Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

[Mr. Bee]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Im surprised you quoted me since I already said that I thought Joe D hit around .410 during the streak. I already said that in some of the games he had more than one hit. Your point about him not hitting .257 isnt one really for that reason. But the idea behind a hitting streak is something that could conceivably lead to someone hitting .257...this is the result of getting exactly one hit in each game. Theres nothing special about hitting .257. If you want to say the streak was good because Joe D hit around .410 during 56 games that would be one thing but one is not required to hit in each game to hit .410 over 56 games. People who do that (hit .410 over 56 games) typically are pretty decent players as well.

The point of the matter is that he did something that every single player has tried to do every single game of every single season since, and nobody has ever gotten really that close to it - not even close enough for us to talk about it. I mean, Luis Castillo was what, 20 games away and the entire sports nation was buzzing about it... it is the one holy grail of baseball records, the one that it doesnt matter who you play for, where the fence distance and how much you bench doesnt factor in. Its something that anybody can do - I mean, anybody can hit .250 right?

Everybody has tried, every game, and NOBODY has ever come close. Not Williams, not Rose, not Gwynn... NOBODY. It is THE single season milestone in baseball, and absolutely phenomonal once you comprehend how difficult it is.

[Ed_Farias]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Actually Rose got pretty close I think, 46 or 48 if I remember right?

But yeah, every year it is talked about. It's a great record, but still not 4256 career hits. The greatest hitters of recent times have retired just barely after hitting 3000. Boggs, Gwynn, Molitor. It's insane that they were 1000+ hits away from the record.

[Ed_Farias]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Actually Rose got pretty close I think, 46 or 48 if I remember right?

But yeah, every year it is talked about. It's a great record, but still not 4256 career hits. The greatest hitters of recent times have retired just barely after hitting 3000. Boggs, Gwynn, Molitor. It's insane that they were 1000+ hits away from the record.

[Mr. Bee]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Actually Rose got pretty close I think, 46 or 48 if I remember right?

But yeah, every year it is talked about. It's a great record, but still not 4256 career hits. The greatest hitters of recent times have retired just barely after hitting 3000. Boggs, Gwynn, Molitor. It's insane that they were 1000+ hits away from the record.

Yes, I agree its nowhere near some of the career records like hits and strikeouts... but as far as single season records go, there is nothing that can top it.

[Mr. Bee]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Actually Rose got pretty close I think, 46 or 48 if I remember right?

But yeah, every year it is talked about. It's a great record, but still not 4256 career hits. The greatest hitters of recent times have retired just barely after hitting 3000. Boggs, Gwynn, Molitor. It's insane that they were 1000+ hits away from the record.

Yes, I agree its nowhere near some of the career records like hits and strikeouts... but as far as single season records go, there is nothing that can top it.

[glucklich]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

The point of the matter is that he did something that every single player has tried to do every single game of every single season since, and nobody has ever gotten really that close to it - not even close enough for us to talk about it. I mean, Luis Castillo was what, 20 games away and the entire sports nation was buzzing about it... it is the one holy grail of baseball records, the one that it doesnt matter who you play for, where the fence distance and how much you bench doesnt factor in. Its something that anybody can do - I mean, anybody can hit .250 right?

Everybody has tried, every game, and NOBODY has ever come close. Not Williams, not Rose, not Gwynn... NOBODY. It is THE single season milestone in baseball, and absolutely phenomonal once you comprehend how difficult it is.

It receives adulation from those who love numbers just for the sake of loving numbers. Again, it doesnt really matter whether someone had the same amount of hits, in the same amount of at bats over the same amount of games. Also, it does matter what team you play on and whether you are protected in the lineup.

[glucklich]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

The point of the matter is that he did something that every single player has tried to do every single game of every single season since, and nobody has ever gotten really that close to it - not even close enough for us to talk about it. I mean, Luis Castillo was what, 20 games away and the entire sports nation was buzzing about it... it is the one holy grail of baseball records, the one that it doesnt matter who you play for, where the fence distance and how much you bench doesnt factor in. Its something that anybody can do - I mean, anybody can hit .250 right?

