2021-2022 Hot Stove Thread

[reyes the roof]

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I thought there was a point in the off-season where draft pick compensation was removed for free agents? I'm surprised Conforto still has it attached to him.

I don’t know if it’s changed, but the last I remember the date when the draft pick compensation is no longer tied to a free agent is sometime after the season starts. This is going back to when Stephen Drew was a free agent though so it was quite a while ago

[Majingir]

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Jays release Greg Bird.

He wasn't going to be added to the 40 man roster, aka he wouldn't make the opening day roster, so he exercised his release clause.

I guess Katoh will be making the team then since they really don't have any other options for 1B on the bench.

[Master Live 013]

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The Union doesn't want a salary floor (because it would mean a salary cap even though we essentially have a de facto cap), let's remember that. Let's scrap revenue sharing and see how teams behave then.

[Majingir]

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The Union doesn't want a salary floor (because it would mean a salary cap even though we essentially have a de facto cap), let's remember that. Let's scrap revenue sharing and see how teams behave then.

If not a hard floor, at the very least there should be a soft floor where if you don't reach it, you're limited on the percentage you get from revenue sharing. So teams can still go below if they choose, but they just won't be getting as much money.

[DamnYanks2]

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Jays release Greg Bird.

He wasn't going to be added to the 40 man roster, aka he wouldn't make the opening day roster, so he exercised his release clause.

I guess Katoh will be making the team then since they really don't have any other options for 1B on the bench.

Man he was such a disappointment. I always liked him though. Couldn't ever stay healthy for us though.

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[DamnYanks2]

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Add Julio Rodriguez to the list of top prospects playing on Opening Day.



By order of the Top 100, we've got



#1 Bobby Witt, Jr.

#3 Julio Rodriguez

#4 Spencer Torkelson



#2 Adley Rutschman and #5 Riley Greene are injured, or they would've also made their big league clubs for Opening Day.

This is good for baseball. Very good.

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[Majingir]

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Man he was such a disappointment. I always liked him though. Couldn't ever stay healthy for us though.

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Other than his rookie season, he wasn't so good.

Sure, he could hit HRs, but he wasn't even hitting .200. He was the next step above a 30+ year old Chris Davis, which doesn't say much at all.

[rdnk]

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I thought there was a point in the off-season where draft pick compensation was removed for free agents? I'm surprised Conforto still has it attached to him.

I believe he has to wait until the MLB Draft, but I'm not 100% sure.

Texas is another team who have already given up draft picks that he'd make sense for.

I'll believe that the new CBA is working in full force for service time manipulation prevention when I see the Pirates put their top prospects (hello Oneil Cruz being optioned to AAA) on their opening day roster. That said, it is good to see progress.

[DamnYanks2]

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Other than his rookie season, he wasn't so good.

Sure, he could hit HRs, but he wasn't even hitting .200. He was the next step above a 30+ year old Chris Davis, which doesn't say much at all.

No but he lost alot of valuable reps to injury. He never got right again.

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[KingOfLanglade]

2021-2022 Hot Stove Thread

Tanking vs just not spending are two different things.

MLB is the one you notice the most because of the different in payroll, which is why MLB needs a salary floor.

You can still spend while tanking, and like teams in other sports do, you can always sign guys to a 1 year deal, and move them at the deadline which allows you to help your rebuild.

But when teams who can be competitive just sell off assets because they "can't afford it", that's when you have a problem. At least in other sports if guys move on, its usually because they just don't want to be there anymore (NBA is the big example)

So essentially you are saying you’d be okay with MLB Teams actively trying to lose if they did so at a specific payroll number? To me, we are just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic at that point.

The core of my post was to point out that nothing of real significant value exists in between full on rebuild or contender in any professional sport.

As someone who is a lifelong Milwaukee Bucks Fan, the Herb Kohl years were brutal. The constant goal to be the perpetual #8 seed eventually led the franchise to the brink of relocation. I can promise you $70 million dollars of John Salmons and Drew Gooden didn’t make the team anymore palatable. It did, however, lead to decisions like Tobias Harris (promising two way wing) getting traded for 20 games of JJ Redick (who didn’t wanna come to Milwaukee) just so the Bucks could finish 8 games under .500 and get swept by Miami in the first round.

[Majingir]

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So essentially you are saying you’d be okay with MLB Teams actively trying to lose if they did so at a specific payroll number? To me, we are just rearranging deck chairs on the titanic at that point.

The core of my post was to point out that nothing of real significant value exists in between full on rebuild or contender in any professional sport.

I meant I'd be on board with getting rid of cheap owner mentality, as other sports have proven you can still do a rebuild while spending some money and turning that spent money into assets, rather than spending as little as possible to either rebuild or just to not spend it at all.

But I agree though, if you're not contending and not rebuilding, that's the worst spot to be on. I know that from too many years of the Jays not contending but not rebuilding either.

[CBoller1331]

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Austin Meadows to the Tigers for Isaac Paredes and a competitive balance-B pick in this years draft

[TripleCrown9]

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I'm really looking forward to seeing this kid's career.

[DamnYanks2]

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Tigers actually fielding a competent lineup

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[AUTiger1]

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To a degree yes they working, But some teams like Oakland have no interest in trying to win right now

I should have been more clear, I was specifically talking about the ones rewarding teams for playing their rookies straight out of the gate. We're seeing several top prospects be added to the opening day roster and that would have never happened under the old CBA rules. It's so exciting to see.