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  • hanzsomehanz
    MVP
    • Oct 2009
    • 3275

    #166
    Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

    Originally posted by MoodMuzik
    The thing is, it doesn't take that long to get a competent competitive player that you can win with, and you don't have to play against 86's+ if you don't want to.

    Everyone acts like you're stuck with 4 archetypes you have to get to 99.

    It literally takes a week to get into the 70's from a 55.

    It shows you the level of those on the court and off the court around you. If you don't want to play a 86 or a 93 you don't have to. You can walk off the court anytime you want and you can choose which court you want to walk on.

    There are new people starting new archetypes every day, which spreads out the level of competition.
    Are you not frustrating yourself by continually stating the obvious?

    It's as if you are annoyed being the parent or guidance councillor in here but ironically you continue to contribute in this matter of a fact manner and play up the role with max fervor.

    It'd be more pleasant on your part to acknowledge that everyone in here does know their rights: we don't need a petty officer in here. We all also know our options: we don't need a guidance concillor.

    If all we have for a response is to wax the obvious: why even continue to bemoan the #facts? There is not even much or any tact being used. At some point you need to follow your own advice and perhaps stop stoking the flames that you don't want to continue to see burning or just leave the scene.

    I look forward to the discussions in here but it is a greivance to continually be met with someone who is not even aware of how obnoxious they are behaving with their dialogue.

    Bump that..

    There is so much to someone's character on here that goes into each of their decisions in life and in a video game that it's not as easy as yes or no or do or don't. You can't begin to believe you know where everyone in here stands with their morals and beliefs and code of ethics and values - who is anyone in here to be so pretentious?

    Your people skills prove to be ineffective when you simply brush people off as petty complainers who don't know their options. When you see someone make a remark about 1,000VC for a haircut: there is so much more going into that complaint than simply the surface value. This person is speaking from their core and expressing their beliefs and values to the board. They are making themselves vulnerable to rebuke and belittling on the "petty subject"

    We have enough life experience to know that prices go up and things that were once free now come with a price. Can we not speak to each other on this accepted level of understanding? Once we can get beyond this surface of facts: we can then begin to appreciate the deeper discussion at hand here.

    The judgment on appearances here is full with assumptions and we know assumptions can often make an *** out of the one assuming things. Don't think because you drive a more expensive vehicle than someone else that you actually have a higher income than the next guy: look at Khawi. So same with the topics we discuss: small topics do not equal to small minds in the discussion.

    There is a good intellectual conversation that can be had here but it requires intellect with tact and respect. The subject may seem petty but the people should not be deemed petty for speaking on what is fundamentally business standards and business practices at the most basic but critical level.

    The next time you insist on responding with direct obviousness: please try to show some restraint and try to remember you are not speaking to a class of 4 year olds who don't understand the world. [emoji30]

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    • MrWrestling3
      MVP
      • May 2015
      • 1146

      #167
      Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

      Originally posted by ph33
      So stuff like this is why we ask what's going on, and try to get them to meet us in the middle, or at least stop it from getting worse. And it keeps getting worse, what's to stop them from inflating it even more next year?
      I think this is the crux of it.

      As much as people argue, at the end of the day I don't think anyone really wants to eliminate VC and leave folks who don't have alot of time to invest or who want to be competitive out in the cold, as it were.

      Nor do I think anyone really wants people to be forced to play through hours and hours of game modes they do not enjoy if they do not wish to purchase VC.

      People have their opinions and it tends to get to a point where instead of exchanging ideas, people just want to "win the argument".

      If anything, it shows that when it comes to 2K you have alot of different people with different expectations; perhaps the fault is in trying too hard to be "all things to all people" as it were, seems like it just ends up leaving most people frustrated.

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      • fysens
        Rookie
        • Sep 2015
        • 32

        #168
        Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

        Originally posted by MrWrestling3
        I think this is the crux of it.

        As much as people argue, at the end of the day I don't think anyone really wants to eliminate VC and leave folks who don't have alot of time to invest or who want to be competitive out in the cold, as it were.

        Nor do I think anyone really wants people to be forced to play through hours and hours of game modes they do not enjoy if they do not wish to purchase VC.

