There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

[The 24th Letter]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Just noticed during my last game.....hitting LT when being crowd by a defender backs them off.....


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[Optik]

Re: There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

Still seeing the same 2K defenders with their weak arguments on this topic...Lol...Defending warping, grabbing and bumping by CPU when it gets beat off the dribble and then cheeses back into position. Absolutely unbelievable.

I'm .500 with Washington online ranked right now. Played like 60 matches. I think about 5-6 people played on-ball defense after the 1st qtr. There's a reason for that. CPU defense does all the work for you. Cheese and all. Really lame online experience (IMO) so far due to this, not gonna lie. There are other problems with the gameplay as well. Don't kid yourselves.

Playing on-ball defense isn't inherently more virtuous than playing off-ball. We have been given all sorts of defensive settings this year and they are all instructions for the CPU defense. This isn't 1 on 1 we're playing. You do what is necessary to break down your opponent. The real NBA isn't iso-heavy and neither should this game be. If your opponent is "hiding" what is that to you? We have the most extensive freelance offense scheme ever in a basketball game. You have so many tools at your disposal. Use them! Your facing a human, humans have patterns. Recognise them early and use them to your advantage.

If you've come across a person who likes to turbo off every inbound, first of all I think 2k should have a look at it just to make sure it's not over-powered so don't think I don't consider it cheesy. Having said that we have more ways than before to stop stuff like this (some of which I haven't tried myself). OK, maybe Limit Transition isn't enough, but you could half court press him once in a while, half court trap him if he likes to turbo near the sidelines, force him baseline, pick him up manually if you're good enough on D (anyone know how to make CPU do this?) etc. You could get a little cynical yourself and start intentionally fouling him when it seems he's got the step on you. Maybe you're doing the right thing by using your best defender on him but is your defender's stamina low? Can you use another defender that might not have the wingspan of your best defender but has more lateral quickness?

What I love about this game is that it makes you think more than ever. Calling timeouts and making adjustments no longer seem to be superficial with placebo effects.

[ataman5]

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Playing on-ball defense isn't inherently more virtuous than playing off-ball. We have been given all sorts of defensive settings this year and they are all instructions for the CPU defense. This isn't 1 on 1 we're playing. You do what is necessary to break down your opponent. The real NBA isn't iso-heavy and neither should this game be. If your opponent is "hiding" what is that to you? We have the most extensive freelance offense scheme ever in a basketball game. You have so many tools at your disposal. Use them! Your facing a human, humans have patterns. Recognise them early and use them to your advantage.

If you've come across a person who likes to turbo off every inbound, first of all I think 2k should have a look at it just to make sure it's not over-powered so don't think I don't consider it cheesy. Having said that we have more ways than before to stop stuff like this (some of which I haven't tried myself). OK, maybe Limit Transition isn't enough, but you could half court press him once in a while, half court trap him if he likes to turbo near the sidelines, force him baseline, pick him up manually if you're good enough on D (anyone know how to make CPU do this?) etc. You could get a little cynical yourself and start intentionally fouling him when it seems he's got the step on you. Maybe you're doing the right thing by using your best defender on him but is your defender's stamina low? Can you use another defender that might not have the wingspan of your best defender but has more lateral quickness?

What I love about this game is that it makes you think more than ever. Calling timeouts and making adjustments no longer seem to be superficial with placebo effects.

Exactly to add some example to what you already explain very clearly can also be seen in different offensive schemes that you can change on the fly. I was playing a Play Now Online the other day and i was Lakers the opponent changed the Defense to Zone and in the next 2 possessions my offense kinda stumbled then i realized why not change it to 3-2 Zone Offense scheme so i did and he's tortured. That's one of the simple example of how deep and strategy-full this game is!

Before any of the guys here complain should ask themselves these questions ?

- What am i doing wrong ?
- What arsenal can i make use of ?
- And last do i execute right ?

If you check all these you won't have to contribute to any whining threads that keeps opening here.

[whatitisinsports]

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I want to first say that this is one of the best sports Sims ever,,, however... My career pg 2nd year, all of a sudden ran into the Hornets and their all world pg, 37 year old rasual Butler and the game decided to break. I could not for the life of my get past him. He turned into prime Gary Payton. Pro difficulty btw. In the same game rajon Rondo became Reggie Miller. Also while we are at it,, huge problem with opponent A. I. Getting and 1s,and just shooting fouls in general with anybody, regardless of situation or person guarding them. I swear I thought the game magically turned into 2k15.

[Sundown]

There is nothing wrong with the CPU on-ball defense. Here are some tips....

I have nothing against what you have said at all man, 40% of success in contested shot is OK, but what's % of success in contested shots in the game? 10%?

And this example is also valid for the other way around: what's the % of success of uncontested shots of this guys IRL? 60-65%? I can't see the exact data now, but I'm quite sure it's much lower than what we see in the game in these situations, which is around 80-85% in the games I've played.

It's not making the game simpler, it's making the game more balanced, you substract from uncontested and add it to contested. Lowering uncontested % would allow CPU defenders not being glued to the user all the time, but it's just my opinion man.

Uncontested three pointers fall at 40% in the NBA. Uncontested midrange fall at 45%. About 65% of threes are uncontested, and only 35-38% of threes are actually contested.

Contested threes (2-4 feet) fall at around 30? (some very high depending on the player-- Nick Young was hitting 42 a few seasons ago). Tightly contested accuracy drops down significantly, but those shots account for less than 2 percent of all three pointers taken.

