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[DamnYanks2]

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So Michael Lorenzen can hit lol

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[CaseIH]

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So Michael Lorenzen can hit lol

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Yeah, its been impressive with what he has done with the bat lately. Ive always felt that he should be used more to hit, because the kid could have very easily been drafted as a CF'er, but when you have the ability to hit triple digits with your fastball, like he could, your going to be made a pitcher till you prove you cant do it. Lorenzen is also probably the fastest player on the team, not named Billy Hamilton.



It was funny, when he came to the plate, I hollered at my wife, that Lorenzen is PH and bases are loaded, so she ran into the room just in time to see him launch it into the seats. Were both big fans of his, due to the type of guy he is, and his Christian faith. I think it was last yr or the yr before, but he took if I remember right 3 homeless guys, and rented places for these guys, and bought them some clothes, till they could get back on their feet. So how can you not root for a guy like that, because he is even a better person, than he is a ballplayer.

[Sportsforever]

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Some Lorenzen stats:

- OPS+ of 640...take that Mike Trout or Mookie Betts.

- He has a WAR of 1.2 this year...and half of his value comes from his bat!

- In 65 career PA's he's got a 124 OPS+ with 5 HR's...nice option to have coming off the bench!

[jake44np]

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Yeah, its been impressive with what he has done with the bat lately. Ive always felt that he should be used more to hit, because the kid could have very easily been drafted as a CF'er, but when you have the ability to hit triple digits with your fastball, like he could, your going to be made a pitcher till you prove you cant do it. Lorenzen is also probably the fastest player on the team, not named Billy Hamilton.



It was funny, when he came to the plate, I hollered at my wife, that Lorenzen is PH and bases are loaded, so she ran into the room just in time to see him launch it into the seats. Were both big fans of his, due to the type of guy he is, and his Christian faith. I think it was last yr or the yr before, but he took if I remember right 3 homeless guys, and rented places for these guys, and bought them some clothes, till they could get back on their feet. So how can you not root for a guy like that, because he is even a better person, than he is a ballplayer.

3rd Fastest player, Peraza is way faster than Lorenzen.
Just heard Chris Welsh taking about this on Saturday night.
He said Lorenzen is consistently the 3rd fastest runner in ST when they run wind sprints behind Billy and Peraza.
I think people forgot how fast Peraza is because he is not a base stealer or good base runner.

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3rd Fastest player, Peraza is way faster than Lorenzen.
Just heard Chris Welsh taking about this on Saturday night.
He said Lorenzen is consistently the 3rd fastest runner in ST when they run wind sprints behind Billy and Peraza.
I think people forgot how fast Peraza is because he is not a base stealer or good base runner.

Yeah, Peraza is probably a faster than Lorenzen. Peraza has stolen I think 14 out of 15 or 16 this season. He is just one behind Billy due to Billy not being able to get on base

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Now just 10 games under .500 after beating the Cubs today. With the way the season started, with us not being able to pitch, hit or field, who would have imagine such a turnaround to the season. I told my wife just the other day, they dont even look like the same team from earlier in the season.



I knew we were better than the way we were playing to start the season, but didnt think we would see this much of a improvement with the change in manager, and coaching staff. I figured Darwin would do better with the pitching staff than Mack Jenkins, as I wasnt a fan of him anyway, Im sure he is a nice guy, but not a good pitching coach. Ive been a fan of Pat Kelly for a while now, and he would have been my choice to replace Price, so I figured he would definitely have a positive impact as bench coach. Riggleman has done a tremendous job, taking over like he did is not a easy thing to do, and while you do see a improvement some times right after a manager being fired during the season, it is usually short lived, and dont last too long. So Riggleman getting this team to play better and sustain it like they have so far is amazing.

[jake44np]

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A seven run 9th all with 2 outs to beat the hated Indians!
Votto-matic!

[CaseIH]

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Well while we may not get to the Postseason, but we have been giving the Cubs fits this season, and now we have thump the Cards in 2 straight and got their manager fired, so atleast we have something to cheer about this season after all


I actually was surprised that the Cards didnt fire Matheny at the end of last season. So Im not surprised by his firing other than them doing it in the middle of the season, as I figured they would do it at seasons end. I suppose they may be thinking, that a possible change in manager could be what the team needs, to make a run in a winnable decision. As its not like the Cubs or Brewers are that good to be able to run away from the pack. IMO the Cubs are under performing just as they did last season, as talent wise, they have as much talent as anyone in the NL, but are underperforming again this season.