        People have their opinions and it tends to get to a point where instead of exchanging ideas, people just want to "win the argument".

        If anything, it shows that when it comes to 2K you have alot of different people with different expectations; perhaps the fault is in trying too hard to be "all things to all people" as it were, seems like it just ends up leaving most people frustrated.
        Imagine that 2k gave you the option of starting as either a 55 ovr or an 85 ovr at the beginning of your career (for the people that don't have the time to grind). What would be the downside for the players?

        At the end of the day 2k doesn't want to get rid of VC, that is obvious, but there are much better alternatives from a user perspective.

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        • MrWrestling3
          MVP
          • May 2015
          • 1146

          #169
          Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

          Originally posted by fysens
          Imagine that 2k gave you the option of starting as either a 55 ovr or an 85 ovr at the beginning of your career (for the people that don't have the time to grind). What would be the downside for the players?

          At the end of the day 2k doesn't want to get rid of VC, that is obvious, but there are much better alternatives from a user perspective.
          To me, that would be a worthwhile incentive to get people to upgrade to the Legend edition of the game; I would imagine people who do not have much free time or wish to focus on the competitive aspect of the game would not mind spending the extra money to eliminate the grind to where you could at least have a chance against most players.

          Multiple players could be an issue from a business standpoint, best compromise I can think of would be to make additional players start at 55, with the option to spend some VC at creation to allow them to automatically start at 85.

          You might also let them "convert" their player to a different build every so often (twice a day or something along those lines), at the cost of VC; using this method may also help address the "Oh no, we have 5 guards and no bigs" problem people run into when playing with friends.

          At least that way 2K would still make out, you'd just be moving some of that VC money to the front end with still an opportunity to make more on the back end as VC.

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          • 2k10Fonzarelli
            Pro
            • Sep 2009
            • 621

            #170
            Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

            Originally posted by ph33
            You're right about that. It's why I'm not buying the game digitally or new, though I've been a day 1 guy since 2k7. I'm hoping other people can do the same, but I'm not going to judge them if they don't.

            Awareness is important.
            Faithful Ubisoft, Warner Bros and M$ boycotter here. Wanna get a game of 2k17 on the 15th
            Ignorance of evidence is evidence of ignorance...

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            • MoodMuzik
              Rookie
              • Jul 2013
              • 496

              #171
              Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

              Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
              Are you not frustrating yourself by continually stating the obvious?

              It's as if you are annoyed being the parent or guidance councillor in here but ironically you continue to contribute in this matter of a fact manner and play up the role with max fervor.

              It'd be more pleasant on your part to acknowledge that everyone in here does know their rights: we don't need a petty officer in here. We all also know our options: we don't need a guidance concillor.

              If all we have for a response is to wax the obvious: why even continue to bemoan the #facts? There is not even much or any tact being used. At some point you need to follow your own advice and perhaps stop stoking the flames that you don't want to continue to see burning or just leave the scene.

              I look forward to the discussions in here but it is a greivance to continually be met with someone who is not even aware of how obnoxious they are behaving with their dialogue.

              Bump that..

              There is so much to someone's character on here that goes into each of their decisions in life and in a video game that it's not as easy as yes or no or do or don't. You can't begin to believe you know where everyone in here stands with their morals and beliefs and code of ethics and values - who is anyone in here to be so pretentious?

              Your people skills prove to be ineffective when you simply brush people off as petty complainers who don't know their options. When you see someone make a remark about 1,000VC for a haircut: there is so much more going into that complaint than simply the surface value. This person is speaking from their core and expressing their beliefs and values to the board. They are making themselves vulnerable to rebuke and belittling on the "petty subject"

              We have enough life experience to know that prices go up and things that were once free now come with a price. Can we not speak to each other on this accepted level of understanding? Once we can get beyond this surface of facts: we can then begin to appreciate the deeper discussion at hand here.

              The judgment on appearances here is full with assumptions and we know assumptions can often make an *** out of the one assuming things. Don't think because you drive a more expensive vehicle than someone else that you actually have a higher income than the next guy: look at Khawi. So same with the topics we discuss: small topics do not equal to small minds in the discussion.

