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  • apollooff320
    Banned
    • Oct 2007
    • 1456

    #1

    2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

    MyGM is just horrible. I see rookies who roles that are prospect and they are still pissed and demand a trade. Also the trades are worst on next gen then current gen and some of these trades butcher some starting line ups. Clippers have traded Riddick for Blatche and Blatche is starting over Deandre Jordon and he's now a freaking bench player. This crap needs to be fixed now when we don't have the ability to turn off roles or trades. All this game is good for is playing quick games.
  • Leftos
    NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
    • Oct 2010
    • 1255

    #2
    Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

    The rookies that got pissed off and asked for a trade, what was their overall? Just because they're rookies and set as prospects by the team doesn't mean they're going to be satisfied with that role and the playing time that comes with it. But if you see a low-rated rookie or a rookie that's getting more than enough minutes get pissed off for no apparent reason, let me know.
    Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
    NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
    Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
    Novato, CA, USA

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    • apollooff320
      Banned
      • Oct 2007
      • 1456

      #3
      Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

      Originally posted by Leftos
      The rookies that got pissed off and asked for a trade, what was their overall? Just because they're rookies and set as prospects by the team doesn't mean they're going to be satisfied with that role and the playing time that comes with it. But if you see a low-rated rookie or a rookie that's getting more than enough minutes get pissed off for no apparent reason, let me know.
      It was Otter Porter 73 overall and Oladipo 75 overall gets pissed off that he's a 6th man.

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      • Leftos
        NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
        • Oct 2010
        • 1255

        #4
        Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

        If you can get me their player cards (career stats tab so I can look at their GP and MPG) for the season as well as their morale, it would be very helpful. Cheers.
        Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
        NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
        Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
        Novato, CA, USA

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        • Gosens6
          All Star
          • Oct 2007
          • 6101

          #5
          2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

          Originally posted by Leftos
          The rookies that got pissed off and asked for a trade, what was their overall? Just because they're rookies and set as prospects by the team doesn't mean they're going to be satisfied with that role and the playing time that comes with it. But if you see a low-rated rookie or a rookie that's getting more than enough minutes get pissed off for no apparent reason, let me know.
          I'm sorry Leftos, I see you're trying to justify this, but player roles need to GO.

          Theres no ifs, ands or buts about it, it ruins the game. Guys who would have NO qualms coming off the bench in real life are constantly pissed. Even guys with low 70 ratings who are labeled as sixth man are still getting pissed off.

          Some of these situations should never happen, some guys need a personality trait that will allow them to not get mad at their role. Way too much is based just on overall rating, this is not the way to do it, especially not in basketball with ever changing lineups on a nightly basis.

          I thought you guys would finally have a smart franchise experience, but player roles and overall ratings ruin the entire mode. If they're not removed, or fixed exponentially next year, I won't be buying the game. The option to turn off player roles was an essential part of CG that we desperately needed for NG. They've become overblown and unrealistic
          Last edited by Gosens6; 11-20-2013, 04:34 PM.

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          • haloofduty
            Pro
            • Aug 2008
            • 861

            #6
            Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

            I knew mygm would be plagued with association issues. I'm sad because I had to cancel my xbox one preorder. I was going to get bf4 also but nba 2k14 association/mygm was the MAIN reason I was getting one. Foolishly I thought upgrading to a $500 console and 2k having the power of next generation consoles I thought all the lingering issues (for years) would FINALLY be fixed.
            Last edited by haloofduty; 11-20-2013, 04:40 PM.

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            • cthurt
              MVP
              • Oct 2009
              • 2525

              #7
              Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

              Originally posted by Gosens6
              I'm sorry Leftos, I see you're trying to justify this, but player roles need to GO.

              Theres no ifs, ands or buts about it, it ruins the game. Guys who would have NO qualms coming off the bench in real life are constantly pissed. Even guys with low 70 ratings who are labeled as sixth man are still getting pissed off.

              Some of these situations should never happen, some guys need a personality trait that will allow them to not get mad at their role. Way too much is based just on overall rating, this is not the way to do it, especially not in basketball with ever changing lineups on a nightly basis.

              I thought you guys would finally have a smart franchise experience, but player roles and overall ratings ruin the entire mode. If they're not removed, or fixed exponentially next year, I won't be buying the game.
              Its been like this for years guys, only difference is we could turn it off, this was what people like me was worried about when things like 32 team control was taken out I knew then that I would have to live with crazy trades and random upset players, the game either needs to have the logic totally fixed or 2k needs to bring back the options to turn things like cpu trade and player roles off.


              im not sure why 2k is being so restricted this year but it isnt a good look,

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              • Gosens6
                All Star
                • Oct 2007
                • 6101

                #8
                Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                Originally posted by cthurt
                Its been like this for years guys, only difference is we could turn it off, this was what people like me was worried about when things like 32 team control was taken out I knew then that I would have to live with crazy trades and random upset players, the game either needs to have the logic totally fixed or 2k needs to bring back the options to turn things like cpu trade and player roles off.


                im not sure why 2k is being so restricted this year but it isnt a good look,
                Yeah for real. Not being able to play offline, not being able to save rosters, and now all this player roles nonsense in MyGM, on top of not being able to play any game on the schedule is really pushing me away from this game


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                • Leftos
                  NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 1255

                  #9
                  Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                  Originally posted by Gosens6
                  I'm sorry Leftos, I see you're trying to justify this, but player roles need to GO.

