Official Cincinnati Reds Thread

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I didn't go to a game last year. Think it will be the same this year.

@Slick

No they aren't. They should have traded Frazier and Chapman at the deadline. Instead they have a reliever nobody wants because he is a ****ing moron and a guy the Reds got a terrible return for because the Reds are enamored with an infield Billy Hamilton in Peraza.

I can't believe the Bengals are a better run franchise. What a joke.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I think teams are waiting on where Gordon and Cespedes go and if there's any trades involving Gonzalez from Colorado before settling on Bruce for those left in the cold.

I don't see him having much value, so maybe letting him play out half a season in Cincy with no pressure to really win since our roster is gutted. Same for Chapman, though that's more because the uncertainty of any punishment coming his way.

It hurts to lose so many good players. Seeing the Frazier tributes moved me. But the Reds are doing this rebuild thing right. I thought they were going to halfass it but they're going all in. That takes guts knowing you're going to be bad for a few years and the return isn't guaranteed. Gotta tip my hat to Bob C and the front office.

Yeah losing Frazier hurts me, I woke up this morning and ask my wife if I just had a bad dream and Frazier was still with us. Ive followed this kids career since watching him in the LLWS, just something impressed me even back when he was 12.

Unfortunately with how bad the last 2 years have been its time to change it up, the core of this team had gotten as far as they were going to go, and if you want to build a consistent winner you have to have a strong farm and depth, which we dont and is what has hurt us the past 2 years with all the injuries we had to deal with.

I still believe there needs to be more than just getting young prospects back in the farm. Personally and I have said this for quite a few years now, is our biggest issues has to do with how they are being taught from the start in the organization, thats where I think were lacking. I think from a pitching standpoint we have some good instructors thruout, but when it comes to position players and even the scouting of position players I think were lacking quite a bit.

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Sounds liks a BP to Nats deal is in place. Now the Nats need to convince BP to waive his no trade clause.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Sounds liks a BP to Nats deal is in place. Now the Nats need to convince BP to waive his no trade clause.

Yeah, I figure its just a matter of hours or a day before its a done deal. BP getting to reunite with Dusty and have a shot to actually win as well will be too much for BP to want to stay here as much as he loves the Reds. Ill miss him and I know it will be hard for my wife he is here favorite player, but its best for us long term and for BP to go to the Nats.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Looks like deal is off with BP heading to the Nats. Sound like BP wanted his contract reworked if he waived his notrade clause, probably wanted a year or 2 added if I had to guess. Im sure some of the BP haters will be mad, and rip on him for it, but thats his right to do and I dont blame him either for wanting it, definitely not the 1st guy to want that by waiving him right on a trade, nor will he be the last.

I suppose its still a possibility once the Nats look at other options, they can possibly get David Murphy, but I think they want better D at that position, and Murphy wont give them that.

Really curious what players the Nats were looking to give to us for BP though.

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Looks like deal is off with BP heading to the Nats. Sound like BP wanted his contract reworked if he waived his notrade clause, probably wanted a year or 2 added if I had to guess. Im sure some of the BP haters will be mad, and rip on him for it, but thats his right to do and I dont blame him either for wanting it, definitely not the 1st guy to want that by waiving him right on a trade, nor will he be the last.

I suppose its still a possibility once the Nats look at other options, they can possibly get David Murphy, but I think they want better D at that position, and Murphy wont give them that.

Really curious what players the Nats were looking to give to us for BP though.

It's his right to do that but that doesn't make him any less of an idiot. I read he wanted not only a couple more years but more money too. Sorry but he isn't worth the money he is getting now. Not to mention the fact that when his contract is up with Cincinnati, he will be nearly 37 years old. Why would any team give him more years? Cincinnati isn't making the playoffs again while he is here, so yeah, I think he is an idiot for not finding a way to make it work.

Let's see how many teams jump to sign a nearly 37 year old second baseman in 2 years. I'm sure someone will want him, IF he stays healthy. But my guess is he will continue to decline in defense and offense and now he has a chance to never make the playoffs again. Sorry, but that's stupid IMO.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

It's his right to do that but that doesn't make him any less of an idiot. I read he wanted not only a couple more years but more money too. Sorry but he isn't worth the money he is getting now. Not to mention the fact that when his contract is up with Cincinnati, he will be nearly 37 years old. Why would any team give him more years? Cincinnati isn't making the playoffs again while he is here, so yeah, I think he is an idiot for not finding a way to make it work.

Let's see how many teams jump to sign a nearly 37 year old second baseman in 2 years. I'm sure someone will want him, IF he stays healthy. But my guess is he will continue to decline in defense and offense and now he has a chance to never make the playoffs again. Sorry, but that's stupid IMO.

