NBA 2k15 Player Regression in MYLeague Testing

[JRxPHANTOM]

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Maybe one of us should make a video about it. Or get one of those "famous" 2k youtube guys to make a video about it. I guarantee once it picks up a few thousand views 2k would take notice.

Seriously. It seems 2K has ignored this issue so far.

[DurtySoufReppin]

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This is a good topic and I'd like to add my 2 cents as a roster junkie and 2k/NBA fanatic.


The problem I have with the regression is not the overall that goes down, but the specific skills that are taken away from specific players.

For instance, players last long based on their skillset and some things are gained from age and some are diminished.

For instance, a player like Kyrie Irving can regress after the age 30, but 2k takes away skills that make Kyrie who he is that make him completely useless.

Kyrie is a good shooter, his 3s are in the high 80s, but by the time he regress his 3 is in the low to mid 70s. That makes his overall go down much too fast because on top of that his athleticism goes down as well.

Shooting is a skill that does not diminish and usually goes up over time and not down.

Let's take a player like Jason Kidd who developed a jumper late in his years and never lost his passing ability, he lost his athleticism and never his vision or his quick hands, things that are instinctive.

I understand everyone isn't like this, but 2k makes this happen to everyone, waaaay too fast.



2K needs to have a much better formula on what specific attributes are usually taken away and/or gained from certain players. You can base these things on badges/personality as well. A player with a "hard work" can bounce back from old age and injuries. Certain badges can also have more longevity than other badges like Spot Up Shooter or Dimer.

[JRxPHANTOM]

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This is a good topic and I'd like to add my 2 cents as a roster junkie and 2k/NBA fanatic.


The problem I have with the regression is not the overall that goes down, but the specific skills that are taken away from specific players.

For instance, players last long based on their skillset and some things are gained from age and some are diminished.

For instance, a player like Kyrie Irving can regress after the age 30, but 2k takes away skills that make Kyrie who he is that make him completely useless.

Kyrie is a good shooter, his 3s are in the high 80s, but by the time he regress his 3 is in the low to mid 70s. That makes his overall go down much too fast because on top of that his athleticism goes down as well.

Shooting is a skill that does not diminish and usually goes up over time and not down.

Let's take a player like Jason Kidd who developed a jumper late in his years and never lost his passing ability, he lost his athleticism and never his vision or his quick hands, things that are instinctive.

I understand everyone isn't like this, but 2k makes this happen to everyone, waaaay too fast.



2K needs to have a much better formula on what specific attributes are usually taken away and/or gained from certain players. You can base these things on badges/personality as well. A player with a "hard work" can bounce back from old age and injuries. Certain badges can also have more longevity than other badges like Spot Up Shooter or Dimer.

Yeah I can see your logic. This would probably require a complete overhaul though. If ratings are getting reduced at a slower rate, it will help the drops not seem as significant. I just want this to be patched in this game. And if we want to get this patched, it has to be a simple fix. Honestly, I'll take any fix at this point.

On the other hand, when LD2K stated the team was looking into regression, I was happy that someone at least recognized the issue. Since then(the day patch 3 first came out), there has been no indication of a new patch at all,so my hope has gone down. As I stated earlier, the whole xbox one patch delay problem probably lowered the chances of another patch being added to this game. It's a shame.

[BluFu]

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But why is that so unrealistic about Rondo?

There are countless guys who are getting overpaid as aging, declining veterans.

One issue here is that our information is too good--we actually KNOW that the player's OVR declined 4 points. In real life, you'd never know that--you'd just be signing a player off a good season, and hope that he still has a few good years left in the tank. There are no absolute ratings in real life, so guys do get overpaid. It's only unrealistic insofar as you actually know Rondo's true attributes and that they've declined before the season even started. THAT'S what is unrealistic.

In my mind, the computer doing stupid things is at least one way to approximate the fact that information is imperfect in real basketball. Further, real-world basketball is also full of stupidity--look at Isiah Thomas' tenure as Knicks GM, for one. It'd be really cool if there was a spectrum of CPU GM AI, and that there were a few really bright GMs and a few really, really stupid ones.

