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  • DamnYanks2
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    • Jun 2007
    • 20794

    #151
    Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

    Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
    I feel like all the starters are either mediocre or have exorbitant price tags that would cost us too much. I think if we go after a starter, the package has to be built around Mateo right?

    Ken Rosenthal says we may look to shop Dellin. Not the kid from Washington Heights, not the star of the new gif of destiny, not Dellin.
    Yea because Torres and Frazier are basically untouchable, it would be for a play for a mediocre starter /innings eater.

    Dealing Dellin is a real possibility. Yankees certainly have the bullpen depth to deal him. If something great came along. I'd probably do it.

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    • ShowTyme15
      LADetermined
      • Jan 2004
      • 11853

      #152
      Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

      Originally posted by DamnYanks2
      Yea because Torres and Frazier are basically untouchable, it would be for a play for a mediocre starter /innings eater.

      Dealing Dellin is a real possibility. Yankees certainly have the bullpen depth to deal him. If something great came along. I'd probably do it.

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      If they trade for a controllable starter Betances is probably where the conversation starts.

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      • pietasterp
        All Star
        • Feb 2004
        • 6237

        #153
        Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

        Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
        Yeah, the whole win one for the gipper thing with Mike Ilitch was painful to watch year after year. And I consider the Tigers my AL team after living in Ann Arbor for 5 years and going to Comerica a bunch of times during the Brandon Inge/Todd Jones era, so I'm hoping this front office can actually rebuild it.
        Yep, it really was painful to watch. Everyone knew that this core was done after the 2013 ALCS loss to Boston (man, talk about painful....), but they kept flogging the lifeless body 'cuz no one wanted the rebuild on the old man's watch (RIP). If it was gonna happen, it would have happened in 2013. It didn't, and we subsequently spent the next 3 seasons throwing good money after bad, all the while borrowing against the future.

        Originally posted by rdnk
        Not a fan of this return. While Banda was too much to hope for, Socrates Brito would have been ideal, since he was blocked in Arizona and the Tigers have a need in the OF. Domingo Leyba could have been Kinsler's replacement in a few years. We already have an Alcantara, his name is Dixon Machado. We would have been better off with the 1st rounder if he left in FA.

        This is the kind of deal the Tigers would come out of nowhere to pull 5 years ago, getting an impact bat for a trio of ho-hum prospects.

        Avila and Wilson are up next. Kinsler would be a good trade candidate, but most good teams have a 2B.
        Originally posted by l3ulvl
        I'm already ready for Big Al to go.

        Announce to the world you're selling in the offseason, then give away your only CF who happens to be coming off a good season and has a nice contract... for nothing

        Make no other moves.

        Announce again you're selling at the deadline. Panic 2 weeks early and give JD away for not much.

        This is a deal you get at the last minute when it starts to look like you won't get anything, not a deal you make with 2 weeks left and plenty of time to negotiate. Not that I was expecting a haul for JD, but I figured it would be more than this
        Agree, but from what I understand (obviously I have no idea, just relaying what I've been reading), the market for short-term rental bats among contending teams has pretty much dried up to nothing. Perhaps a more savvy GM could have gotten more, but I don't even know what more would look like, to be honest. Prospects are always a crap-shoot; even highly rated or 'top prospects' are like high school recruiting - never know how it's going to turn out. I think you have to wait to see what happens in 2 years or so to really know what value we got out of this (if any).

        But if no one was really making any offers on JD Martinez, you have to take whatever you can get for him. Sure, waiting and letting some contenders get anxious would be the best, but what if he gets injured in the next 2 weeks? What if the only team with serious interest pulls the trigger on another deal in the meantime? The bottom line is Martinez is gone after the year, so getting something is probably better than getting nothing.

        The market for Kinsler at this point is pretty much zero, from what I'm reading. The only chip we have right now that anyone would seriously consider is Justin Wilson, so we'll see what he brings back to us. Avila is probably worth something as well, but a 2nd catcher in a buyer's market? Not holding my breath there.

        Tear-downs are painful.

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        • redsox4evur
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2013
          • 18169

          #154
          Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

          Originally posted by Speedy
          There's a thing on ESPN with Olney saying Boston should try to get Machado.

          If they do call, Baltimore should immediately tell them to shove it and hang up the phone.

          I agree that from a fans perspective they should hang up the phone immediately. But from a team perspective it would make sense to kinda start listening to offers on him. There is no guarantee he is going to resign after next season. And they would get a haul in return for him if he isn't a rental. A team like the Sox they could easily get our young major league talent (JBJ, and Benintendi) as well as prospects. Just names I was thinking of last night, nothing I heard from anyone official.


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          • ShowTyme15
            LADetermined
            • Jan 2004
            • 11853

            #155
            Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

            Report: Dodgers have had discussions with the Marlins about Giancarlo Stanton

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            • countryboy
              Growing pains
              • Sep 2003
              • 52692

              #156
              Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

              Originally posted by ShowTyme15
              Report: Dodgers have had discussions with the Marlins about Giancarlo Stanton

              If able to pull a trade off, do they part with Puig?



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              • WaitTilNextYear
                Go Cubs Go
                • Mar 2013
                • 16830

                #157
                Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                Originally posted by redsox4evur
                I agree that from a fans perspective they should hang up the phone immediately. But from a team perspective it would make sense to kinda start listening to offers on him. There is no guarantee he is going to resign after next season. And they would get a haul in return for him if he isn't a rental. A team like the Sox they could easily get our young major league talent (JBJ, and Benintendi) as well as prospects. Just names I was thinking of last night, nothing I heard from anyone official.