              There is a good intellectual conversation that can be had here but it requires intellect with tact and respect. The subject may seem petty but the people should not be deemed petty for speaking on what is fundamentally business standards and business practices at the most basic but critical level.

              The next time you insist on responding with direct obviousness: please try to show some restraint and try to remember you are not speaking to a class of 4 year olds who don't understand the world. [emoji30]

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              Is everyone pro-VC not frustrated by continually stating the obvious?

              Players know their options? Seems extremely lost on many.

              Don't need a petty officer or guidance counselor? Beg to disagree, as we are in the 3rd 20+ page VC thread in 3 weeks and yet... we are no further ahead in the discussion than when we started.

              Know their rights? Of course they do, I'm sorry to say I'm not stating that they know their rights or telling them what their rights are..., as much as I am acknowledging those that literally state "I guess it's VC or don't play, those are our only options to everyone else on here" that that's not the case as this is a stage for their voices to be heard. I'm not so big of myself that I'm making a giant blog about someone I don't know insinuating they feel big enough to make their subjects 4 year olds.

              "There is so much to someone's character on here that goes into each of their decisions in life and in a video game that it's not as easy as yes or no or do or don't. You can't begin to believe you know where everyone in here stands with their morals and beliefs and code of ethics and values - who is anyone in here to be so pretentious?

              Your people skills prove to be ineffective when you simply brush people off as petty complainers who don't know their options. When you see someone make a remark about 1,000VC for a haircut: there is so much more going into that complaint than simply the surface value. This person is speaking from their core and expressing their beliefs and values to the board. They are making themselves vulnerable to rebuke and belittling on the "petty subject"


              ^^^Excellent, excellent post. Maybe those of us that aren't "anti" could be shown the same courtesy? You insinuate those not anti-VC are not intelligent with core values that their responses don't resonate deep within their emotions/personal code of ethics, and intellect with their attachment to the game?

              It seems these kind of threads are meant for yes-men, and not discussion of alternative ideas other than "2k is greedy, they force VC on you, it only gets worse/never better at all ever", yet when met with honest inquires like "you said 'VC can stay in MUT and MyTeam where it belongs' how is that not hypocritical?" crickets. Or you said "I don't have time for the grind as I have this and this and this obligation and yet I later say I actually have hundreds of thousands of VC but that's not the point"... how is that not hypocritcal... yet... crickets. "You can't compete with a 55 bumbling bafoon of an overall player" - yet when you state "my SG is as fast as Dion Waiters and can out-rebound Haslem, he seems super athletic/responsive this year" - crickets.

              2k18 is not out yet. But the grind/unplayability for 2k18 is already in full effect, is that not premature? But it's apparently completely warranted to say "it's getting worse" when the game isn't out yet right?

              Seems as if... if you're not anti-VC... you should not provide any opinion/suggestion whatsoever or you'll be met with hostility. Because if you continually post your displeasure with VC... you're fine. But if you are in the same thread, and post LESS times than those anti-VC, you're a "2k apologizer".

              Funny how that works.

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              • Vni
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2011
                • 14833

                #172
                Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                Thats where I am...i'll put the controller down for good when I'm not.
                Easy for you to say, you can still come here and enjoy yourself banning innocent people. But for us normal human beings we're left with what ? Our naked girl friend and a salmon avocado sandwich ? It's tough man.

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                • RogerDodger
                  MVP
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 1082

                  #173
                  Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                  I don't mind VC if it means 2K keep developing the game modes I care about the most - My League and My GM - when other developers aren't. I don't pay for it so it's not costing me a dime.

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                  • NDAlum
                    ND
                    • Jun 2010
                    • 11453

                    #174
                    Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                    I understand people are getting ticked about the time/money investment needed to get their character competitive but you guys are in a tough place because I see no incentive for 2K to stop moving the direction it's heading.

                    It looks like an incremental increase to see where they can get before it starts to impact user satisfaction. Clearly the vc grind last year wasn't enough to stop people from buying the game or vc so why not increase some this year to see what happens. Then if you see a reduction in micro transactions you pull back some with the increases and find the true market for your product.