I'd love it if the game actually introduced more error in player ratings, and made it dependent on scouting ability and also using advanced statistics. But that would drive this game way more towards stats-based sim, which is a much smaller market share.

patiently waiting on the day the CPU gives out contracts based on production/accolades rather than OVR rating

[flo182]

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This is a good topic and I'd like to add my 2 cents as a roster junkie and 2k/NBA fanatic.


The problem I have with the regression is not the overall that goes down, but the specific skills that are taken away from specific players.

For instance, players last long based on their skillset and some things are gained from age and some are diminished.

For instance, a player like Kyrie Irving can regress after the age 30, but 2k takes away skills that make Kyrie who he is that make him completely useless.

Kyrie is a good shooter, his 3s are in the high 80s, but by the time he regress his 3 is in the low to mid 70s. That makes his overall go down much too fast because on top of that his athleticism goes down as well.

Shooting is a skill that does not diminish and usually goes up over time and not down.

Let's take a player like Jason Kidd who developed a jumper late in his years and never lost his passing ability, he lost his athleticism and never his vision or his quick hands, things that are instinctive.

I understand everyone isn't like this, but 2k makes this happen to everyone, waaaay too fast.



2K needs to have a much better formula on what specific attributes are usually taken away and/or gained from certain players. You can base these things on badges/personality as well. A player with a "hard work" can bounce back from old age and injuries. Certain badges can also have more longevity than other badges like Spot Up Shooter or Dimer.

Totally agree with you.

Regression should be divided in 3 parts.

1. Physical / athleticism: Heavy decrease around Age 30 as well as becomign more injury prone.

2. Skills part: Shooting, blocking etc. This is a bit difficult because I think it really depends on the player. Some of them get better over time but especially skills like driving to the basket or blocking probably depend on your atheticism and shouldnt go up until you're 35.

3. Tactical / IQ: I dont think we even have to talk about. Chris Paul loosing his vision & floor general qualities because he's turned 29? Thats ridiculous.

I'm no expert but I think it'd be a great start to connect Regression, Age and these 3 different parts of a players skillset (which are already in the game as we can see when entering the training screen)

[JRxPHANTOM]

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Totally agree with you.

Regression should be divided in 3 parts.

1. Physical / athleticism: Heavy decrease around Age 30 as well as becomign more injury prone.

2. Skills part: Shooting, blocking etc. This is a bit difficult because I think it really depends on the player. Some of them get better over time but especially skills like driving to the basket or blocking probably depend on your atheticism and shouldnt go up until you're 35.

3. Tactical / IQ: I dont think we even have to talk about. Chris Paul loosing his vision & floor general qualities because he's turned 29? Thats ridiculous.

I'm no expert but I think it'd be a great start to connect Regression, Age and these 3 different parts of a players skillset (which are already in the game as we can see when entering the training screen)

Athleticism and defensive abilities should probably regress as the player gets older, such as blocks, speed, quickness, etc. Maybe even shooting but to a very minimal extent. IQ should stay relative close to what the original IQ level was from the player. Again though, the main problem are the number of ratings that are lost. The ratings become such a huge drop off for too many players around the league. Lets just hope there is any indication of a fix of any kind soon because I feel once we get around to all star break IRL then there's definitely not going to be any patches anymore.

[nip83]

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The only fix i can see happening for now is a way to contain the points a player gets reduced overall through the years 28 to 32 and i don't know if that is even possible at this point.

Other than that it's highly unrealistic to ask for an overhaul of the whole progression system (e.g. heavy decline in athleticism and stay the same for tactical and fundamentals or suggestions like players having development curves).These should be proposed in the 2k16 wishlist instead.

At this point the devs' attention is between major issues like online,bug fixes and gameplay tuning,performance fixes(stuttering etc.) plus the added load of daily updates.

If and when a new patch comes up, do you really expect them to introduce a whole new system (development wise this means new variables,object classes and functions on a preexisting working environment-a major no-no) that is tied to 3 major modes(mygm/myleague and to a lesser extent mycareer) and has possible dependencies on training,contract signing and who knows else?

[CWSapp757]

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone was implying that they expected all of those major regression changes in a patch this year. I'm pretty sure people just want this year's version to be tweaked so that so many players over 28 are useless.