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                Says the Red Sox fan

                Originally posted by ShowTyme15
                Report: Dodgers have had discussions with the Marlins about Giancarlo Stanton
                How many years in a row has this same rumor been recycled? Hasn't he been going to LAD/BOS for about 3 years now?
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                • ShowTyme15
                  LADetermined
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 11853

                  #158
                  Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                  Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                  Says the Red Sox fan



                  How many years in a row has this same rumor been recycled? Hasn't he been going to LAD/BOS for about 3 years now?
                  True, but there is a chance he does get dealt this year. Might be slim, but LA would be ideal considering we have the money and he's from the LA area. We also need a RH bat.

                  The rumors have always been him and Boston from what I am aware of. This is the first year LA has really been in on it since Miami is reportedly willing to part with him.
                  Last edited by ShowTyme15; 07-19-2017, 03:28 PM.

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                  • ShowTyme15
                    LADetermined
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 11853

                    #159
                    Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                    Originally posted by countryboy
                    If able to pull a trade off, do they part with Puig?



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                    Pretty sure he would be included in a deal like that. He hasn't been that bad this year, but I think a change of scenery is in order soon.

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                    • SPTO
                      binging
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 68046

                      #160
                      Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                      Originally posted by ShowTyme15
                      Report: Dodgers have had discussions with the Marlins about Giancarlo Stanton
                      Well at least that's one of the teams in an earlier report that's after Stanton. He'd be HUGE in LA. I doubt it happens. I know Loria is looking to sell off assets ahead of his selling the actual team but you trade Stanton away you're killing off a lot of your fanbase in one fell swoop.

                      EDIT: Not that he isn't already huge but his profile would be raised greatly.
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                      • WaitTilNextYear
                        Go Cubs Go
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 16830

                        #161
                        Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                        Originally posted by ShowTyme15
                        True, but there is a chance he does get dealt this year. Might be slim, but LA would be ideal considering we have the money and he's from the LA area. We also need a RH bat.

                        The rumors have always been him and Boston from what I am aware of. This is the first year LA has really been in on it since Miami is reportedly willing to part with him.
                        There have definitely been LA rumors with Stanton in the past 2-3 years. He's also been connected to Boston and New York with varying degrees of breathless reporting by internet "sources." I know we've gone over seemingly every possible option in the MLB The Show trade forums, too, lol.

                        When is his contract due to escalate dramatically? That's when Loria will be sure to dump him....According to Cot's Contracts, Stanton goes from $14.5MM this season to $25MM next season, with the contract (should he opt in) escalating toward $32MM/yr in the following years. I doubt Loria has an appetite for that seeing that he's a cheapskate who loves screwing his fanbase over and over.
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                        • SPTO
                          binging
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 68046

                          #162
                          Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                          The Royals are looking for 2 cost effective rental SPs Jaime Garcia and Marco Estrada are the names being thrown around. They're also looking for relief help.
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                          • ShowTyme15
                            LADetermined
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 11853

                            #163
                            Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                            Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                            There have definitely been LA rumors with Stanton in the past 2-3 years. He's also been connected to Boston and New York with varying degrees of breathless reporting by internet "sources." I know we've gone over seemingly every possible option in the MLB The Show trade forums, too, lol.

                            When is his contract due to escalate dramatically? That's when Loria will be sure to dump him....According to Cot's Contracts, Stanton goes from $14.5MM this season to $25MM next season, with the contract (should he opt in) escalating toward $32MM/yr in the following years. I doubt Loria has an appetite for that seeing that he's a cheapskate who loves screwing his fanbase over and over.
                            The thing is though Loria wont be around for that since he's selling the team. They are showing willingness to trade everyone on the roster as well. People think his contract is hard to trade, but it's not if the Marlins pay some of it down, which Ken Rosenthal recently reported the Marlins are willing to do to facilitate a trade with a good return. His opt out kicks in around 2020 so any team getting him now will get 2 1/2 years at minimum so they should get a pretty good haul for the guy if they do trade him.

                            All I know is they have had preliminary talks for Stanton (LA) but nothing that would indicate a fore sure deal. Not saying the Marlins will trade him or he's going to LA, but this time of year tends front office execs. tend to surprise us.
                            Last edited by ShowTyme15; 07-19-2017, 06:35 PM.

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                            • WaitTilNextYear
                              Go Cubs Go
                              • Mar 2013
                              • 16830

                              #164
                              Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                              Originally posted by ShowTyme15
                              The thing is though Loria wont be around for that since he's selling the team. They are showing willingness to trade everyone on the roster as well. People think his contract is hard to trade, but it's not if the Marlins pay some of it down, which Ken Rosenthal recently reported the Marlins are willing to do to facilitate a trade with a good return. His opt out kicks in around 2020 so any team getting him now will get 2 1/2 years at minimum so they should get a pretty good haul for the guy if they do trade him.
                              Good point about selling the team. I'm not sure when he expects to close on a deal. You wonder if having Stanton makes the asking price lucrative enough to keep him until after the sale goes through. That way he also avoids the inevitable bad press, not that he probably cares--he used to being hated.
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                              • ShowTyme15
                                LADetermined
                                • Jan 2004
                                • 11853

                                #165
                                Re: 2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

                                Originally posted by WaitTilNextYear
                                Good point about selling the team. I'm not sure when he expects to close on a deal. You wonder if having Stanton makes the asking price lucrative enough to keep him until after the sale goes through. That way he avoids the inevitable bad press, not that he probably cares--he used to being hated.
                                People of Florida agree with you I am sure. At this point Loria probably doesn't care, but trading Stanton now would help the team out down the road with the haul they'll get. As you stated though with the team up for sale and everything in limbo right now holding onto Stanton might be best until new ownership comes in and figures out what they want to do. The way the team is constructed now they aren't going anywhere for a while. If you can get assets for your future now I say go for it. They have more than just Stanton they can trade for future prospects.

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