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  • Sportsforever
    NL MVP
    • Mar 2005
    • 20368

    #241
    Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

    Originally posted by DonkeyJote
    Avilan isn't a good pitcher anymore? Dude had an era under 3 going into today...
    Come on, man...you and I both know ERA is an awful way to judge a pitcher, especially a reliever. Avilan hasn't been able to get LHB's out for two years now and that's why he's there, so no, I don't think he's a good pitcher.
    "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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    • DonkeyJote
      All Star
      • Jul 2003
      • 9187

      #242
      Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

      That's not why he's there. He's not a lefty specialist. He's always been better against righties; his best pitch is his changeup. Righties are only hitting .146 against him. He's got a 1.15 whip. Overall, hitters are hitting just .226 against him. His fip is 3.02. He's not fantastic by any means, but he's a good pitcher. That said, he threw 17 pitches yesterday, probably shouldn't have been in the game today.

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      • Sportsforever
        NL MVP
        • Mar 2005
        • 20368

        #243
        Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

        Originally posted by DonkeyJote
        That's not why he's there. He's not a lefty specialist. He's always been better against righties; his best pitch is his changeup. Righties are only hitting .146 against him. He's got a 1.15 whip. Overall, hitters are hitting just .226 against him. His fip is 3.02. He's not fantastic by any means, but he's a good pitcher. That said, he threw 17 pitches yesterday, probably shouldn't have been in the game today.
        Negative - this is the first season he's had reverse splits. First two seasons he was deadly against LHB, but last year and this year he's struggled. In every season before this RHB hit him pretty good.

        I think he's a decent pitcher by our current bullpen standards, meaning I'd rather see him than a lot of the trash we have out there, but he is not a good major league pitcher.
        "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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        • aukevin
          War Eagle, Go Braves!
          • Dec 2002
          • 14700

          #244
          Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

          Bethancourt sent down. He deserved it. If you can't hit, you better make plays defensively. Read this in the press clip, pretty bad D: Bethancourt ranked third among National League leaders in most passed balls (five) and tied for fourth in errors (three) despite playing in less than half of his team’s games.

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          • LowerWolf
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jun 2006
            • 12270

            #245
            Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

            He's had a pretty brutal stretch of late. He has one more passed ball, in about 60 fewer games, than Gattis did last year.

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            • p_rushing
              Hall Of Fame
              • Feb 2004
              • 14514

              #246
              Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

              Looks like we were all right in worrying about the C position. Now the Braves have no one anywhere in the organization that can play. He was supposed to be good defensively and his bat was going to be the question.

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              • DonkeyJote
                All Star
                • Jul 2003
                • 9187

                #247
                Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                Originally posted by p_rushing
                Looks like we were all right in worrying about the C position. Now the Braves have no one anywhere in the organization that can play. He was supposed to be good defensively and his bat was going to be the question.
                I'm thinking he let his offense (or lacktherof) get into his head defensively. And you can't do that. Hopefully he can get straightened out in Triple A. I still see him longterm as a solid backup, but right now he's not even that.

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                • Speedy
                  #Ace
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 16143

                  #248
                  Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                  Originally posted by aukevin
                  Bethancourt sent down. He deserved it. If you can't hit, you better make plays defensively. Read this in the press clip, pretty bad D: Bethancourt ranked third among National League leaders in most passed balls (five) and tied for fourth in errors (three) despite playing in less than half of his team’s games.
                  I've never seen a catcher get crossed up so much before...he'd go out and talk to the pitcher and then on the NEXT PITCH be looking for a breaking ball when the pitcher throws a fastball.

                  Maybe it's a communication issue but beyond his arm, I wasn't impressed; he doesn't have soft hands (continually darting his glove to catch it annoyed me as his pitch framing has a lot to be desired too). As well as AJ has played, I think ATL would've been better served keeping Laird just for Bethancourt.
                  Originally posted by Gibson88
                  Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                  It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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                  • aukevin
                    War Eagle, Go Braves!
                    • Dec 2002
                    • 14700

                    #249
                    Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                    Wonder what the details for Folty's demotion was. His stats are very similar to Stults after 9 games, so that points to why, but I wonder if it's just a short term thing or not?

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                    • decga
                      MVP
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 2469

                      #250
                      Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                      I am wandering. The Braves sent down both Folty and Bethancourt. Yes both of them are stinking up the joint. I also say this is on non .500 team. The management is sending and calling up guys like they're in da hunt for championship of any kind.

                      How about this off season acquisition? $11 million per year .302, 0 HR, 20 RBI through 60 plus games. Hey I am not made at any player who can get their money and team knowing "They have no power". At least put the guy in lead-off spot or number 2 slot in the lineup.

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                      • DonkeyJote
                        All Star
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 9187

                        #251
                        Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                        Originally posted by aukevin
                        Wonder what the details for Folty's demotion was. His stats are very similar to Stults after 9 games, so that points to why, but I wonder if it's just a short term thing or not?
                        Depends on how he does down there, I imagine. He isn't quite ready for the majors. His era in triple A last year was over 5. It was really good so far this year, but only through 21 innings, and his walks were still too high. You can't leave him at the majors pitching the way he was; he wouldn't get the chance to improve and you'd lose him.

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                        • thefakeJTS
                          Pro
                          • Nov 2012
                          • 913

                          #252
                          Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                          Wisler coming up tomorrow. I don't know how I feel because he has been struggling at AAA with a 4 ERA

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                          • Sportsforever
                            NL MVP
                            • Mar 2005
                            • 20368

                            #253
                            Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                            I know it's only one start and he won't do that every time out, but man, what a shot in the arm Wisler's start was. He was extremely impressive! The funny thing is that the scouts kept saying Folty was closer to MLB ready than Wisler, but I think you see the difference in one guy who knows how to pitch already while the other guy has stuff and just throws. Regardless, I'm curious to see if they keep Wisler up and stick him in the rotation.

                            On another note, we haven't sung the praises of Jace Peterson enough. I really liked him in ST and he got off to a slow start, but you can actually see him improving defensively and offensively as the season goes on. I will be interested to see what we do here because Perazza is supposed to be the 2B of the future and I keep hearing that Jace moves to third, but Jace doesn't have the power for 3B and loses a lot of his value over there IMO. I really like having him and Simmons up the middle...with Maybin in CF that's a strong defensive unit.

                            Crazy that as frustrating as this season has been, we are 2.5 games out of first...the Mets/Nats might regret their early season struggles.
                            "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." - Rogers Hornsby

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                            • aukevin
                              War Eagle, Go Braves!
                              • Dec 2002
                              • 14700

                              #254
                              Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                              I know they have been using Peraza in the OF in the minors some, but I'd like more power from that position just like 3B. Not sure how it will shake out, but I really like Peterson too.

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                              • Speedy
                                #Ace
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 16143

                                #255
                                Re: 2015 Atlanta Braves

                                ATL really needs these rooks to step and play well.

                                Eury Perez, Peterson, Wisler...really would do our organization good as it would be bring much needed depth.

                                I think Perez would be a good outfield filler; good speed, while he doesn't have much power (.080 ISO) he doesn't K too much either. His AAA numbers are pretty good (.746 OPS with a .370 OBP).

                                I'd love to limit Johnny to limited play time, like we did with Hinske a few years back (33% K rate and .617 OPS are horrible).
                                Originally posted by Gibson88
                                Anyone who asked for an ETA is not being Master of their Domain.
                                It's hard though...especially when I got my neighbor playing their franchise across the street...maybe I will occupy myself with Glamore Magazine.

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