I dont blame him for wanting a year or 2 added, but he is asking to much if he wants more money at his age. I wouldnt say with where his deal is at that he isnt worth that money, still a top defensive player and he showed when healthy he can still hit, but dont have the power he use too. When he signed that deal it was about right for his talent, probably little on the high side for his age, but its not like its a horrendous deal either.

I really thought with Dusty being with the Nats and a chance to win that he would waive the no trade, so Im a little surprised he didnt. Cant blame the Nats for saying no either on a extension with money added. Possibly give him a extra year at a lower $value, wouldnt be a bad deal for them or BP.

In all honesty he could do himself and the Reds a favor by waiving it to play for a contender, he'd have a chance to win a ring, which aint happening with us anytime soon, and in 2 years when his deal is up, maybe were on the rise and he could come back on a team friendly deal for a year or 2 depending on his abilities at the time and then be able to retire with his team. Just a guess but management might not be in any hurry to honor him once he retires as one of the great players to play for us, with him not being favorable to a trade to a contending team.

I actually think with Dusty at the helm the Nats will be 1 of the best teams in the NL next season with a chance to have some success in the fall. I would love to see Dusty be able to win a WS, but Ive always felt that while Dusty was a good manager, he wasnt a great manager capable of winning it all. I would love to see it happen for him though, arent to many better human beings in the world than Dusty, he is definitely deserving to get that ring, so I do hope it happens for him.

[slickdtc]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

The only way this ends up positive for us is BP plays well the first half of the year, realizes that losing is not fun even in a place you like, and caves and waives his no trade clause to go to a contender.

But there's a higher chance of him not changing his mind or continuing to decline.

Kind of shocked he doesn't want to go to Washington. Strange that for a team that is clearly entering in to a major rebuild that some of our best chips (Votto and BP) don't want to leave. I'm flattered, but help us! But I can't be too mad. They put in all the work for the Reds for a number of successful years and earned their contract clauses or 10 & 5 rights. Players don't often get leverage in the business side of the game so now we're paying for the services they've provided over the years.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

The only way this ends up positive for us is BP plays well the first half of the year, realizes that losing is not fun even in a place you like, and caves and waives his no trade clause to go to a contender.

But there's a higher chance of him not changing his mind or continuing to decline.

Kind of shocked he doesn't want to go to Washington. Strange that for a team that is clearly entering in to a major rebuild that some of our best chips (Votto and BP) don't want to leave. I'm flattered, but help us! But I can't be too mad. They put in all the work for the Reds for a number of successful years and earned their contract clauses or 10 & 5 rights. Players don't often get leverage in the business side of the game so now we're paying for the services they've provided over the years.

Yeah I respect that a player is willing to go thru the downs as well as the good times. I dont think the Reds have any interest in trading Votto though, from what Votto said he has no interest in waiving it either.

I can see why Votto would be willing to stay, he should still be playing at a high level if this rebuild goes right and were back into contention in a couple years, but BP dont have too many years left, so considering he could reunite with Dusty and a chance to win is a little surprising to me he turned it down. I do understand asking for a year or 2 extension, but at a lower $ value, but at his age no team will be willing to add $'s to it for him.

I wouldnt want to see it come to this, but if were stinking it up a couple months into the season, the Reds could say were going with a youth movement and your not going to be playing very much, that might get him to waive it. Again I dont want to see it come to that for BP or the Reds organization, because in time when he retires he will be going into the Reds HOF, and quite frankly he has the stats and Defense to be considered for Cooperstown as well, especially if he still is playing solid these next 2 years. So would hate to see a bad breakup between the Reds and BP.

[jasontoddwhitt]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Traded Chapman to the Yankees for four buckets of baseballs.

It's not the Reds fault that Chapman is an idiot and torpedoed his trade value. It is the Reds fault for not trading him at the deadline when they had the chance.

What else would you expect from Uncle Walt.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Traded Chapman to the Yankees for four buckets of baseballs.

It's not the Reds fault that Chapman is an idiot and torpedoed his trade value. It is the Reds fault for not trading him at the deadline when they had the chance.

What else would you expect from Uncle Walt.

Definitely disappointed to hear who we got back for Chapman. Im sure the whole domestic violence issue hurt the value, and yes he would have been valuable at trade deadline this past season, but Im not going to put that all on Walt, I think ownership was struggling to come to terms with a rebuild and trading away guys that they probably grew close to that were key players for us.


