2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

[redsrule]

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Where did u read this? I have searched high and low and haven't found anything on it. If this was true it would be all over the news here in Cincy.

What are your thoughts on the firing? iirc you were a Dusty supporter in the past, but I haven't seen you post much of late.

TLR has said he isn't managing anymore already, but hypothetically if he became the manager I wonder how it would work with guys like Cueto and Phillips.

[Motown]

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Where did u read this? I have searched high and low and haven't found anything on it. If this was true it would be all over the news here in Cincy.

Heard it on 700 WLW morning crew fwiw.

[CaseIH]

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I'd say with a proper offseason this year (Votto did nothing but rehab his knee), NL pitchers will rightly fear Votto next season. He's not happy with his season, and with an offseason where he can get back to his normal routine...I'm predicting a season more in line with his 2010 or 2012 (pre-knee injury) season.

From Paul Daugherty: “Castellini had been firmly in Baker’s corner, until this year. A few events changed that: When Brandon Phillips interrupted Baker’s daily pre-game press briefing to berate an Enquirer reporter, Baker didn’t stop it. That suggested Baker didn’t have the necessary control of his players. Then, as the Reds drifted, then nose-dived late in the year, Baker insisted there was no need for urgency. Castellini is not a patient man. He’s also a fan. He understands he has a core group of very talented players, in the prime of their careers. After three first-round playoff losses in four years, he had seen enough, both as a fan and businessman.”

As for Bryan Price being the favorite as manager, I'd be for it. From all reports, he held his pitching staff accountable and he wants to be a manager (he was in the running for the Marlins job last offseason). Now in a perfect world, we'd buy out Joe Maddon and get the Mad Scientist up from Tampa.

BP had every right to tell that reporter off, that reporter is lucky he didnt get a busted nose for blowing off at the mouth cause he deserved it for what he said. Not sure BP telling a reporter off would have any real effect on Dusty.
The teams lack of heart and passion and Dusty;s inability to win in the postseason is why Bob C and Walt let him go. Im just surprised the gave him a 2 yr contract last yr instead of 1 since thats all Dusty wanted last yr.
I do think there is some truth to Walt saying about letting Jacoby go and Dusty saying you might as well fire me then cause he didnt feel Jacoby had done nothing to lose his job and sometimes its the pupils fault and not the teacher. Iactually hope this is true cause I want that worhtless piece of garbage Jacoby gone, and I have wanted this since 2011.

Im definitely not too disappointed in Dusty being fired, but we can and have did a lot worse for a manager. I have always said I felt Dusty was a solid manager, but wasnt sure he was capable of winning at WS title, but you dont win over 1600 games as a manager and be a complete fool. Heck he took the North Side Loser Cubs almost to a WS berth, and that basically a impossible task to take that joke of a franchise and win with them:wink:
I do wish Dusty well, but glad they are going in a different direction, and hopefully Jacoby is getting fired, it will be a happy day in my house the day that Jacoby is fired, i will be like a kid at Christmas

[redsrule]

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BP had every right to tell that reporter off, that reporter is lucky he didnt get a busted nose for blowing off at the mouth cause he deserved it for what he said. Not sure BP telling a reporter off would have any real effect on Dusty.

What a load of crap. All C Trent did was write an article/say that Phillips had a lower OBP then the guy he was replacing in the 2 hole. Maybe he shouldn't have such thin skin to get upset about something that was the truth and there wouldn't be an issue.
Regarding Dusty on that, he just stood there with a weird smirk on his face as Phillips charged in there and did it.

[CaseIH]

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What a load of crap. All C Trent did was write an article/say that Phillips had a lower OBP then the guy he was replacing in the 2 hole. Maybe he shouldn't have such thin skin to get upset about something that was the truth and there wouldn't be an issue.
Regarding Dusty on that, he just stood there with a weird smirk on his face as Phillips charged in there and did it.

The guys had been ripping BP over a .10 pt difference in OBP less than Frazier. What he should have said is why are you moving your best RBI man into teh 2 hole instead he took a jab at BP, imo BP had every right to rip that idiot reporter. Dusty had been ripped over and over by the media on his decisions, and like that reporter could do a better job as manager, so Dusty probably just let BP give it to him. Now I cant say I always agree with Dusty decisions either, but unless he was moving Votto to teh 2 hole BP was th ebest choice. That reporter took a shot at BP so BP gave it back. Did he maybe go a little overboard, yeah but he had a right to be upset.

