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  • KSUowls
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    • Jul 2009
    • 5894

    #16
    Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

    I will say in Snit's defense that there aren't a lot of right options right now. For some reason Luke Jackson and AJ Minter are still on this team, and Will Smith has only been slightly better than a disaster. The best guy out of the pen so far this season was also the one who ended up loading the bases to start the 7th last night.

    That being said, it's hard to defend him when he pulls a starter after 69 pitches with a 10 run lead Sunday night and the veteran that they are paying $15m for year with less than 100 pitchers and pitching great last night. These kind of things happen far too often under his watch.

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    • knucklecutter
      Pro
      • Mar 2020
      • 608

      #17
      Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

      Rizzo just struck out Freeman... wow
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      • KSUowls
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        • Jul 2009
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        #18
        Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

        So...can we get an $11m refund on Smyly?

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        • canes21
          Hall Of Fame
          • Sep 2008
          • 22932

          #19
          Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

          We suck. Plain and simple.

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          • KSUowls
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            • Jul 2009
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            #20
            Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

            The one saving grace is that no one in the East has had a strong first month, but this really is concerning.

            The injury bug is piling up and it's hurting.
            D'arnaud going on the 60 day IL is a big problem even if he wasn't really swinging the bat well through April.
            Heredia getting hurt is a problem because he was one of the best performers so far at the plate.
            Soroka having a setback is even more problematic given the state of the pitching staff
            Acuna/Ozzie/Fried all missing some time has not helped either.

            Pitching performance is just very not good:
            It's going to be time very soon to give up on the $11m given to Smyly.
            Luke Jackson has not been near as good as his ERA suggests. More instances like last night are inevitable (just like it's always been with him).
            Bryse Wilson still doesn't look like a major league pitcher, not sure why they haven't given Wright another shot.
            Max Fried didn't look good in any of his starts prior to going on the IL

            Other than Acuna, the offense was abysmal top to bottom for the first 2 weeks. It's started to pick up a bit over the last week or two though, outside of the fake double header. Ozzie has picked it up a bit and Riley has been on fire lately, and Acuna is still really good. It's still far from the offense that can carry a team though.

            The few positives are:
            Acuna is as good as there is
            Anderson has been pretty good
            Babe "Ynoa" Ruth

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            • LowerWolf
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jun 2006
              • 12272

              #21
              Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

              Hated the Smyly signing from the get-go.

              That $11M we gave him could have gone to Melancon, Greene and Duvall.

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              • KSUowls
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                • Jul 2009
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                #22
                Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                Stealing this from the game thread.

                Originally posted by canes21
                Worst Braves team since the Gonzalez days easily, and again, it isn't a talent issue.

                This offense right now is unwatchable. I know that Atlanta is among the worst in baseball with RISP, but I wonder where they rank with RISP less than 2 outs. It's absurd how many times they have had runners at 2nd or even 3rd with either 0 or 1 outs and been able to cash in on any runs.

                This whole team is just a mess right now.
                Snit deserves blame for his handling of the bullpen
                AA deserves blame for running with a 10 man bullpen all year and spending money on Smyly
                The bullpen sucks
                The offense is a mix of unlucky (lots of hard hit balls right at people) and inept (lots of strikeouts with runners in scoring position)
                The rotation only has 2 guys who have been remotely reliable



                The only good news that I can give is that x-rays on Acuna were negative and he's day-to-day.

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                • canes21
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Sep 2008
                  • 22932

                  #23
                  Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                  We are lucky the rest of the division stinks as much as they do. If the offense can ever put it together and be a consistent unit moving forward the team will likely win the division again, but the pitching needs to be solved before any thought can be put towards winning a playoff series again.

                  When practically every single pitcher on the roster has the same struggles, I don't see it as a talent issue, it's an approach, coaching, etc. issue that is causing them all to do the same things leading to the same results with the only variable being the talent differentials between pitchers. Some guys have better stuff than others on staff, obviously, but they all have the same exact weaknesses to a varying degree.
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                  • KSUowls
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                    • Jul 2009
                    • 5894

                    #24
                    Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                    There definitely seems to be a shift in baseball at large, which I believe is impacting some of what we're seeing. However, even with the widespread change in philosophy there are still young guys around the league who know how to pound the strike zone, but somehow even with all of the resources that Atlanta has committed to pitching over the last 5-7 years...well here is a list of names that I could quickly think of. Soroka and to a lesser extent Folty are the only ones with consistently low walk rates. If you exclude MLB performance then you can include Bryse Wilson in there as well. Ynoa hasn't walked many yet, but he did have issues with walks at the minor leagues, so we can't say yet if this is real or not.