I figure at some point we will hit a snag, as I cant imagine we will continue winning games at the rate we are. Be great if we continue winning games at the rate we are, because we could actually get in the mix for a postseason spot.

However I figure we will hit a wall at some point, with so many young pitchers, and the bullpen which has been solid for the most part, has shown signs of wearing down some.


While Im sure some fans think we should be tanking to get another high draft pick next yr, but Im not a fan of that thinking, no matter what sport were talking about, Id rather play to win, and be competitive. So Im glad we have been playing competitive ball, and more up to the talent level of the team. It just builds confidence of the younger players, which will pay off down the line in the future.


Also like hearing that Scooter seems to be part of the future plans of this team, he grew up a Reds fan, and loves being a Red. Also love hearing that Iggy, hopes to stay a Red, and play his whole career with us. I guess Im old school, but there is something to be said for guys, caring more about the organization, instead of only how much they can make, or playing in a big market. I know it may not be possible cost wise now days, to keep players for their whole careers, but its not a bad thing when players love where their at, and dont want to leave a organization.

[DamnYanks2]

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I'm rooting for this team to take the Central. That lineup has been relentless. But how do you explain that awful start and now this. Sucks they dug themselves this kind of hole.

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I'm rooting for this team to take the Central. That lineup has been relentless. But how do you explain that awful start and now this. Sucks they dug themselves this kind of hole.

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Yep, that 3-15 start basically doomed any real chance to contend for the postseason. Not that I thought going into the season that we would make the postseason, but I felt we should be more competitive than what we showed to start the season. I felt we could see the light at the end of the tunnel and play close to .500 baseball. Then in 19 be in position to compete for the postseason.
If we could have just played close to .500 baseball in those 1st 18 games, we would be in contention for the postseason. However strange things have happened before in baseball, so who knows if we manged to continue winning series, and with us seemingly giving the best team in our division in the Cubs some troubles, maybe things could get interesting come Sept.

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Nobody is going to steal Riggleman away lol. He's done a good job of righting the ship, but this team is/was way too talented to be 3-18.
The last thing the Reds need to do is hire someone without a full search, again. They did that with Price, and... Firing the manager them hiring his assistant for the full time job just screams you don't have a plan in place to me.

Riggleman deserves a fair shot to interview for the job this winter. But the Reds need to conduct a full national search for the position. Not just interview him and Larkin and call it a day.

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Yeah so apparently the Cards are really interested in Riggleman.
So maybe someone is going to come in and take him away.
If they lose him to the Cards I will be pissed. They should gave him a 3 year deal over the break!

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Yeah so apparently the Cards are really interested in Riggleman.
So maybe someone is going to come in and take him away.
If they lose him to the Cards I will be pissed. They should gave him a 3 year deal over the break!

I actually agree, I would be ticked off if we lost Riggleman to the Cards,lol. Im not saying to give him a contract right this minute, but if the team continues to improve, and play well, then there really is no reason to not make Riggleman the fulltime manager before the season ends, and make darn sure we dont lose Pat Kelly and Danny Darwin either. I believe both of these guys have alot to do with the turn around along with Riggleman.


We were a better team than the historically bad start we got off too, but I do not think things would have turned around like they have, if Price and Mac Jenkins hadnt been fired. When you go thru as much losing as we had over the past few yrs, and then get off to that bad of start, its obvious some changes needed to be made with manager and coaching staff, regardless if they were to be blamed or not. Because when you lose that much, players start to tune out the manager. Mac was a horrible a pitching coach, who should have never been given the job in the 1st place, and while I dont blame everything on Price, it was time to make the change.

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I actually agree, I would be ticked off if we lost Riggleman to the Cards,lol. Im not saying to give him a contract right this minute, but if the team continues to improve, and play well, then there really is no reason to not make Riggleman the fulltime manager before the season ends, and make darn sure we dont lose Pat Kelly and Danny Darwin either. I believe both of these guys have alot to do with the turn around along with Riggleman.


We were a better team than the historically bad start we got off too, but I do not think things would have turned around like they have, if Price and Mac Jenkins hadnt been fired. When you go thru as much losing as we had over the past few yrs, and then get off to that bad of start, its obvious some changes needed to be made with manager and coaching staff, regardless if they were to be blamed or not. Because when you lose that much, players start to tune out the manager. Mac was a horrible a pitching coach, who should have never been given the job in the 1st place, and while I dont blame everything on Price, it was time to make the change.

