3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

[jfsolo]

Re: 3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

Yep, the online sim peeps are doomed.

[Jrocc23]

3pt Shooting has been Tweaked(Feedback Thread)

You have to be kidding me lol. If he said 90-100% they'll vote that. This community is terrible.




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[MrWrestling3]

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I made the mistake of reading the replies on that poll.. Infuriating honestly. And it's infuriating that >80% is winning by a large margin.. If shooting gets even easier than it already is, then I'm done with this game against humans.

Same here, seems like what people on twitter want is for the game to basically play itself for them.

[Caelumfang]

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I've got a very simple solution for 2k18, since it seems this game is pretty much a wrap:

Tune PARK ONLY to those stupid percentages kids and casuals want. Set it to Rookie Casual with 100% on all shooting sliders, unlimited stamina and 0 on all defensive sliders for all I care. HOWEVER, once they cross over into Pro Am, Walk On, and any other game mode, they should be prepared to deal with a much more realistic playstyle.

And just so those brats and casuals don't get confused: Once they pick an online game mode, display a 'warning' which tells them what difficulty the mode is on (Rookie, All-Star, Superstar, HOF), as well as the slider difficulty (Casual, Normal, Sim). That way, they can stay where they have fun, while the more sim-style players can go enjoy the other modes.

Or hell, have a 'Casual' and a 'Sim' selection for each mode. Casual Park/Sim Park, Casual Pro Am/Sim Pro Am, Casual MyTeam/Sim Myteam, etc. That way some of us don't have to deal with them anymore.

BAM, shooting solved.

[ph33]

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^^^^^

Yes. And if that means the community is more divided then I'm fine. It's plenty big and I don't mind waiting a bit longer for better matchmaking.

[rossi45]

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I am shocked by the results, but never expected to see something different.
The one guy hit it on point! If Mike Wang asked if open shots should fall at 90-99%, these guys would have voted on it

If there is no way to make these guys happy besides this, then please, do us all a favor and leave this bull**** in the park!
Give pro am team and walkon realistic sliders. This would be awesome.


But I honestly don't get the point, why its still easy possible to green a corner 3 with 50 3pt rating and people still want more.

[Hustle Westbrook]

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People are saying shooting is too hard? Too hard? Are you kidding me?

[hanzsomehanz]

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My paint protector is more efficient as a shooter than he is as a defender for getting blocks: please fix this.

I can easily make or green an open 3 but it's a struggle to get blocks let alone stops with 90+ ratings on defense and HOF badges - it's time the archetypes simply dominate at what their ratings and badged Strongly dictate. It should carryover in all modes beyond My Players that the characters simply be efficient in their dominant areas and poor in their poorly rated areas.

I don't get why the matter is getting so complicated and why we got to juice the numbers so favorably for everyone for standing dunking in traffic success and for making open 3s.

A grade of a D or F on your 3 should make badges nearly irrelevant. You can't be considered a shooting specialist of any sort with that shooting grade. You don't draft a player like Shaq and utilize him as a Stretch Big.

It's like scouting reports become irrelevant and nullified when everyone can dunk in traffic like Shaq and Kemp and splash open shots like Curry and Klay, or Korver and Ray - just make ratings matter, make the ratings system related to performance and keep it legitimate so we can at least tolerate these outcomes are realistic.

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[ataman5]

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Expecting those results to give any valid feedbacks make me worried about the direction of not solely sim but being true to basketball, staying true to 'balanced' competitive basketball gaming.

[fakeassc]

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Someone tell me. Is this shooting with Real Player FG% or shooting with the Bar?

[Breakstarter]

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Shooting should be easy. You should be able to hit wide open shots. Shooting shouldn't be a skill. DEFENSE SHOULD BE SKILLED BASED! You guys have got it all wrong. Pressing the shoot button doesnt take rocket science, or years if playing the game. Anyone should be able to pick up the sticks and feel like they can be fairly good at the simplest part of basketball. For all of you who claim to be sim, we all know that defense wins championships in every aspect of sports. The same should be true in Video games. I'm not saying every user should be able to shoot 100% from wide open shots, but if a user works hard to get open and he knows his shot, there shouldnt be some scale dictating whether or not his shot should fall in or not. If we were talking in terms of FPS, if a player has you dead to rights on a headshot(which in most FPS is an instant kill, if not 2 headshots.) and you arent hiding behind cover than the average player should get kill, regardless if the person getting shot is skilled or not. Now more advanced players will always have a strategy how to get a headshot on a more consistent basis whether its using a specific weapon for it(archetypes), Or learning where people appear on the map the most(hotspots)

To me it just doesnt make sense that if any of you who have been complaining about shooting call yourself a 2k fan. All good users who play online understand how badges and hotspots work.

example...ive been reading threads...this is the biggest complaint

"Oh...i just played this glass cleaner and he went 6/6 from three...i just can't believe it this game is broken. How does a 58 3 point overall hit that many 3's?"
Now all of you pay Close attention to what im gonna say...



ok shooting from anywhere outside of corner 3's would be a brick for any non-sharpshooting/playmaker/point forward build.
Now for you to hit those 3's with consistency one would need to acquire limitless range
deep range dead eye
and also Work on your hotspots around the wings and top of the key

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so now any archetype outside of SS/SB/PM/PF with these badges now are a threat from three because shooting from your hotspots increases your three point shot.

If you grind and difficult shots, that also increases the % of shots from three if you are on the move.

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Any shooter knows that in order for you to have the best chance at knocking down your shot, you need to have a good jumpshot, and great timing. If you see a user knocking down consistent shots, best believe he/she knows their shot, has all the badges necessary to make those shots and also is shooting from their hotspots and also has great timing on their release.

