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  • redsrule
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    • Apr 2010
    • 9396

    #511
    re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

    I think we are going to regress next year regardless of who replaces Dusty. Arroyo, who has been a consistent #3 guy will be gone, as will Choo, who was arguably the MVP of this team. Unless Hamilton can get on base at around a .350-.375 clip, it will be tough to replace him.
    I've been waiting for Jacoby to go for a while too Case lol. Hopefully he is next.
    I obviously hope I'm wrong and we light the world on fire next year and win a World Series title.
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    • HustlinOwl
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      • Mar 2004
      • 9713

      #512
      re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

      Originally posted by CaseIH
      I hate Rigglequitter is in the conversation as manager. We have enough quit in this team we dont need a manager that is a quitter.
      I love Price as a Pitching coach, but I dont know how well he would fare as a manager. I guess after having Dusty's laid back approach I would rather have someone with some fire, not sure if Price is that guy.

      Im just happy that Jacoby should be losing his job, I have been waiting for this day since 2011:wink: Im sure whoever Walt hires will do a solid job, the talent is there, just need a push in the right direction is all.
      talent where??? 3B,SS,LF,CF,C all areas of need unless giving keys to Hamilton in CF

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      • HustlinOwl
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        • Mar 2004
        • 9713

        #513
        re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

        Originally posted by redsrule
        I think we are going to regress next year regardless of who replaces Dusty. Arroyo, who has been a consistent #3 guy will be gone, as will Choo, who was arguably the MVP of this team. Unless Hamilton can get on base at around a .350-.375 clip, it will be tough to replace him.
        I've been waiting for Jacoby to go for a while too Case lol. Hopefully he is next.
        I obviously hope I'm wrong and we light the world on fire next year and win a World Series title.
        so with this move then its world series or bust is it not?

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        • redsrule
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          • Apr 2010
          • 9396

          #514
          re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

          Originally posted by HustlinOwl
          talent where??? 3B,SS,LF,CF,C all areas of need unless giving keys to Hamilton in CF
          Frazier is very talented, he had a bad year offensively no doubt, hopefully he can play more like his rookie year. He is a great defender as well.
          Cozart is an average player, but didn't do bad in the 7 hole, where he is suited. He's a good defender as well.
          I'll give you LF and C, but I'm hoping Ludwick can produce more like last year assuming he is healthy next year.
          Catcher, Mesoraco needs to take a step up or they need to try and find someone else. Hanigan might be regressing finally because he was always a decent contact hitter, but this year he just sucked offensively.
          I think Hamilton gets the reins in CF next year. We'll see how that goes.

          Originally posted by HustlinOwl
          so with this move then its world series or bust is it not?
          I would think so. That is why Dusty got fired. A wild card loss wasn't acceptable to Jocketty and company, even if it wasn't all his fault.
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          • PhantomPain
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            • Jan 2003
            • 3512

            #515
            re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

            Originally posted by HustlinOwl
            talent where??? 3B,SS,LF,CF,C all areas of need unless giving keys to Hamilton in CF
            Wrong, for the most part.

            SS is fine as of now, as evidence by the information I provided before.

            Catcher can and should be fine but we will never know until Mez gets the nod. Which you never answered my question before, do you think as it is now, that Hanigan should be the everyday catcher?

            3B I can almost agree on but Frazier will only be playing his 3rd season. Get him another hitting coach and if he can't iron it out, then make a move. Unless of course there is a chance at improving that position 10 fold.

            CF Hamilton until he shows he can't handle it. Hopefully never.

            LF Completely agree.

            For someone that was willing to give Dusty eternity to never win anything of substance and be ok with early post season exits, I find it a bit surprising you are willing to give up so easily on a guy like Frazier who had a good rookie year and a terrible sophomore campaign (which typically happens with a lot of players). The kid has some serious pop in his bat, and if he can stop swinging at anything that is thrown, he could turn into a heck of a player. You also dog on Cozart, yet he has barely batted in the correct spot in the lineup with any consistency (7 hole). These past 2 months he has been MORE than serviceable. Sometimes guys figure it out later than others. Again, just surprised how much leeway you wanted to give Dusty but not the young players.
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            • PhantomPain
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              • Jan 2003
              • 3512

              #516
              re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

              Originally posted by redsrule
              Frazier is very talented, he had a bad year offensively no doubt, hopefully he can play more like his rookie year. He is a great defender as well.
              Cozart is an average player, but didn't do bad in the 7 hole, where he is suited. He's a good defender as well.
              I'll give you LF and C, but I'm hoping Ludwick can produce more like last year assuming he is healthy next year.
              Catcher, Mesoraco needs to take a step up or they need to try and find someone else. Hanigan might be regressing finally because he was always a decent contact hitter, but this year he just sucked offensively.
              I think Hamilton gets the reins in CF next year. We'll see how that goes.


