2017 MLB Trade Deadline Thread

[rkwittem]

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No way I give one of them up for Gray, I wouldn't say they go nowhere with the staff they have. Severino is lights out right now, C.C is very experienced and gives you 5 with that bullpen behind him, Montgomery is pitching really well more times then not. Who in the AL has a staff for the playoffs that hands down beats them 3? I would say Clev., don't dare tell me Houston, outside of Keachel who's been injured they are just as unproven and shaky come playoffs, not Boston or any of the other could be WC teams. I'm not saying their staff is great or doesn't have holes but nobody in the AL imo can say they are going in with a dominant playoff staff


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I'll play along with your theory. I say the most likely playoff teams are Cleveland, Houston, Boston. You can include KC or TB but they seem destined for a WC game. Going strictly off of who is most likely making it, the pitching rotations look like so for a 7 game series: (I'm spitballing here, I don't know how these managers will try to slot their rotations and manage days of rest, home/away, etc.)

Game 1: Severino vs. Kluber/Keuchel/Sale

Game 2: Tanaka vs. Carrasco/McCullers/Price

Game 3: CC vs. Salazar/Morton/Pomeranz

(Guessing here that NY won't use a young arm like Severino on 3 days' rest)

Game 4: Montgomery vs. Kluber/Keuchel/Sale

Game 5: Severino vs. Carrasco/McCullers/Price

Game 6: Tanaka vs. Salazar/Morton/Pomeranz

Game 7: CC vs. Kluber/Keuchel/Sale


I'm sure you'll argue it's not hands down but I've boldened the matchups I think are tilted against NY.

Getting a Sonny Gray makes Game 3 a very winnable, maybe even highly favorable option for the Yankees. Then they can hope Montgomery doesn't kill their bullpen and/or that Tanaka and Severino can steal games 5-6. It's the same reason why Houston and LA on the NL side wants Gray. He's outstanding.

Regarding Houston, who you seem to be treating like a bunch of scrubs: the last time they were in the playoffs, they beat NY and took the eventual champs to 5 games in the ALDS with a much lesser roster than they have currently. Fully healthy, they are the clear-cut best team in the AL. That doesn't mean they'd beat the Indians or Red Sox or Yankees, but they should be heavily favored in every playoff series.

There are 3 main points I want taken away from this whole exchange:

1. Playoff runs aren't guaranteed on an annual basis for the Yankees anymore

2. Torres isn't untouchably good, or you would have never gotten him for a rental reliever. The Cubs felt they'd be just fine with a middle IF 3-some of Baez/Russell/Ian Happ for their own foreseeable future. So please, don't act like he's some all-time great talent in the minors. You guys are acting like he's 20 year old A-Rod.

3. All Star caliber pitchers with years of control like Gray aren't available very often and are a lot more valuable than closers like Chapman, who you got Torres for.

I've said my piece.

[PhilliesFan13]

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Phillies have traded Jeremy Hellickson to the Orioles.

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[DamnYanks2]

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I'll play along with your theory. I say the most likely playoff teams are Cleveland, Houston, Boston. You can include KC or TB but they seem destined for a WC game. Going strictly off of who is most likely making it, the pitching rotations look like so for a 7 game series: (I'm spitballing here, I don't know how these managers will try to slot their rotations and manage days of rest, home/away, etc.)

Game 1: Severino vs. Kluber/Keuchel/Sale

Game 2: Tanaka vs. Carrasco/McCullers/Price

Game 3: CC vs. Salazar/Morton/Pomeranz

(Guessing here that NY won't use a young arm like Severino on 3 days' rest)

Game 4: Montgomery vs. Kluber/Keuchel/Sale

Game 5: Severino vs. Carrasco/McCullers/Price

Game 6: Tanaka vs. Salazar/Morton/Pomeranz

Game 7: CC vs. Kluber/Keuchel/Sale


I'm sure you'll argue it's not hands down but I've boldened the matchups I think are tilted against NY.

Getting a Sonny Gray makes Game 3 a very winnable, maybe even highly favorable option for the Yankees. Then they can hope Montgomery doesn't kill their bullpen and/or that Tanaka and Severino can steal games 5-6. It's the same reason why Houston and LA on the NL side wants Gray. He's outstanding.

Regarding Houston, who you seem to be treating like a bunch of scrubs: the last time they were in the playoffs, they beat NY and took the eventual champs to 5 games in the ALDS with a much lesser roster than they have currently. Fully healthy, they are the clear-cut best team in the AL. That doesn't mean they'd beat the Indians or Red Sox or Yankees, but they should be heavily favored in every playoff series.