We shouldnt be focused on shooting. We should be focused on better ways to play defense and lateral movement top match the offense to discourage and close out on shooter so this game moving forward is more about stategy/skill-based than a whine fest about unnecessary complaints.

[DakkoN]

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Shooting should be easy. You should be able to hit wide open shots. Shooting shouldn't be a skill. DEFENSE SHOULD BE SKILLED BASED! You guys have got it all wrong. Pressing the shoot button doesnt take rocket science, or years if playing the game. Anyone should be able to pick up the sticks and feel like they can be fairly good at the simplest part of basketball. For all of you who claim to be sim, we all know that defense wins championships in every aspect of sports. The same should be true in Video games. I'm not saying every user should be able to shoot 100% from wide open shots, but if a user works hard to get open and he knows his shot, there shouldnt be some scale dictating whether or not his shot should fall in or not. If we were talking in terms of FPS, if a player has you dead to rights on a headshot(which in most FPS is an instant kill, if not 2 headshots.) and you arent hiding behind cover than the average player should get kill, regardless if the person getting shot is skilled or not. Now more advanced players will always have a strategy how to get a headshot on a more consistent basis whether its using a specific weapon for it(archetypes), Or learning where people appear on the map the most(hotspots)

To me it just doesnt make sense that if any of you who have been complaining about shooting call yourself a 2k fan. All good users who play online understand how badges and hotspots work.

example...ive been reading threads...this is the biggest complaint

"Oh...i just played this glass cleaner and he went 6/6 from three...i just can't believe it this game is broken. How does a 58 3 point overall hit that many 3's?"
Now all of you pay Close attention to what im gonna say...



ok shooting from anywhere outside of corner 3's would be a brick for any non-sharpshooting/playmaker/point forward build.
Now for you to hit those 3's with consistency one would need to acquire limitless range
deep range dead eye
and also Work on your hotspots around the wings and top of the key

">

so now any archetype outside of SS/SB/PM/PF with these badges now are a threat from three because shooting from your hotspots increases your three point shot.

If you grind and difficult shots, that also increases the % of shots from three if you are on the move.

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Any shooter knows that in order for you to have the best chance at knocking down your shot, you need to have a good jumpshot, and great timing. If you see a user knocking down consistent shots, best believe he/she knows their shot, has all the badges necessary to make those shots and also is shooting from their hotspots and also has great timing on their release.

We shouldnt be focused on shooting. We should be focused on better ways to play defense and lateral movement top match the offense to discourage and close out on shooter so this game moving forward is more about stategy/skill-based than a whine fest about unnecessary complaints.

Stop it man. Just stop it. You're defending dudes shooting 75% with a 55 3pt rating. I don't care how many badges they have, that shouldn't be possible.

jyoung posted this in the poll thread..


There doesn't even need to be anymore said.. Steph Curry, the greatest shooter in the history of the NBA isn't even in the top 10.. You telling me Steph Curry doesn't know his own release? This game is supposed to be a simulation of actual NBA basketball, meaning the percentages should at least somewhat line up with the real life percentages.. Plus or minus 5-7%, NOT plus 25-30%...

[ILLSmak]

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I have an LDD with 60 3pt shooting and can hit a 3 pretty well if left open.

But if you guard him properly at the 3 he will miss by a mile. He can't hit contested 3s at all and even a little bit of defense could probably bother the shot enough to get a miss.

The point is, why tweak the game because an 8yr old kid doesn't know how to play defense?

If I'm hitting every shot its because the defender sucks not because I'm OP at hitting 3s.

It should be a risk to take a 3 as a non shooter. Even wide open. It's also volume, that you can just float out there and keep pulling it. You know you are gonna eventually start hitting them, in most cases, you know it's a good shot. It's not a good shot. Sometimes it can be a shot you'd take because of the defense, or if you were that wide open, but it shouldn't be money. If it's money, what's the point? Same idea with mids.

So it's basically not 'how well you can shoot' but 'how much you have to be defended' that shooting ability measures in this?

-Smak

[DakkoN]

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I have an LDD with 60 3pt shooting and can hit a 3 pretty well if left open.

But if you guard him properly at the 3 he will miss by a mile. He can't hit contested 3s at all and even a little bit of defense could probably bother the shot enough to get a miss.

The point is, why tweak the game because an 8yr old kid doesn't know how to play defense?

If I'm hitting every shot its because the defender sucks not because I'm OP at hitting 3s.

The graphic is literally a graphic of ONLY wide open 3 percentages. If a 55 3 point rating shooter is shooting better at wide open shots than the best shooters in the NBA right now, there's obviously a problem. A badge problem, a ratings problem, a game problem.. How ya'll can keep finding ways to try to defend this nonsense is beyond me. Well actually it's not, because it's pretty simple. It's people that don't want their precious godlike shooting percentages to suffer for the sake of any semblance of realism.

[JohnTaylor]

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The graphic is literally a graphic of ONLY wide open 3 percentages. If a 55 3 point rating shooter is shooting better at wide open shots than the best shooters in the NBA right now, there's obviously a problem. A badge problem, a ratings problem, a game problem.. How ya'll can keep finding ways to try to defend this nonsense is beyond me. Well actually it's not, because it's pretty simple. It's people that don't want their precious godlike shooting percentages to suffer for the sake of any semblance of realism.

Game mechanic issue but you have to blame the community for it though.

Pre-2k14 people complained about missing wide-open 3s with great shooters even though it happens in real life. They don't like RNG.