I think if it were me I would have held off, lets be honest these guys get by with basically anything especially when your a star, so since there was charges filed, my guess is nothing comes of this, and if he is suspended for more than 45 days he wont be eligible for FA for another year. Seems to me that the Reds panic on this and moved him, just my opinion but I would have held on to him if what we know about domestic case is all there is, maybe Reds no something we don't, but I probably bet nothing really comes from this, other than the Yankees just got a heck of a lot better in late innings, for basically nothing.


I know a little about Caleb Gotham, but the others not so much, and quite frankly we will be lucky if any of them amount to anything, but Gotham has a chance to be a solid pitcher.

[slickdtc]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I was somewhat shocked to see him get moved as I figured no one wanted to take that chance.

I'd imagine the Yanks had to have gotten some reassurance from Cincy that Chapman wouldn't get hit with a severe punishment, but then why wasn't the haul better for us? Guess maybe they just wanted the headache and distraction gone.

Doesn't look like we got any highly touted prospects back, but we got quantity at least (4 players). Hopefully a couple pan out.

[CaseIH]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I was somewhat shocked to see him get moved as I figured no one wanted to take that chance.

I'd imagine the Yanks had to have gotten some reassurance from Cincy that Chapman wouldn't get hit with a severe punishment, but then why wasn't the haul better for us? Guess maybe they just wanted the headache and distraction gone.

Doesn't look like we got any highly touted prospects back, but we got quantity at least (4 players). Hopefully a couple pan out.

With the talent of Chapman and the money that the Yanks have, Id say they felt it was a risk worth taking, and obviously they have the money to resign him as well, and its always where I figured Chapman would land anyway if the Reds couldn't resign him.


I guess lucky for me the Yanks happen to be my 2nd favorite team,lol. My whole family on both sides were are Reds fans, but somehow my Dad ended up a Yankee fan, so I tend to root for them if they aren't playing the Reds because of my Dad, and now its basically to honor him since he has passed away to root for them if they aren't playing the Reds.


All 4 players are solid prospects, but none really stood out to me when I watched them play, but other than Cotham, I cant say I know too much about the rest other than knowing who they are from watching MILB. I do remember seeing Jagielo and a few times and thinking he might be a solid player. Renda and Rookie I cant say really anything about as I just haven't seen enough to get a feel for how I think they might be.


I guess we really wont know for a few years, how these trades so far will play out, so far what we got back for Frazier and Chapman hasn't been to impressive.


You do see it from time to time, where those prospects that might be quite as highly thought of as the top prospects are in the league but are still solid prospects, end up having better careers than the very top prospects who people felt was a sure thing or as close as you can get, so hopefully that's the case for us.


I will say when it comes to scouting pitching I do feel comfortable that are scouting in that area is very good. Position player scouts, I don't have quite as much faith in.

[PhantomPain]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

I honestly don't think there is another professional sports team with more of an inept front office than the Reds.

They should have traded Chapman last season. When they didn't, they found out about the legal issues. It only makes complete sense at this point, as someone else pointed out, to then wait a little bit. Let him get his suspension. Let him pitch. Then either trade him at the deadline or next off season.

They went into a rebuilding effort, finally, and I applaud them for that ONE correct move. Unfortunately for the fans and Votto, the Reds got basically a bunch of lottery tickets (in hopes of a million to one chance some of these guys pan out) and a decent reliever or two. They still haven't moved Bruce (and that may be because teams are waiting on better players as someone mentioned earlier in the thread) but I can't say I am looking forward to the return we get for him if/when we do trade him.

For the past 4-5 years, this team has done everything you would expect them NOT to do. Not making trades when we needed them to make a push. Making trades and getting nothing in return. Allowing Phillips to earn his 5/10 rule when they were already considering trading him (not long after his full on outburst at the Reds Beat Writer and of course calling Castellini a liar in public when talking about his extension and what Votto got). Allowing players to overstay their welcome (stubbs, heisey as a start). Signing players that literally have about 50 games left in them and haven't been relevant for 5-8 years. Hiring a Manager with no management experience.

The list could go on for a long time. Buckle up boys, this isn't going to be a helluva a ride but its the law. Even when you are going 25mph in a 65mph zone.

[redsrule]

Re: 2015 Cincinnati Reds

Couldn't agree more Phantom. The Reds got really lucky with the good returns late for Cueto and Leake last year, but both of those guys should have been traded before the year started, especially Cueto. Chapman should have been gone at the trading deadline, same with Frazier. The Reds would have been able to get a top 10 guy if they got rid of Frazier when he was on fire after winning the home run derby. Thankfully Walt is gone as the head decision maker after this year, but I don't feel any better about the guy that is taking over due to nepotism, so /shrug. This franchise is a dumpster fire.