There are 3 main points I want taken away from this whole exchange:

1. Playoff runs aren't guaranteed on an annual basis for the Yankees anymore

2. Torres isn't untouchably good, or you would have never gotten him for a rental reliever. The Cubs felt they'd be just fine with a middle IF 3-some of Baez/Russell/Ian Happ for their own foreseeable future. So please, don't act like he's some all-time great talent in the minors. You guys are acting like he's 20 year old A-Rod.

3. All Star caliber pitchers with years of control like Gray aren't available very often and are a lot more valuable than closers like Chapman, who you got Torres for.

I've said my piece.

Well the Cubs probably didn't think he'd be this good, and it happened quickly plus they were desperate . He's a corner piece going forward.

Torres is a big part of the future. He's not some expendable prospect. Look what Judge and Sanchez have done overnight for this organization. You can't just flip prospects like they are nothing. Mistakes the Yankees made years ago. Frazier and Torres are the future. What if we flipped Judge and Sanchez or gave up on Severino?

Yankees are building a nasty core and shedding payroll for the upcoming years. They have a excellent farm system, young core, and $$$. There's no reason to go all in right now.

A's can pick from other prospects. Mateo, Sheffield, Florial. Or kick rocks.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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Phillies have traded Jeremy Hellickson to the Orioles.

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Not sure I understand this move for Baltimore. They are pretty much dead meat. But, Hellickson should make them suck a little bit less.

I shudder to think of how Baltimore has let their starting rotation go over the past 5 years. Almost the exact opposite to their World Series champ teams way back when with Jim Palmer et al.

[DamnYanks2]

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Just to add on. RK you're vastly underrating Torres. There's a reason he's a top 3 prospect. And thats with him being injured.

Is he a young A-Rod? Probably not. But he's got superstar talent. You just don't flip Frazier or Torres. Two position players for a often injured starter.

Remember you said on here Severino would never become a dependable starter. And look he's are freaking ace.

Now I'm not saying I saw that coming. But you get my drift.


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[countryboy]

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Why does Baltimore want Hellickson???

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Just to add on. RK you're vastly underrating Torres. There's a reason he's a top 3 prospect. And thats with him being injured.

Is he a young A-Rod? Probably not. But he's got superstar talent. You just don't flip Frazier or Torres. Two position players for a often injured starter.

Remember you said on here Severino would never become a dependable starter. And look he's are freaking ace.

Now I'm not saying I saw that coming. But you get my drift.


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I really don't think this is the case. Torres profiles more as the steady .280 hitter with 15-20 homers and average-to-solid defense. He's not a superstar type or a freak athlete type, imo. He strikes me as more of a higher floor version of Starlin Castro with slightly less offensive upside and slightly more defensive upside.

That said, Sonny Gray is no real great prize either. Do I really want to trade my best prospect for a 5'10" starter who had a 5.69 ERA and a HR problem last year? And cross my fingers that his career 3.42 ERA doesn't balloon upon going from the Coliseum to Yankee Stadium? That's a pass for me. I'd be much more interested in bringing Darvish to the Big Apple and possibly keeping Torres.

[DamnYanks2]

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I really don't think this is the case. Torres profiles more as the steady .280 hitter with 15-20 homers and average-to-solid defense. He's not a superstar type or a freak athlete type, imo. He strikes me as more of a higher floor version of Starlin Castro with slightly less offensive upside and slightly more defensive upside.

That said, Sonny Gray is no real great prize either. Do I really want to trade my best prospect for a 5'10" starter who had a 5.69 ERA and a HR problem last year? And cross my fingers that his career 3.42 ERA doesn't balloon upon going from the Coliseum to Yankee Stadium? That's a pass for me. I'd be much more interested in bringing Darvish to the Big Apple and possibly keeping Torres.

And time will tell. I don't put all my stock into prospect lists. But there is a reason he leapfrogged into being a top 3 guy. I just don't want to see him turn into a star down the road in a A's uniform. He could have very well been our answer at 3b this year had he stayed healthy.

Sonny Gray would certainly be a excellent option to have but the Yankees don't have to be desperate.

I too would prefer a Darvish rental. But that price will be high. Possibly Detroit could demand a few prospects and a salary dump.

But I don't feel the Yankees need to be desperate at all. Playing with house money as it is.