              I would think so. That is why Dusty got fired. A wild card loss wasn't acceptable to Jocketty and company, even if it wasn't all his fault.
              I'm not sure how anyone can look at this team and say that since we are changing Managers then it is World Series or bust. Dusty wasn't let go because he didn't win a World Series. It was because he can't get to the World Series, or anywhere close to it. It was because he doesn't provide leadership and it showed on the field and particularly the last 2 weeks of the season. Any new manager will have to be given a couple of years as this will undoubtedly set us back a bit. But I don't think it will set us so far back that we can't recover in a year or two. Its a risk you have to take though if you want to take the next step.
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              • redsrule
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                • Apr 2010
                • 9396

                #517
                re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                Originally posted by PhantomPain
                I'm not sure how anyone can look at this team and say that since we are changing Managers then it is World Series or bust. Dusty wasn't let go because he didn't win a World Series. It was because he can't get to the World Series, or anywhere close to it. It was because he doesn't provide leadership and it showed on the field and particularly the last 2 weeks of the season. Any new manager will have to be given a couple of years as this will undoubtedly set us back a bit. But I don't think it will set us so far back that we can't recover in a year or two. Its a risk you have to take though if you want to take the next step.
                I was talking more about this year with that. It's obvious they wanted more than an early exit in the playoffs again. Maybe not world series or bust, but they definitely wanted the team to at least get somewhere near it.

                Considering how well the bullpen pitched this year, would you guys trade Chapman if it meant getting a good hitting bat in LF/CF?
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                • CaseIH
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                  • Sep 2013
                  • 3945

                  #518
                  re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                  Originally posted by HustlinOwl
                  talent where??? 3B,SS,LF,CF,C all areas of need unless giving keys to Hamilton in CF
                  What are you talking about? About lack of talent at this positions? Mez will be better next yr, he imprved this yr after getting regular playing time. CF will be Billy's, and we had Choo this yr so we didnt lack there really, not with offense anyway. 3b give Frazier a chance, looked what he did in 1 offseason on defense, I htink he will do the same offensively next yr. SS, Cozart improved down the stretch, but I wasnt in favor of trading Didi, bad move on Walt part imo. I guess we will see I do think Cozart can be more thanservicable.

                  Biggest issue this yr was Votto fascination with worrying about his OBP and evidently what geeks like Bill James thinks, rather than swinging the bat. On top of his lack of defense, gosh that was awful to watch. Dont get me wrong I think some of the SABER Metrics is great stuff, but I think Votto is getting to carried away with OBP, he is not just 1 of 8 guys he is the man being paid to hit like he use to before his brained got brain washed evidently. He has to come up with clutch which he always has until this yr. I know he studies Ted Williams book, and I think he needs to reread it and maybe watch some film of him and maybe get some of that geek BS out of his mind.:wink:
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                  • Motown
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                    • Jul 2002
                    • 9169

                    #519
                    re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                    Castellini & Jocketty was spotted having dinner or lunch maybe w/ Tony LaRussa...stay tuned...

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                    • slickdtc
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                      • Aug 2004
                      • 17125

                      #520
                      2013 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                      I really hope we don't run out a great player like Votto because his contract dictates more power numbers.

                      We have fundamental differences on what we think a player with his contract should be doing, I get that. But I just find it impossible to blame Votto for failures of a 90 win team.

                      I guess that's the whole season's story. We're grasping for why's of what was a good team. We're wondering why we weren't better. The little things. A couple more HR's for Votto. A different pitcher brought in in the play-in, a different starter given the ball, some guys hitting in different spots in the lineup. Are we painfully close or maxed out?

                      It's scary to me that, in our haste to get over the hump, we may have to make significant changes. I don't want to see another 10 years without the playoffs. But I'm already tired of flaming out in the first round of the playoffs too.

                      Be wise, Jocketty.
                      Last edited by slickdtc; 10-04-2013, 02:45 PM.
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                      • CaseIH
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                        • Sep 2013
                        • 3945

                        #521
                        re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                        Originally posted by slickdtc
                        I really hope we don't run out a great player like Votto because his contract dictates more power numbers.

                        We have fundamental differences on what we think a player with his contract should be doing, I get that. But I just find it impossible to blame Votto for failures of a 90 win team.