[PhantomPain]

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The guys had been ripping BP over a .10 pt difference in OBP less than Frazier. What he should have said is why are you moving your best RBI man into teh 2 hole instead he took a jab at BP, imo BP had every right to rip that idiot reporter. Dusty had been ripped over and over by the media on his decisions, and like that reporter could do a better job as manager, so Dusty probably just let BP give it to him. Now I cant say I always agree with Dusty decisions either, but unless he was moving Votto to teh 2 hole BP was th ebest choice. That reporter took a shot at BP so BP gave it back. Did he maybe go a little overboard, yeah but he had a right to be upset.

I agree with redsrule. The only thing C Trent did was point out a fact. Nothing more, nothing less. It can be looked negatively towards BP or Dusty, but regardless it is nothing more than a fact. BP is supposed to be a professional, he should act like it. Not just when he attacked C Trent verbally with name calling, but also on the field. He says he LOVES Cincy and wants to retire there, yet he shows ho leadership. He is always showboating. Some showboating is ok to me, especially from a guy like BP. But there are times to be a professional too. He just doesn't recognize it. He watches his home runs turn into singles because he doesn't run. He just doesn't set a good example.

[HustlinOwl]

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lol and here some are complaining this team has no fire in them

[jasontoddwhitt]

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lol and here some are complaining this team has no fire in them

Barging into your manager's presser and calling a reporter a "fat f***" is not exactly what I would call having fire in them.

[PhantomPain]

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Barging into your manager's presser and calling a reporter a "fat f***" is not exactly what I would call having fire in them.

Its actually more of a sign of discontent, knowing things aren't going well.

[CaseIH]

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I agree with redsrule. The only thing C Trent did was point out a fact. Nothing more, nothing less. It can be looked negatively towards BP or Dusty, but regardless it is nothing more than a fact. BP is supposed to be a professional, he should act like it. Not just when he attacked C Trent verbally with name calling, but also on the field. He says he LOVES Cincy and wants to retire there, yet he shows ho leadership. He is always showboating. Some showboating is ok to me, especially from a guy like BP. But there are times to be a professional too. He just doesn't recognize it. He watches his home runs turn into singles because he doesn't run. He just doesn't set a good example.

As I said earlier, BP went a little overboard with the rant, but that reporter could have worded it differently. I also think BP was probably sick of Dusty constantly being rip for his lineups and decisions by the press, and just went off, it happens.
I agree some of the flash on the field I dont agree with, some of it is just making amazing plays that very few players can make but some of it is just showboating and no need for it. What really rubs me the wrong way is when someone dont hustle going to 1st, and he isnt the only one that does it, Votto dont hustle to 1st to often either. Bruce is probably the only 1 of the 3 core players that hustles down to 1st.

[CaseIH]

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lol and here some are complaining this team has no fire in them

Brandon is 1 of the few on that team that does have any fire,lol.

Bob C. even said the team played with no passion, so its not just some fans that noticed it from this team. That also played a part in Dusty losing his job, cause its the managers job to instill that passion in them. I always found it odd Dusty was so laid back as a manager, cause I grew up watching Dusty play and he played with a lot of fire. Even tho he was a Dodger I was a big fan of Dusty as a player, I also thought he did a solid job as a manger but wasnt sure he was capable of getting this team a World Series title, but I would have been fine with Dusty getting another yr with only Jacoby being fired. I like Walt and think he is a good GM, but he also deserves some blame and most of all its on the players themselves for not getting it done.
I just hope they get the right manager and make some moves to get is over the hump cause Votto and BP arent getting any younger.

[HustlinOwl]

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Barging into your manager's presser and calling a reporter a "fat f***" is not exactly what I would call having fire in them.

call it what you want dude was out of line and Phillips numbers dipped after foreman injury dont care what anyone says

[PhantomPain]

re: 2014 Cincinnati Reds Thread

call it what you want dude was out of line and Phillips numbers dipped after foreman injury dont care what anyone says

So stating a fact is out of line? I tend to think it was more of a fact to show that Dusty doesn't have a 2 hitter and hasn't for a couple of years.

I'm sorry, but if anyone thinks that BP going off like that, calling names and using profanity, is ok while Dusty sits with a smirk on his face, you're just wrong.

I have no doubt that BP can and will improve upon this year. He and Votto, up until this year, have been the only consistent players on this team. It was a down year for production for Votto and Phillips, even if Phillips had over 100 rbi's he was still down in pretty much every other area.