[JRxPHANTOM]

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone was implying that they expected all of those major regression changes in a patch this year. I'm pretty sure people just want this year's version to be tweaked so that so many players over 28 are useless.

Yeah, all these major regression changes that require major work probably wouldn't be in a patch this year anyways. All we need is just the ratings to not drop this much this year. A major overhaul is too much to ask for currently. I just want any fix right now, even if it's small.

[BluFu]

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is it just me or does anyone think overalls wouldn't drop as much if the rating system was different? it's still heavily based on athleticism

[SavoyPrime]

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Are we ever gonna hear back from LD2K on if the regression issue will be fixed or not? Dude said he was going to get with the dev team, then it has been crickets ever since. It has been weeks. I just want a yay or nay on the subject smh

[darkknightrises]

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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think anyone was implying that they expected all of those major regression changes in a patch this year. I'm pretty sure people just want this year's version to be tweaked so that so many players over 28 are useless.

Yeah I just want it to where 95% of player who are 30-31 don't get worse and I just want it to where more guys who get worse get worse by 1-2 a year instead of the 4-6 a year. Even if they made it to where half of the amount of guys at 28-31 get worse then they do right now and where like half of those 4-6 points drop offs where 1-2 points instead things would be a lot lot better.

[JRxPHANTOM]

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Are we ever gonna hear back from LD2K on if the regression issue will be fixed or not? Dude said he was going to get with the dev team, then it has been crickets ever since. It has been weeks. I just want a yay or nay on the subject smh

It has been like close to a month lol. Still no news.

[SavoyPrime]

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It has been like close to a month lol. Still no news.

Exactly. Makes no sense.

[Matty Aqua]

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Yeah man, I think you and Aqua both are looking at the overalls of the players as soon as you hit the offseason. That was what I also did initially and was shocked that anyone considered it an issue because I mostly saw people not dropping at all.


In all actuality however, the issue takes place once following the free agency period when you go through the "player progression" task. That is where everyone's overall points drop so much. And it's not the stars that are the problems. It's the players a tier below them. I know that this has been done numerous times but I just want to reiterate. Below is a list of some of the players over 28 at the player progression screen.


Lebron James - 97(0)
Chris Paul - 88(-2)
Rajon Rondo - 84(-3)
Kobe Bryant - 83(-4)
Dwayne Wade - 82(-3)
LaMarcus Aldridge - 81(-2)
Roy Hibbert - 76(-4)
Kyle Lowry - 75(-4)
Paul Millsap 74(-5)
Luol Deng - 75(-4)
Jeff Green - 73(-5)
Courtney Lee - 74(-4)
Taj Gibson - 71(-4)
Omer Asik - 70(-5)
J.R. Smith 70(-5)
Tiaggo Splitter - 70(-4)
Kevin Martin - 69(-7)
Martell Webster - 67(-5)
Andrea Bargani - 67(-4)
Jason Thompson - 65(-5)
Marcus Thornton - 66(-5)






From looking at the players above, I think it is fair to say that the stars/superstars are regressing at a reasonable rate. I think that most people don't have a problem with the way the big time players regress. I think the bigger issue is that the NBA is full of quality starters/role players that are over the age of 28 but when they decrease 4 and 5 points each year on a CONSISTENT BASIS, they simply disappear.

I see now, you were right I was just looking at player overalls and was skipping past the player progression screens were the horrid plague of deficiency begins!...

If you guys Notice the TREND, it is the Guys who SPEND a TON of time Breaking Down and Editing the Game that SEE the ISSUE. Casual guys who DONT Edit or Make a COMPLETE Roster Edit in a WEEK(LOL), dont see the issue and that is fine. This Thread was made for guys who Spend ALOT of time trying to get the game to play properly. IF you dont see an ISSUE, STOP CLOGGING up Thread. I made it for Potential FIXES to be posted and talked about.

Sorry VT, didn't mean to clog up the thread, I just couldn't work out what everyone was talking about!...Hopefully Leftos can help us out here with some info or an update!, as it stands the only cure is to record every attribute lost at the player progression screen and manually return them via edit or lower every players age!...

always something with NBA 2k it seems!....

always something!