Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

And yet he made that trade to the Nationals, trading Kearns, Lopez, and Wagner for a bucket of baseballs.

Actually that trade turned into a wash for both clubs.

Every GM has made a bad trade at some point, and like you said it didn't work out for either team. I think having a eye for talent, and then making sound trades don't always go together anyway. Not that I feel Wayne was a great GM, but he did seem to have a eye for talent, or atleast having a good scouting director around anyway to find that talent

[redsrule]

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Krivsky was a much better GM than Jocketty and he got screwed by Castellini bringing in Jocketty while he was GM.

Anyways I'm hoping Jocketty can get some good value for our guys they will be traded. I doubt it though.

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[CaseIH]

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Price just proved why he shouldn't be a manager when he walked David Ross to load the bases. Personally I would have had a hard time walking Ross even if the pitcher was hitting with as bad a hitter as Ross is, and to top it off Cingrani as usual was struggling to find the strike zone, which made it even worse to do that.
Price just got made a fool out of by Madden, just like Larussa use to make Dusty look like a fool. That really should tell ownership and Walt that Price isn't the right guy for the job. I have tried to give Bryan the benefit of doubt, as he is a nice guy and was a very good pitching coach, along with being a smart guy, but unfortunately he isn't cut out to to be a manager.

[Jr.]

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I have to 100% agree with y'all saying Price is overmatched as a manager. He was horrific today with his intentional walk decisions.. especially with Chapman.

How can you not trust a guy that throws 100+ mph to strike out someone who leads the NL in K's?

[CaseIH]

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Since AS break, Votto has been looking like the pre 2012 injured Votto, where it seemed he was impossible to get out. Glad to see Votto getting back to being Vottomatic, as with him getting back to where he was before 2012 injury will make his contract look a heck of a lot better, and a good sign for next season, as while pitching has been the ultimate killer for us this season, I do think these young pitchers taking their lumps this yr will only make them better in the long run, as we do have talent in the farm as far as pitching goes, and it just got stronger with what we got out of Cueto even though it was sad to see Cueto go.

[slickdtc]

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Trading Cueto is a major relief for me. He was the one guy who HAD to be dealt, and for a while I didn't think they were going to do it. Thank goodness he stayed healthy and continued to pitch as well as he has. Great years with him, sucks to see him go but the Reds are forever and players are just temporary.

Initially I was underwhelmed with the package back, but after doing my homework I'm good with it. Obviously, Finnegan is the prize here but Lamb and the other prospect are back on upwards trajectories after starting their career as top prospects before injury sunk their value. The Reds have been decent at extracting value from looked over players or prospects in the past, so I'm hoping at least 2 of these 3 pitchers end up as good players for us. I'm not greedy!

Would love to see some more value added to the farm by trading away some of our veterans. I may be disappointed overall if we don't, but we made the one move we had to so I can't be too salty.

[PhantomPain]

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Have any of you guys looked at the Reds Top 30 prospects lately?

14 - RHP
5 - OF
4 - LHP (3 of which we just acquired)
3 - SS
2 - 3B
2 - C

I just saw a report that the Reds and Mets have discussed Bruce and the Reds were interested in RHP Zach Wheeler who is currently out for the year with Tommy John surgery. Oh yeah, he's a RHP too.

So my question is, WHAT IS THE OBSESSION with RHP's? I could see maybe doing that so you can use them for trade bait, but we don't.

We have hardly any position players that are even projected to be everyday starters. So what happens when Phillips, Bruce, Frazier are gone within the next 2-3 years? We will have Votto and hopefully Mesoraco. That's a whole lot of offense...in bizarro world.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention...we also need a GM and a Manager.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Have any of you guys looked at the Reds Top 30 prospects lately?

14 - RHP
5 - OF
4 - LHP (3 of which we just acquired)
3 - SS
2 - 3B
2 - C

I just saw a report that the Reds and Mets have discussed Bruce and the Reds were interested in RHP Zach Wheeler who is currently out for the year with Tommy John surgery. Oh yeah, he's a RHP too.

So my question is, WHAT IS THE OBSESSION with RHP's? I could see maybe doing that so you can use them for trade bait, but we don't.

We have hardly any position players that are even projected to be everyday starters. So what happens when Phillips, Bruce, Frazier are gone within the next 2-3 years? We will have Votto and hopefully Mesoraco. That's a whole lot of offense...in bizarro world.

Oh yeah, forgot to mention...we also need a GM and a Manager.

You never can have enough pitching, so that's 1 reason why they have a lot in the system. I did hear Walt say they would have liked to have gotten some hitting prospects in the Cueto deal, but there just wasn't anything out there to get so they took the best players available in that trade.


We definitely need IF prospects as that's where we are extremely thin at, but I don't ever get to upset with having to much pitching, especially now days with how fragile pitchers are with getting injured.


I do have a issue if they were to trade Bruce for Wheeler, heck who to say Wheeler is ever the same pitcher once he gets back. Yeah chances are he will be, but you just never know, so no way I trade Bruce for a injured pitcher, no matter how talented he is. Not against trading Bruce, but it better be a good deal for us, or I keep him. I don't know why but I got a feeling that the best of Bruce as far as offense goes might be ahead, kind of like Paul Oneil was, don't see Bruce ever being that good, but I do think the best might be ahead for him.

[PhantomPain]

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You never can have enough pitching, so that's 1 reason why they have a lot in the system. I did hear Walt say they would have liked to have gotten some hitting prospects in the Cueto deal, but there just wasn't anything out there to get so they took the best players available in that trade.


We definitely need IF prospects as that's where we are extremely thin at, but I don't ever get to upset with having to much pitching, especially now days with how fragile pitchers are with getting injured.