The team needs a power hitting right handed bat. They need a leadoff hitter since they won't be able to sign Choo and hopefully Hamilton is ready. They also need Frazier to stop swinging at literally everything thrown at him...same can be said for Bruce. My hope is that a change in hitting coach will solve some of those issues. Its still up to upper management to sign a big bat through trade or free agency though.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

[jasontoddwhitt]

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call it what you want dude was out of line and Phillips numbers dipped after foreman injury dont care what anyone says

I don't recall anybody discussing Phillips numbers before and after being hit by the pitch in the Pittsburgh series early in the season, but there was no way BP was going to keep up the pace he was on the first two months of the season, hit by pitch or not. He did have a hell of an August, only to disappear in September....much like the rest of the team.

[lonewolf371]

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I agree with these points:

Dusty should go
Jacoby should go

As for Votto and you all you saber peeps out there. I get some of the saber stuff, truly, some of it makes a great deal of sense. What I think a lot of you are not taking into account is that Votto was signed to a 10 year deal making over $20 million a year. He didn't get signed to that just because he has a good eye at the plate. He got that coming off a a tremendous season after improving year to year. Votto has his approach to hitting and that's fine. He is a terrible out for most teams. With that said, he is no longer a 3 hitter. He is more of a 2 hitter now. That's fine, he would have had a ridiculous season as a 2 hitter. But as a 3 hitter, it was ok. Not horrible and definitely not great.

Question for lonewolf371: How is it that you think the game of baseball is won? I will give you a hint. You have to score runs. And how do runs get scored? There are essentially 4 ways. You can walk a runner in. You can score on an error. You can sacrifice them in (I am including a squeeze in that category) and finally you can get a hit. Out of those 4 ways to score runs, which is needed to win a game, which one happens most often?

Votto says that he had 2 guys behind him get 100 rbi's so that should be enough. Well news flash, those 2 guys had that many RBI's because he wasn't getting them. Oh yeah, Frazier tied Votto for 3rd on the team for driving in runs...which you need to win a game. Frazier! Cozart was only 10 RBI's behind Votto.

I'm sorry, but if any of you think that any player in the MLB deserves $20 million+ per year to basically just have a good on base percentage then YOU don't know the game of baseball or where the value of a player truly is at. If he makes $12 million per year and batted 2nd, EVERYONE would be praising him. Saber peeps and old school peeps.

slickdtc: what he gets paid and why he got that MONSTER contract to begin with is to produce runs in many facets of the game. From hits to walks to home runs. He is no longer doing all of that which makes him a lot less valuable.

FWIW, I am only pounding on Votto for the people that think he had a great season and deserves no criticism. Outside of that I like Votto a lot and still think he is one of the best hitters in the game. But A) No one should ever get a 10 year contract in any sport as you never know when their career will take a downturn. I blame ownership on that one. B) Anyone that is getting paid that much money needs to do more, plain and simple.

I'm responding to you and the others that quoted that post. There's really no major front office in baseball that still thinks this way. Every major baseball team employs statisticians, and those that don't listen to them fall behind more often than not.

Baseball games are won by maximizing the production you get from every single out. Votto maximizes his outs by making them at a very low rate. Votto basically has a perfect plate approach. He doesn't swing at pitches outside the zone. He swings at most stuff inside the zone. The reason he doesn't get a bunch of RBI is because the guy in the 2-hole in Cincinnati usually SUCKS at getting on base and he has no protection, so he just takes his walks. The reason he is a good baseball player is specifically because of his ability to take walks, which forces pitchers to throw him strikes. Then, when he swings, he makes good contact, as shown by the numbers earlier (BABIP, ISO, etc.)

That means Votto scored the 8th most runs in baseball last year by walking. Brandon Phillips had 100 RBI by Votto walking, and that's without even being a good hitter last year (yes, Phillips wasn't good). Jay Bruce had 100 RBI last year by Votto walking. You want to hand all those back? Be my guest, and you'll be fired as a GM faster than you can walk in the door. Thank goodness Votto doesn't listen to the fans, and thank goodness the front office doesn't listen to the fans, either. It's hard enough not having a lot of money as a franchise; you're setting yourself behind even more if you don't use modern baseball theory.

If you want to complain about this team, complain about the lack of production from left field, short stop, third base, or yes, even second base. All of those positions were offensive duds this year. But of all things, don't complain about Votto.

And to the guy that responded about Bailey: I would have switched up the rotation to allow him to pitch. Now, maybe they did that for Latos and Latos was injured. Well, Bailey already had four days of rest anyway, and if I knew about Latos' injury I would have switched up the rotation to allow him to pitch. I'd rather have a guy that's actually been taking the mound since the All-Star break than home field advantage.