I don't get it, I just don't.
Everyone here in Cincy is saying let it play out and they should interview a bunch of guys for the job this offseason. And it Riggleman is still the best candidate hire him this off season. Hell no. What it this offseason another franchise wants him and he leaves?

Every single player to a man has said how much they love playing for him.
Every person inside the organization talks about how well he manages the game situation.
Every single person in the press has talked about how different the clubhouse is with him in charge. How it is a happy place and a place where they expect to win every game.

Again, I don't get it!
What else do they want?
Give the man a contract already!

This is starting to remind me of the Davey Johnson situation in the mid 90's.
The 3rd year and last year of his contract he wanted an extension the whole year.
The team told him they would talk at the end of the year.
He went 85-59 the last year and then walked.
Ended up leaving for the Orioles.
Two years later the Orioles had the best record in the AL and lost to the Indians in the AL Championship series.

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I don't get it, I just don't.
Everyone here in Cincy is saying let it play out and they should interview a bunch of guys for the job this offseason. And it Riggleman is still the best candidate hire him this off season. Hell no. What it this offseason another franchise wants him and he leaves?

Every single player to a man has said how much they love playing for him.
Every person inside the organization talks about how well he manages the game situation.
Every single person in the press has talked about how different the clubhouse is with him in charge. How it is a happy place and a place where they expect to win every game.

Again, I don't get it!
What else do they want?
Give the man a contract already!

This is starting to remind me of the Davey Johnson situation in the mid 90's.
The 3rd year and last year of his contract he wanted an extension the whole year.
The team told him they would talk at the end of the year.
He went 85-59 the last year and then walked.
Ended up leaving for the Orioles.
Two years later the Orioles had the best record in the AL and lost to the Indians in the AL Championship series.

I remember the whole Davey Johnson ordeal. Marge wanted Ray Knight to take over, and wanted Davey to go upstairs and work in the office, if I remember correctly that is.



It really wouldnt make much sense if we continue improving, and guys ar eplaying hard, it dont make much sense to wait till the off season. It wouldnt be fair to Riggleman, and it could also upset the players.


Its obvious the players like him and the coaching staff, otherwise we would have see this turn around like we did. Yeah we got some players back from injury that Price didnt have, but I think we were at the point where a new voice was needed.



While I was a fan of Barry Larkin, and always will be, Im just not sure how good he would do as a manager. I dont really want to find out either,lol.



Pat Kelly has long been my choice, I was for letting Price go last yr and bringing Pat Kelly up from Pensacola. However Riggleman as manager along with Pat Kelly as his bench coach and Darwin as pitching coach, all have played a huge role in this turnaround. No reason to mess with that.



Unless the wheel were to fall off, in the next couple months, there is no reason not to go ahead and get a deal done, with Riggleman, along with making sure Kelly stays on a bench coach and Darwin pitching coach.


I wouldnt want to lose any of them. Its proven to be a good combo along with Hatcher and Long at hitting coach, so I dont want to mess with that. Our hitting has improve since Jacoby was fired, one of the best day of my life was when Jacoby got firedHis whole grip and rip, and swing hard, swing early and often, theory, use to make me want to punch wholes in my walls

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I don't get it, I just don't.
Everyone here in Cincy is saying let it play out and they should interview a bunch of guys for the job this offseason. And it Riggleman is still the best candidate hire him this off season. Hell no. What it this offseason another franchise wants him and he leaves?

Every single player to a man has said how much they love playing for him.
Every person inside the organization talks about how well he manages the game situation.
Every single person in the press has talked about how different the clubhouse is with him in charge. How it is a happy place and a place where they expect to win every game.

Again, I don't get it!
What else do they want?
Give the man a contract already!

This is starting to remind me of the Davey Johnson situation in the mid 90's.
The 3rd year and last year of his contract he wanted an extension the whole year.
The team told him they would talk at the end of the year.
He went 85-59 the last year and then walked.
Ended up leaving for the Orioles.
Two years later the Orioles had the best record in the AL and lost to the Indians in the AL Championship series.

You know the last time the Reds made a managerial decision without interviewing anyone? It was Bryan Price, which turned out spectacularly.
Riggleman is going a good, not great job with a talented team that got healthy and started hitting. He still manages like it's 1995. He's basically on his last chance after essentially being black balled after his stunt in Washington.
There is nothing that says the Reds should hire him now without interviewing anyone. That would be repeating the same mistakes the Reds have made so many times in their past.

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