I do have a issue if they were to trade Bruce for Wheeler, heck who to say Wheeler is ever the same pitcher once he gets back. Yeah chances are he will be, but you just never know, so no way I trade Bruce for a injured pitcher, no matter how talented he is. Not against trading Bruce, but it better be a good deal for us, or I keep him. I don't know why but I got a feeling that the best of Bruce as far as offense goes might be ahead, kind of like Paul Oneil was, don't see Bruce ever being that good, but I do think the best might be ahead for him.

I agree with you that having pitchers is a good thing. But I also think that we have too many pitchers and too much focus on those pitchers during the drafts. Further to the point, there is too much focus on RHP. We have 4 in the that list only because we had 3 that we just acquired.

We need more hitting prospects. Like I said, only a couple of the ones we have project to be MLB starters. If we don't find a way to acquire some everyday player prospects, its going to take longer to get this team competitive again IMO.

[CaseIH]

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I agree with you that having pitchers is a good thing. But I also think that we have too many pitchers and too much focus on those pitchers during the drafts. Further to the point, there is too much focus on RHP. We have 4 in the that list only because we had 3 that we just acquired.

We need more hitting prospects. Like I said, only a couple of the ones we have project to be MLB starters. If we don't find a way to acquire some everyday player prospects, its going to take longer to get this team competitive again IMO.

I do think they would have preferred to gave some hitting prospects, but from the sound of Walt there just wasn't any good deal out there, so they took best available.


I do agree we definitely need to boost up position players prospects, especially when it comes to the IF, we do have some nice OF prospects.


Now days you do tend to see a lot of team focus on drafting pitching, or best available rather than what they actual needs are for positions. There has been some drafts that were pitching top heavy, which has a lot to do with having a lot of arms at the moment.


Personally I don't feel you can ever have to much pitching, especially nowday with as fragile as these kids are. I do hope we are able strengthen our position prospects, especially our IF prospects. Although our IF outside of BP is reasonable young and will be here fore quite a while, and there is a chance if they can move BP at some point, they can put Suarez or Cozart at 2nd base. Suarez has the stronger arm, but Zach D is much better, so Id probably lean towards moving Suarez to 2nd base based on that, and I do think Suarez has the tools to be a solid Defensive player. Not that I really want BP traded, but from a business standpoint and if Cozart can come back and hit like he was, it would make sense from a business standpoint to move BP.

[PhantomPain]

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I do think they would have preferred to gave some hitting prospects, but from the sound of Walt there just wasn't any good deal out there, so they took best available.


I do agree we definitely need to boost up position players prospects, especially when it comes to the IF, we do have some nice OF prospects.


Now days you do tend to see a lot of team focus on drafting pitching, or best available rather than what they actual needs are for positions. There has been some drafts that were pitching top heavy, which has a lot to do with having a lot of arms at the moment.


Personally I don't feel you can ever have to much pitching, especially nowday with as fragile as these kids are. I do hope we are able strengthen our position prospects, especially our IF prospects. Although our IF outside of BP is reasonable young and will be here fore quite a while, and there is a chance if they can move BP at some point, they can put Suarez or Cozart at 2nd base. Suarez has the stronger arm, but Zach D is much better, so Id probably lean towards moving Suarez to 2nd base based on that, and I do think Suarez has the tools to be a solid Defensive player. Not that I really want BP traded, but from a business standpoint and if Cozart can come back and hit like he was, it would make sense from a business standpoint to move BP.

Sounds like there may be an option for Suarez to play the outfield based on Price's recent comments. As for him in the infield defensively, it would take a miraculous turnaround for him to be solid. If you look at his career in the minors and now the majors, his defense is not good...especially at ss. I do like his bat so hopefully he continues to hit well and learns to be adequate defensively where ever he plays.

[slickdtc]

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Hoping we can move Bruce for some more prospects as the Mets sound very interested. Cueto, Leake, and Bruce moved for future pieces would make a successful deadline to me.

Got the Giants top pitching prospect and a power hitting 1B for Leake. Not a bad haul man.

Somehow we've moved a couple guys but the roster doesn't feel completely gutted. I guess the rotation is pretty much pieced together at this point... we need to do something about the position players though. Loaded at pitching.

[CaseIH]

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Hoping we can move Bruce for some more prospects as the Mets sound very interested. Cueto, Leake, and Bruce moved for future pieces would make a successful deadline to me.

Got the Giants top pitching prospect and a power hitting 1B for Leake. Not a bad haul man.

Somehow we've moved a couple guys but the roster doesn't feel completely gutted. I guess the rotation is pretty much pieced together at this point... we need to do something about the position players though. Loaded at pitching.

Yeah I thought that was as good a deal as we could have got fro Leake, to get a teams top prospect. Plus I think it was also a great fit fro Leake, he has a chance to play for a top notch organization with a chance to win a WS this yr even.
My only issue with Mella is with his mechanics, which could lead to durability issues with arm and/or shoulder. Other than that Mella has the stuff to be a very good pitcher.


With all the pitching prospects now we probably have the top farm system for pitching, which isn't a bad thing. Have to say Walt has done a heck of a job with what he has got for Cueto and Leake.

[CaseIH]

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After today, the next time we face the Pirates if I was manager I would bring in Chapman and tell him to hit every batter till he gets tossed from the game,lol. Its not like we are playing for anything anyway this season, so we could send a message loud an clear that if you want to play bean ball we will win because we have the hardest thrower in the history of the game on our team.

[redsrule]

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After today, the next time we face the Pirates if I was manager I would bring in Chapman and tell him to hit every batter till he gets tossed from the game,lol. Its not like we are playing for anything anyway this season, so we could send a message loud an clear that if you want to play bean ball we will win because we have the hardest thrower in the history of the game on our team.

Yeah no. That's just asking for someone to be seriously hurt.

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