Everybody has tried, every game, and NOBODY has ever come close. Not Williams, not Rose, not Gwynn... NOBODY. It is THE single season milestone in baseball, and absolutely phenomonal once you comprehend how difficult it is.

It receives adulation from those who love numbers just for the sake of loving numbers. Again, it doesnt really matter whether someone had the same amount of hits, in the same amount of at bats over the same amount of games. Also, it does matter what team you play on and whether you are protected in the lineup.

[SportsTop]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Im surprised you quoted me since I already said that I thought Joe D hit around .410 during the streak. I already said that in some of the games he had more than one hit. Your point about him not hitting .257 isnt one really for that reason. But the idea behind a hitting streak is something that could conceivably lead to someone hitting .257...this is the result of getting exactly one hit in each game. Theres nothing special about hitting .257. If you want to say the streak was good because Joe D hit around .410 during 56 games that would be one thing but one is not required to hit in each game to hit .410 over 56 games. People who do that (hit .410 over 56 games) typically are pretty decent players as well.

You are extracting one piece of information to fit your argument from something that requires you to look at the entire body of work to appreciate its significance.

My intent was to void your argument, which in my opinion, I succeeded.

[SportsTop]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Im surprised you quoted me since I already said that I thought Joe D hit around .410 during the streak. I already said that in some of the games he had more than one hit. Your point about him not hitting .257 isnt one really for that reason. But the idea behind a hitting streak is something that could conceivably lead to someone hitting .257...this is the result of getting exactly one hit in each game. Theres nothing special about hitting .257. If you want to say the streak was good because Joe D hit around .410 during 56 games that would be one thing but one is not required to hit in each game to hit .410 over 56 games. People who do that (hit .410 over 56 games) typically are pretty decent players as well.

You are extracting one piece of information to fit your argument from something that requires you to look at the entire body of work to appreciate its significance.

My intent was to void your argument, which in my opinion, I succeeded.

[SportsTop]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

It receives adulation from those who love numbers just for the sake of loving numbers. Again, it doesnt really matter whether someone had the same amount of hits, in the same amount of at bats over the same amount of games. Also, it does matter what team you play on and whether you are protected in the lineup.

Isn't baseball a game based on numbers?

[SportsTop]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

It receives adulation from those who love numbers just for the sake of loving numbers. Again, it doesnt really matter whether someone had the same amount of hits, in the same amount of at bats over the same amount of games. Also, it does matter what team you play on and whether you are protected in the lineup.

Isn't baseball a game based on numbers?

[glucklich]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

You are extracting one piece of information to fit your argument from something that requires you to look at the entire body of work to appreciate its significance.

My intent was to void your argument, which in my opinion, I succeeded.

What did you accomplich other than repeating part of something I already discussed. I asked you in return whether the hitting streak in and of itself (ie the concept of getting A hit in each game) or whether he hit around .410 during the streak was more significant. You couldnt even answer this but claim to have accomplished something by repeating me. Im guessing you could take several increments of 56 games from that 1941 season where Ted Williams hit well over .410. Who cares if the hits in that span was spread over each of 56 games.

[glucklich]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

You are extracting one piece of information to fit your argument from something that requires you to look at the entire body of work to appreciate its significance.

My intent was to void your argument, which in my opinion, I succeeded.

What did you accomplich other than repeating part of something I already discussed. I asked you in return whether the hitting streak in and of itself (ie the concept of getting A hit in each game) or whether he hit around .410 during the streak was more significant. You couldnt even answer this but claim to have accomplished something by repeating me. Im guessing you could take several increments of 56 games from that 1941 season where Ted Williams hit well over .410. Who cares if the hits in that span was spread over each of 56 games.

[glucklich]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Isn't baseball a game based on numbers?

Yes and so is the guinness book of world records...in other words there can be a fine line between being fascinated with oddity vs. accomplishment.

[glucklich]

Re: Does anyone foresee a day where Maris will be in the HOF?

Isn't baseball a game based on numbers?

Yes and so is the guinness book of world records...in other words there can be a fine line between being fascinated with oddity vs. accomplishment.