                  Theres no ifs, ands or buts about it, it ruins the game. Guys who would have NO qualms coming off the bench in real life are constantly pissed. Even guys with low 70 ratings who are labeled as sixth man are still getting pissed off.

                  Some of these situations should never happen, some guys need a personality trait that will allow them to not get mad at their role. Way too much is based just on overall rating, this is not the way to do it, especially not in basketball with ever changing lineups on a nightly basis.

                  I thought you guys would finally have a smart franchise experience, but player roles and overall ratings ruin the entire mode. If they're not removed, or fixed exponentially next year, I won't be buying the game. The option to turn off player roles was an essential part of CG that we desperately needed for NG. They've become overblown and unrealistic
                  They have to go with no ifs or buts but then you suggest that certain personality traits should make players not get pissed off so much about that? I mean I'm all for discussion of the way certain things work, but you can't come at the subject like that. Do they need to go, or do they need to take more factors into account? If you ask me, I'd prefer to flesh out morale, chemistry and roles rather than take them out altogether, and I'd be all ears for ideas that maybe I haven't thought of already.
                  Last edited by Leftos; 11-20-2013, 04:46 PM.
                  Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                  NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                  Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                  Novato, CA, USA

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                  • Gosens6
                    All Star
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 6101

                    #10
                    Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                    Originally posted by Leftos
                    They have to go with no ifs or buts but then you suggest that certain personality traits should make players not get pissed off so much about that? I mean I'm all for discussion of the way certain things work, but you can't come at the subject like that. Do they need to go, or do they need to take more factors into account? If you ask me, I'd prefer to flesh out morale, chemistry and roles rather than take them out altogether, and I'd be all ears for ideas that maybe I haven't thought of already. This needs to be a discussion, not an ultimatum.
                    Basically, all I was saying was if they're not fixed, or if you guys can't fix them, they should go.

                    If you're intent on keeping them, there needs to be something added to make certain guys not get so upset at their roles. How often does an nba coach keep their starting lineups the same every night? Could you imagine if real life was like 2K, a crazy amount of trades happening because gloried role players are always upset?

                    Jarret jack is a perfect example. He's always upset in this game about starting, but he signed with Cleveland knowing he would be the backup to Irving.

                    Add a personality trait like, "willing to come off bench", which a majority of the league should have. This would put an end to the unnecessary morale issues we're seeing with all these players


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                    • Gosens6
                      All Star
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 6101

                      #11
                      Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                      There needs to be a system in place that removes overall rating.

                      Keep individual attributes, but have teams and coaches base their lineups on statistical output and production, not just overall rating. A system where teams actually looked at attributes that fit their team play style, instead of just an arbitrary overall rating would go a long way


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                      • cthurt
                        MVP
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 2525

                        #12
                        Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                        Originally posted by Gosens6
                        There needs to be a system in place that removes overall rating.

                        Keep individual attributes, but have teams and coaches base their lineups on statistical output and production, not just overall rating. A system where teams actually looked at attributes that fit their team play style, instead of just an arbitrary overall rating would go a long way


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                        This is the type of creative ideas I wanted in next gen gaming. Id be behind this idea 100% if implemented correctly.

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                        • franzis
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 1451

                          #13
                          Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                          Originally posted by Leftos
                          They have to go with no ifs or buts but then you suggest that certain personality traits should make players not get pissed off so much about that? I mean I'm all for discussion of the way certain things work, but you can't come at the subject like that. Do they need to go, or do they need to take more factors into account? If you ask me, I'd prefer to flesh out morale, chemistry and roles rather than take them out altogether, and I'd be all ears for ideas that maybe I haven't thought of already.
                          I have never been an Association guy but I have always tought that coaches in 2k could have a bigger role in overall team performance.
                          Since the introduction of badges in MyGM, you can add a coach badge with the power to "calm down" players, boost their morale and make them more happy with their playtime.

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                          • Leftos
                            NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 1255

                            #14
                            Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                            See now we're discussing ideas. That's what I like to see. Not just "this is broken, rip it out" posts.

                            I'm taking notes guys, keep it coming.
                            Eleftherios "Leftos" Aslanoglou
                            NBA 2K AI Software Engineer
                            Visual Concepts Entertainment / 2K Sports
                            Novato, CA, USA

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                            • apollooff320
                              Banned
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 1456

                              #15
                              Re: 2K needs to patch player roles NOW and not wait until next year.

                              had to sim MyGM just to show these things again. This time Jordan is a role player instead of bench player. Gibson doesn't even want to be a 6th man and I don't know why Javale is on the Wizards again.






                              Last edited by apollooff320; 11-20-2013, 05:10 PM.

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