                        I guess that's the whole season's story. We're grasping for why's of what was a good team. We're wondering why we weren't better. The little things. A couple more HR's for Votto. A different pitcher brought in in the play-in, a different starter given the ball, some guys hitting in different spots in the lineup. Are we painfully close or maxed out?
                        No its not just 1 player, or a manager or a coach, plenty of blame to go around for all including Walt even.
                        I dont think nayone wants to run Votto out of town, they just want the guy that he has been up until this yr, where it looked like he would rather walk than swing the bat.
                        Power Im not worried about he showed he still had power this yr, he just didnt swing enough with all the K's looking. Down yr I think, and the fact that he ha slet the saber metrics dictate to much. Im not for him going out the zone just to swing wildly lik eothers on our team do, but when you caught looking as much as he was something needs to change. He just didnt seem to square up the ball as well either this year, which is odd cause Votto rarely dont make solid contact. I do just think its a down yr for him and he will be better next year.
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                        • PhantomPain
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                          • Jan 2003
                          • 3512

                          #522
                          re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                          Originally posted by slickdtc
                          I really hope we don't run out a great player like Votto because his contract dictates more power numbers.

                          We have fundamental differences on what we think a player with his contract should be doing, I get that. But I just find it impossible to blame Votto for failures of a 90 win team.

                          I guess that's the whole season's story. We're grasping for why's of what was a good team. We're wondering why we weren't better. The little things. A couple more HR's for Votto. A different pitcher brought in in the play-in, a different starter given the ball, some guys hitting in different spots in the lineup. Are we painfully close or maxed out?

                          It's scary to me that, in our haste to get over the hump, we may have to make significant changes. I don't want to see another 10 years without the playoffs. But I'm already tired of flaming out in the first round of the playoffs too.

                          Be wise, Jocketty.
                          Good post. I don't think anyone, or at least not me, is wanting to get rid of Votto. I just can't believe anyone would think that his production this year would be ok with the amount we are paying him, but that's just my opinion.

                          With that said, he is clearly one of the best hitters in the league and my hope is that with a proper off season he will get back to being a .300/30/100 kind of guy. Not saying he should put up MVP numbers every year, but more production would serve the team well.
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                          • jasontoddwhitt
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 8095

                            #523
                            re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                            Originally posted by PhantomPain
                            Good post. I don't think anyone, or at least not me, is wanting to get rid of Votto. I just can't believe anyone would think that his production this year would be ok with the amount we are paying him, but that's just my opinion.

                            With that said, he is clearly one of the best hitters in the league and my hope is that with a proper off season he will get back to being a .300/30/100 kind of guy. Not saying he should put up MVP numbers every year, but more production would serve the team well.
                            I'd say with a proper offseason this year (Votto did nothing but rehab his knee), NL pitchers will rightly fear Votto next season. He's not happy with his season, and with an offseason where he can get back to his normal routine...I'm predicting a season more in line with his 2010 or 2012 (pre-knee injury) season.

                            From Paul Daugherty: “Castellini had been firmly in Baker’s corner, until this year. A few events changed that: When Brandon Phillips interrupted Baker’s daily pre-game press briefing to berate an Enquirer reporter, Baker didn’t stop it. That suggested Baker didn’t have the necessary control of his players. Then, as the Reds drifted, then nose-dived late in the year, Baker insisted there was no need for urgency. Castellini is not a patient man. He’s also a fan. He understands he has a core group of very talented players, in the prime of their careers. After three first-round playoff losses in four years, he had seen enough, both as a fan and businessman.”

                            As for Bryan Price being the favorite as manager, I'd be for it. From all reports, he held his pitching staff accountable and he wants to be a manager (he was in the running for the Marlins job last offseason). Now in a perfect world, we'd buy out Joe Maddon and get the Mad Scientist up from Tampa.
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                            • jake44np
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                              #524
                              re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                              Originally posted by Motown
                              Castellini & Jocketty was spotted having dinner or lunch maybe w/ Tony LaRussa...stay tuned...
                              Where did u read this? I have searched high and low and haven't found anything on it. If this was true it would be all over the news here in Cincy.
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                              • PhantomPain
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                                • Jan 2003
                                • 3512

                                #525
                                re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

                                Originally posted by jake44np
                                Where did u read this? I have searched high and low and haven't found anything on it. If this was true it would be all over the news here in Cincy.
                                I think that may have come from an eye witness. There are several articles about LaRussa and Jocketty from the past couple days but they don't mention dinner. It can be assumed their recent conversations came from that.

                                With that said, LaRussa has already stated he has no interest in managing again.
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