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[DamnYanks2]

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And time will tell. I don't put all my stock into prospect lists. But there is a reason he leapfrogged into being a top 3 guy. I just don't want to see him turn into a star down the road in a A's uniform. He could have very well been our answer at 3b this year had he stayed healthy.

Sonny Gray would certainly be a excellent option to have but the Yankees don't have to be desperate.

I too would prefer a Darvish rental. But that price will be high. Possibly Detroit could demand a few prospects and a salary dump for Verlander.

But I don't feel the Yankees need to be desperate at all. Playing with house money as it is.





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[PhilliesFan13]

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Phillies are getting Double-A pitcher Garrett Cleavinger, international bonus money and a Major League player not named yet.

Second trade tonight for the Phillies with them getting international bonus money.

Apparently Hyun Soo Kim is coming to the Phillies. I don't get this trade at all. I can see the Minor League pitcher, but Kim? We have enough outfielders as it is right now.

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[WaitTilNextYear]

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And time will tell. I don't put all my stock into prospect lists. But there is a reason he leapfrogged into being a top 3 guy. I just don't want to see him turn into a star down the road in a A's uniform. He could have very well been our answer at 3b this year had he stayed healthy.

Sonny Gray would certainly be a excellent option to have but the Yankees don't have to be desperate.

I too would prefer a Darvish rental. But that price will be high. Possibly Detroit could demand a few prospects and a salary dump.

But I don't feel the Yankees need to be desperate at all. Playing with house money as it is.

I agree with your sentiment. This is the opening of the Yankees window. As long as Judge and Severino keep doing what they're doing and Cashman fills in with complementary pieces, the Yankees should be competitive for a while. Losing Pineda really hurts for this year's chances, imo. There's no reason to mortgage the future for a 5% better chance at winning a playoff series.

The reason the prospect lists are all over Gleyber is 1. he is very talented, and 2. he hit .403 in the AFL last fall and won MVP--the prospect hounds are really bad at overreacting to recent events and relatively small samples like that. Gleyber has a .282/.360/.416 line over 4 minor league seasons. Granted he's been younger than the competition at each stop, but that's not overpowering like you'd expect for a budding superstar. Plus the arm surgery. He's certainly worth more than 1.5 years of Sonny Gray though.

[rkwittem]

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Just to add on. RK you're vastly underrating Torres. There's a reason he's a top 3 prospect. And thats with him being injured.

Is he a young A-Rod? Probably not. But he's got superstar talent. You just don't flip Frazier or Torres. Two position players for a often injured starter.

Remember you said on here Severino would never become a dependable starter. And look he's are freaking ace.

Now I'm not saying I saw that coming. But you get my drift.


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Looks like I whiffed on that one.

I agree with your sentiment. This is the opening of the Yankees window. As long as Judge and Severino keep doing what they're doing and Cashman fills in with complementary pieces, the Yankees should be competitive for a while. Losing Pineda really hurts for this year's chances, imo. There's no reason to mortgage the future for a 5% better chance at winning a playoff series.

The reason the prospect lists are all over Gleyber is 1. he is very talented, and 2. he hit .403 in the AFL last fall and won MVP--the prospect hounds are really bad at overreacting to recent events and relatively small samples like that. Gleyber has a .282/.360/.416 line over 4 minor league seasons. Granted he's been younger than the competition at each stop, but that's not overpowering like you'd expect for a budding superstar. Plus the arm surgery. He's certainly worth more than 1.5 years of Sonny Gray though.

Trading one prospect is not mortgaging the future. All I hear on MLB Network is "loaded Yankees farm system". Surely dealing one prospect does not constitute "mortgaging the future?"

[WaitTilNextYear]

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Trading one prospect is not mortgaging the future. All I hear on MLB Network is "loaded Yankees farm system". Surely dealing one prospect does not constitute "mortgaging the future?"

No, not necessarily. But, there may be other prospects involved with him in a potential trade. I also think the Yankees are better off with 6+ years of Gleyber Torres playing SS at a possible All-Star (or at least solidly above average regular) level while making almost no money than they are with 1.5 years of adding Sonny Gray to what they already have. I don't think the calculus works on this unless you feel like Sonny Gray is that last piece that gets you solidly into the ALCS/World Series mix.

[Nulap]

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Mets acquire A.J. Ramos.

Tha ****?

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My guess is Reed is soon to be packing his bags.

[Trent Booty]

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O's only got Hellickson just to eat innings.