[WaddupCouzin]

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I play on Pro because I find it to be the best balance and most realistic without needing to be a wizard with the sticks. I believe these issues are worse on AA/SS.

With quick guards by far the biggest thing is to create space before you start to try to go past a guy, namely using size up moves. If your defender crowds you and gets up in your space before you've used your dribble then you're going to have a really hard time getting past them - which is good and realistic. So my advice is to liberally use size up moves and don't bother trying to cross up a guy when he's crowding you. If you're crowded and don't use a size up move then you either hope for a blow-by animation, call a screen or pass the ball. Personally I have not found much success using jab step yet, even with Melo.

Quick guards and guys with good handles are pretty easy to use but I'm still struggling with power guys like Melo and LeBron. I find myself double-tapping X a lot with Melo for that power spin move but I miss a majority of my shots.

I think Pared use to say this back in the day, and I definitely agree with this sentiment. AA/SS becomes way to unrealistic. I need to have a function between Pro and All-star.

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[jfsolo]

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Now I definitely think that the on the ball D of many poor defenders is too high on default so I lowered the on the ball D of the CPU by 10 and for me it is perfect now. It has eliminated that stonewall bump off balance animation that was totally unrealistic.

Now in the history of this series I gotten assists on about 80% of my made shots, so I'm totally not an iso player, but it does need to be a small part every player's/teams arsenal when the right match up/opportunity presents itself.

With that being said as I've played during the last few days I realize that there are more opportunities to get to the basket than I first thought there was. I was starting to figure it out myself but DC's link to this tutorial by the Da_Czar brought it home. He mainly talks about controlled movement, dribbles and layups(Great Stuff), but near the end(16:30) he talks about getting to the cup. He coins a term for their system he calls it a Lane Driving Lay-Up System, wherein if you can get an angle and get shoulder to shoulder with a defender you can start the layup and then abilities and ratings of both players will determine if you can get by him and finish.

Now that I understand that, it's changed my whole mindset about attacking the rim. This really should be in the in game tutorial. It's that important to the game.

Da_Czar's #NBA2k16 Tutorial Mastering Fundamental Controls -

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[Armor and Sword]

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Now I definitely think that the on the ball D of many poor defenders is too high on default so I lowered the on the ball D of the CPU by 10 and for me it is perfect now. It has eliminated that stonewall bump off balance animation that was totally unrealistic.

Now in the history of this series I gotten assists on about 80% of my made shots, so I'm totally not an iso player, but it does need to be a small part every player's/teams arsenal when the right match up/opportunity presents itself.

With that being said as I've played during the last few days I realize that there are more opportunities to get to the basket than I first thought there was. I was starting to figure it out myself but DC's link to this tutorial by the Da_Czar brought it home. He mainly talks about controlled movement, dribbles and layups(Great Stuff), but near the end(16:30) he talks about getting to the cup. He coins a term for their system he calls it a Lane Driving Lay-Up System, wherein if you can get an angle and get shoulder to shoulder with a defender you can start the layup and then abilities and ratings of both players will determine if you can get by him and finish.

Now that I understand that, it's changed my whole mindset about attacking the rim. This really should be in the in game tutorial. It's that important to the game.

Da_Czar's #NBA2k16 Tutorial Mastering Fundamental Controls -

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Right on man. I love this game. Just love it. But I also needed to tune it to where average to below average defenders are just that. I also have been watching DaCzars videos and they are a huge help. I am running far more freelance/motion than ever before.

[WaddupCouzin]

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Here's an example. I get 3 chances to wiggle the right stick.The first time Lebron, I swing the ball to Love. I try to drive baseline, get cut off. Rather than wiggle the stick, I swing pass to Kyrie. Again, there is an iso opportunity, but I quick pass to the corner open 3.

Watch any game, this is what the best basketball looks like. Not iso drives.

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Hott Kidd:
You have opened my eyes to the lob over the defense pass. I would have tried to regular pass that ball would have been picked off!

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[ehh]

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He coins a term for their system he calls it a Lane Driving Lay-Up System, wherein if you can get an angle and get shoulder to shoulder with a defender you can start the layup and then abilities and ratings of both players will determine if you can get by him and finish.

As far as I know this is been in 2K for ages but to me it's frustrating because it lacks consistency. I still get those awkward in between pull-up J's from 12-15' a little too often when I have an open lane to the hoop. Maybe it's just me letting up on the LS a split second too soon, I don't know.

[jfsolo]

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As far as I know this is been in 2K for ages but to me it's frustrating because it lacks consistency. I still get those awkward in between pull-up J's from 12-15' a little too often when I have an open lane to the hoop. Maybe it's just me letting up on the LS a split second too soon, I don't know.

Yeah, I do too. In that video Czar talked about how that happens to a lot of players because they focus so much on the shot/right stick that they are a little off on the left stick and the jumper triggers.

[Hadlowe]

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Just noticed during my last game.....hitting LT when being crowd by a defender backs them off.....


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Yep, and much safer than a triple-threat step-through as you will not get called for the swinging elbow intentional foul.

[jfsolo]

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Ironically so many of the default plays assigned for the Lakers are Iso plays. That is recipe for disaster for me.

[ForeverVersatile]

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To me it seems like the better the team defense is, the better each player defends. No way Tony Parker and Kyrie should do the things I see the ai do.

[jfsolo]

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To me it seems like the better the team defense is, the better each player defends. No way Tony Parker and Kyrie should do the things I see the ai do.

That's probably true, as it is a way that they fudge a little on representing great team defense a little better than they can with the schemes right now.