                    Soroka
                    Fried
                    Newcomb
                    Minter
                    Gohara
                    Sims
                    Wisler
                    Blair
                    Anderson
                    Touki
                    Ynoa
                    Muller
                    Allard
                    Wilson
                    Wright
                    Folty
                    Jackson

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                    • KSUowls
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                      • Jul 2009
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                      #25
                      Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                      Mike Soroka felt discomfort in his Achilles and will undergo an exploratory surgery

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                      Last edited by KSUowls; 05-12-2021, 03:13 PM.

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                      • canes21
                        Hall Of Fame
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 22932

                        #26
                        Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                        The bullpen was the biggest issue when AA came to Atlanta. Years later and the bullpen is worse. What has he done as a GM to improve this organization?
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                        • KSUowls
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                          • Jul 2009
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                          #27
                          Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                          Ya I am not impressed with AA. He made a nice flurry of moves to improve the bullpen at the trade deadline in 2019, but I'm not sure what else that he's done that we should be impressed by. JD and Ozuna the first time around were home runs to fill the middle of the order, and d'arnaed was a good signing last year. Beyond that though the best thing that I can say about him is that he hasn't traded away the farm for short term fixes.

                          On the bright side, all the injuries this year and the horrid bullpen really don't matter. At nearly the quarter mark of the season With only 2 starting position players hitting over .230 and the 2 veterans SPs that they spent $26m on having ERAs north of 5....well it doesn't matter that we might not see Soroka or Travis the rest of the year or that Acuna could miss a couple weeks.

                          Acunas x-rays megative

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                          • LowerWolf
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Jun 2006
                            • 12272

                            #28
                            Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                            I don't know that not trading the farm is a good thing.

                            We hold on to our prospects, shuttle them back and forth between Gwinnett and watch their value plummet. If you're not going to give them the chance to thrive in Atlanta, then trade them for someone who can help.

                            The light seemed to come on for Wright/Wilson in the playoffs last year. Ynoa looked great in his relief outing against LA. Rather than give themselves a chance to prove themselves this year, we gave $11M to Smyly. That's not hindsight, I hated the Smyly signing as soon as it was announced.

                            We claim we don't have money for the pen, but $11M there in the offseason would have helped.

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                            • KSUowls
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                              • Jul 2009
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                              #29
                              Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                              I'm ok trading the farm in the right instances, but I don't want to see high ceiling prospects traded for rentals. I'm very curious what trade talks have occurred since AA took over. I remember the Marlins asking for Acuna for Realmuto, but there really haven't been many rumors that have popped up the last couple of years.

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                              • canes21
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Sep 2008
                                • 22932

                                #30
                                Re: 2021 Atlanta Braves

                                Originally posted by LowerWolf
                                I don't know that not trading the farm is a good thing.

                                We hold on to our prospects, shuttle them back and forth between Gwinnett and watch their value plummet. If you're not going to give them the chance to thrive in Atlanta, then trade them for someone who can help.

                                The light seemed to come on for Wright/Wilson in the playoffs last year. Ynoa looked great in his relief outing against LA. Rather than give themselves a chance to prove themselves this year, we gave $11M to Smyly. That's not hindsight, I hated the Smyly signing as soon as it was announced.

                                We claim we don't have money for the pen, but $11M there in the offseason would have helped.
                                Agree nearly 100% with this. What makes the Smyly signing worse is we knew the bullpen was going to suffer, we knew we had a plethora of young arms and could give them chances, and AA still throws $11 million to get Smyly and says it's a risky signing. Sometimes the best GM play is just doing what everyone else would do and not try and be different. Even if Smyly was throwing well he'd still watch each of his leads disappear once the pen came into the game so I don't know what the end goal with the signing was.
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