is emotionally wracked.

Amen! Well put!

[Caulfield]

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Whoever said there's no crying in baseball was dead wrong.

Tom Hanks has never been wrong in his life .

[WaitTilNextYear]

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I'm not so sure about the Jose Fernandez apologist angle in here...he was young, lacked guidance, and had so much money etc etc...

There are thousands of young athletes in that same boat (no pun, bad word choice) and they don't fatally get wrecked in a boating accident while high. There's something to be said for how sad and how much of a waste of a singular talent that this was, but there's also something to be said for personal responsibility. How many of you are defending every NFL'er for beating their SO's or drugs charges or robbery etc on the basis on them being "young and needing guidance"? Either, everybody gets a pass for youth and destructive behavior or no one should. In that way, Jose Fernandez is no different than any other young athlete with personal demons.

I think it's perfectly reasonable to lament Fernandez's passing without sounding off or getting mad at him from beyond the grave. I also think it's perfectly reasonable to condemn the kind of reckless behavior that put his unborn daughter, his family, and his girlfriend in the situation they now find themselves in. We don't have to make Jose Fernandez out to be something he wasn't--a villain or a hero--in the process.

[DamnYanks2]

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I think people just can't accept his death, they are looking for reasons why this happened. And looking to point fingers, and what could of been or should of been.

Its really easy to sit back and say that's a terrible decision, "he had kids and a wife," but you cant do that.

Don't you think if Jose knew the outcome, he would have never made that decision?

He went out to blow off steam with his buddies, and the unthinkable happened. Yes, he shouldn't have done what he did, but clearly he wasn't thinking.

I can tell you from experience, I've made much worse decisions in my lifetime then going out lit, late at night on a boat, he just happened to be unlucky.







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[DrJones]

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Is it commonplace or assumed that every athlete that comes from small beginnings would be into drug and alcohol use?

I assume that virtually all pro athletes, regardless of background, are into drug and alcohol use.

I think even most jaded sports fans would be stunned at the amount of stuff that never makes it into the news.

[Blzer]

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I think I can speak for both parties, or at least be the person to clear up how both parties might feel for one-another by expressing my opinion... of course with a longer post.

He died (as well as two others, mind you), and that is very very sad. I was in tears over it, especially when Gordon hit that home run. Nothing can change the fact that he is gone, so nothing will change my emotion over that occurrence. All that can change now is our uncovering of what, how, and why it happened.

If he was indeed driving the boat, it still doesn't change very much to me. Should they not be out that late? Okay. Should they not be speeding or what have you? Yeah, I guess not. Going up to that point, I considered that an unfortunate circumstance, like the Titanic meeting an iceberg.

However, if he was driving the boat and he was under the influence, he is at fault for taking away three lives including his own. I have to go back seven years when Nick Adenhart was killed by a drunk driver, because I find there to be no excuse or mistake if somebody operates a massive transport while drunk. My posts on that were as follows:

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-accident.html

Well, I'm no lawyer, prosecutor, or juror of any kind... but in my mind, if you are operating a vehicle while intoxicated, you are in possession of a very deadly weapon. Making the decision to drive beforehand, in my view, is an act of premeditated murder. That's how it should be considered at all times.

That will get these *******s off the streets.

One of my worst two fears in life, aside from any of my future children dying before me, is someone close to me being killed by a drunk driver. I kid you not that I would do whatever it takes to exact vengeance on the person that does that, even if it kills me.

R.I.P. Nick Adenhart.

Keep in mind that those thoughts were most definitely exaggerated and out of anger; I've witness this traumatic sort of event in my life and I'm just thankful that I was not a part of it. I have zero tolerance for people who are intolerably acting against the law, especially minors. I have never drank and don't intend to, but don't take that as me preaching on a higher pedestal than anybody else. I am personally proud of it, but at the same time it should definitely be the norm (this is for minors, mind you). Granted, I'm only 20 years old, so I shouldn't be drinking anyway.

What gets me the most is the guy had a chance to learn from his past mistakes, and it seems he didn't. I understand that we all die and I understand that accidents happen often without alcohol being involved, but I can assure you that 99% of alcohol-related accidents would not have occurred had it not been... well... alcohol-related.

Anyway, it was extreme for me to say that I would do whatever it takes, because though I feel that the person that did it should pay insurmountable reprimands, I don't know if I could willingly do it with no regard of my own personal well being. In other words, it would be just as wrong to 'stoop to their level' in ensuring that they are punished for their acts.

I do not belief the "disease" excuse for one second. I know I have not ever studied these kinds of things at all, but I can not find any way that the disease known as "alcoholism" put him behind the wheel of that car. If he is diseased, he should be quarantined from society. Enough said.

Unfortunately, it took them a second instance and three deaths later, including that of a rising young star and a heavy influence on many Angels and baseball fans, to make that ultimate decision of 55 to life.

I'm sorry, how is a DUI a mistake? I just don't believe in that kind of thing. It's not a mistake, you're warned your entire life. It is an idiotic, illegal act that deserves punishment. If they weren't pulled over for serve offense for that DUI, they could have done exactly what happened here and we never would have known what could have been prevented otherwise.

I'm not saying 51 to life, but yes it should be criminal punishment.

But this is just one man trying to avoid a "mistake" like this happening again. A first or tenth time doesn't matter, you're still potentially putting yourself in the same situation.

If Jose was driving the boat and had intoxicants in his system, he caused this to happen and should be painted as such. I don't know if this makes me feel less of him in any sort of way, but it certainly doesn't make me feel less of his death. The fact that he died is the sad part, whether he was drunk, not drunk... they could make mention of a suicide note for all we know... it makes absolutely no difference for me whatsoever that he is gone and that I wish it wasn't so. I would say the same for his friends (especially the one who was out there to try and keep things at an even keel), but I do not know them and cannot say much about them at this point.

However, given these new facts, I would ideally place him at fault, but more simply just wish that these things weren't true. As is normally the case with these things, more things just begin to develop and normally just makes matters worse in the end. They shouldn't have been out there, and they faced consequences due to their actions alone. Had they gone home, they would likely still be alive, and we wouldn't be having this conversation. But my stance comes more from had he not had alcohol and cocaine in his system, I also have this firm belief that they would have made it safely to shore. I can't really forgive him for what he did and I think they got what they had coming for them, but that can coincide with me just wishing this all wasn't so either, no matter what it is he did or attempted to do.

I still have no sympathy for the result of his actions. Only his death.