                    It's a business decision. I would do the exact same. They have one goal: make money. They aren't a 501(c)(3)...

                    With that said I do hear the frustrations though. Nobody wants to start out with a bum.
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                    • Breakstarter
                      Rookie
                      • Jan 2016
                      • 419

                      #175
                      Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                      the problem is there isnt a way for players who don't play MyGm, MyLeague, or Myteam to generate enough VC. The Online user who strictly plays park/Pro AM
                      or Walk On Pro AM don't get enough VC per Match. There needs to be an increase in rewards(VC) so as to not make it so that the user NEEDS to purchase VC with REAL MONEY. Besides the initial money put down for your
                      85 overall, on top of the $65 you pay for the game, I don't see why the customer needs to invest more money into a game with a Virtual money system involved. If the Mobile App, the In Game EVENTS, MyPark/Pro AM games dont reward you, i feel the users are getting ripped off and being forced to eventually pay up if they want to remain competitive online. I understand you offline users won't get it, but as the guy above me said, no one wants to be a bum online.

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                      • Bernte
                        Rookie
                        • Oct 2015
                        • 182

                        #176
                        Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                        and most importantly no one wants to pay 1k vc for a bloody hairdo after so many years of being able to freely choose from all available hairdos (and beards)!

                        i remember last year, when they hid all dribble moves etc. behind the pay wall. now it's hairdos and facial hair. what's next? pay 5000 vc to enable the shot button? 500 vc to start a game? 1000 vc for an additional save file? i shouldn't speak my mind too loud, it might be that someone from 2k is reading this...

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                        • MrWrestling3
                          MVP
                          • May 2015
                          • 1146

                          #177
                          Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                          Originally posted by Bernte
                          and most importantly no one wants to pay 1k vc for a bloody hairdo after so many years of being able to freely choose from all available hairdos (and beards)!
                          And this is where I have an issue..I can understand having a few special or unique items as unlockables purchased with VC (i.e. 1970's Dr.J or Jimmy Butler hairstyle, James Harden's beard shape,etc.).

                          I can understand having an option to pay some VC to change your hair/beard style within My Career itself...maybe you got tired of your look or want to do something special for the playoffs...cool.

                          However, when you apparently hide a large amount of basic Create A Player content which traditionally has been free behind a paywall right from the get go, that is not cool at all.It comes off as greedy and they deserve to be called out on it.
                          Last edited by MrWrestling3; 09-12-2017, 10:22 AM.

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                          • HowDareI
                            MVP
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 1900

                            #178
                            Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                            Here's where I see it getting greedy...charge us 1000, pft idc even 5000 VC to change something like our hair COLOR but to charge to change a hair STYLE? Nah.

                            Unless my hair's actually progressing along with me as I grind for VC and suddenly I got a nappy fro I need trimmed then I don't understand why id have to pay for virtual haircuts but what do I know?

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                            • BluFu
                              MVP
                              • May 2012
                              • 3596

                              #179
                              Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                              Originally posted by HowDareI

                              Unless my hair's actually progressing along with me as I grind for VC and suddenly I got a nappy fro I need trimmed then I don't understand why id have to pay for virtual haircuts but what do I know?

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                              Don't be giving 2K any more ideas man.

                              In 2K19, after 5 games your lineup becomes unrecognizable and your facial hair disappears. You go back to the barbershop to get it done for you until another 5 games pass by and you need go back to get it done all over again. 1000 for hair, 500 for beard, then a 250 tip.

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                              • Yesh2kdone
                                Banned
                                • Feb 2015
                                • 1412

                                #180
                                Re: NBA 2k18 - Another VC grind fest?

                                House purchases will be next and almost guaranteed within the next year or two. It's the natural progression from the neighbourhood. Give us a basic 14/15 apartment room to begin, and then it's up to the user to buy a house with a gym, then a house with a court and a gym, then a court, gym, and a garage as cars arrive in the game.

                                I actually don't have a problem with that if you are giving the user something cosmetic and new in the game, but haircuts and beards is just poor form all round.

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