NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

[Da_Czar]

NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

Appreciate your constant communiciation with the SIM community here Czar! Hopefully the twitter kids don't influence you guys to make the game more arcady for their Mypark purposes.

Quick question, will all CPU PGs or ball handler walk up the ball after you score on their team? Or just teams who play with slow tempo? Thanks!

Mostly just the slower teams. This is another one of those it's a game not real life scenarios. To get the higher scoring teams to score above 120 we couldn't allow them to walk it up because on average they would walk it up too many possessions. I don't have that type of granular control yet to allow them or limit them to x amount.

The only way I could get their AI vs AI scores up with to allow them to run it up.

So on the top scoring teams you will barely see them walking and the slowest teams will walk alot if the opposition is scoring, on misses, everyone runs.


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[Da_Czar]

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Da_Czar, I know you don't handle menus, but will there ever come a time when we can customize our Priority 1 or Page 1 where we can plug in plays without them being Action oriented? What I mean is I would love to have P1 have my favorite floppy play, horn play and on down the line. Instead of cycling over from page 1 to page 4 to get to some frequently used plays.

What I do with plays and freelances has a really low usage rate as far as our total customer base so it is harder to give priority to things like this, that would definitely be cool but almost no one would use it in terms of our total install base.

So considering that I would say this is not very likely but it could happen. I get the need i just have to do a lot of coordinating with other areas and they are usually swamped and it comes down to how many people will this affect and ...

I get clowned all the time internally because some of the stuff I want takes a lot of time and they like man less than 0.1 percent of our users even use that LOL!

I totally understand the want though and I will keep fighting the good fight.


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[Da_Czar]

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Hi Czar,
Quite the write up (Expected no less from you)!
Even more appreciated os the amount of information and candidness (is that even a word? LOL) of your answers here.

I wanted to ask if there is an individual "walk the ball" tendency beyond team pace. I would ideally expect, for example, williams to bring the ball up slower than rose (not the best example but got a brain freeze) . also if it is tied to fatigue or to the score (e.g. protecting a lead vs. Trying to catch up).
Thanks

I like how you are thinking, at this point no we do not have that but I added your suggestion as something to think about.

What type of variance would you expect if Deron was on an uptempo team ? Is the coach more important than an individual players tendencies in regards to pace ?

Is there a big enough difference between a low walk up tendency player on a fast team and a fast walk up tendency player on a fast team to justify the work of putting that in ?


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[Da_Czar]

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Just a question regarding the demo/prelude. You said it's not the final build right? The most complete up to date game we will get to play will be the day one patch on 19th, i think someone said it, could be you. Will all these changes, upgrades from your and OG's blog be included in the demo or we can expect full effect after the day one patch? Thanks in advance

It depends on what you notice when you play. If you like the demo the day 1 patch is more of what you saw there. It is really hard to quantify.




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[LorenzoDC]

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What I do with plays and freelances has a really low usage rate as far as our total customer base so it is harder to give priority to things like this, that would definitely be cool but almost no one would use it in terms of our total install base.

So considering that I would say this is not very likely but it could happen. I get the need i just have to do a lot of coordinating with other areas and they are usually swamped and it comes down to how many people will this affect and ...

I get clowned all the time internally because some of the stuff I want takes a lot of time and they like man less than 0.1 percent of our users even use that LOL!

I totally understand the want though and I will keep fighting the good fight.


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Yeah, that's an issue and I get it. For some of the stuff you are building, though, there might be a case to make that utilization would increase if user ease of access to functions were optimized.

0.1% is too heavy a lift to persuade, but if maybe the e-sports hot shots got behind some of these things and found competitive advantage in better UI like this, then maybe there's more of a business case to make.

If 3% of users become interested, but those 3% include high profile competitive gamers who in turn set an online trend, then maybe there's a way to build out more of the cool stuff you're doing.

Just thinking out loud. Got my work head on right now so this is the kind of stuff I live with daily.

[Da_Czar]

Re: NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

All of this is great stuff Czar.
One thing I'm really wanting to know on the offensive side is Layups with contact.

2k has been notorious for letting a player like 5'7 Isiah T effect a player like LeBron 's shot and body him.

Will height and weight finally play a factor this year?

This will create another chest match with the awesome system you all created, Having to switch say IT on the pick n roll from Curry to Durant would force the D to change their gameplan.

This is not my area, but I do believe they tried to address this. Mike would be the best person to ask about shots, layups and contests,

Again I can't say for certain this is resolved or improved but I think i recall something.


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[trekfan]

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I like how you are thinking, at this point no we do not have that but I added your suggestion as something to think about.

What type of variance would you expect if Deron was on an uptempo team ? Is the coach more important than an individual players tendencies in regards to pace ?

Is there a big enough difference between a low walk up tendency player on a fast team and a fast walk up tendency player on a fast team to justify the work of putting that in ?


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I would say that the individual players tendency would take precedence -- players play, coaches coach, and players got to buy in.

On the second question, ideally, a slower player like Deron Williams wouldn't be playing in a fast paced system that required him to bring the ball up -- Williams' system proficiency in such a scheme would be low, so the coach would deploy him differently/vary the system if he were playing.

I don't think the system proficiency feature is even close to grasping that kind of detail yet, but in the future you wouldn't see someone like Williams running a run and gun system as a first option -- the coach wouldn't start him in that and the AI GM wouldn't sign Williams for that.

[Rockie_Fresh88]

Re: NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

I say this every year but man I gotta start playing against the A.I more. Feels like as a pro am player I miss out on the best aspects of the game. Mycareer just doesn't cut it either

[GloGangJay]

Re: NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

I say this every year but man I gotta start playing against the A.I more. Feels like as a pro am player I miss out on the best aspects of the game. Mycareer just doesn't cut it either

The best experience is the offline experience IMO

[tcnumba10]

Re: NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

Mostly just the slower teams. This is another one of those it's a game not real life scenarios. To get the higher scoring teams to score above 120 we couldn't allow them to walk it up becuase on average they would walk it up too many possessions. I don't have that type of granular control yet to allow them or limit them to x amount.

The only way I could get their AI vs AI scores up with to allow them to run it up.

So on the top scoring teams you will barely see them walking and the slowest teams will walk alot if the opposition is scoring on misses everyone runs.


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Thanks for answering Da_Czar! Perhaps in the future, the CPU can be programmed to walk the ball up only if they are scored on with 8 seconds or less left on the shot clock since that would signify a grueling defensive effort?

[Da_Czar]

NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

Wow, the info and analytic precision here is staggering, amazing work Czar.* I have one question....are the 1v1 interactions improved to the point where the isolation drive tendencies can be utilized realistically?* It's really been my biggest gripe with the game the past few years, just not feeling like I could really go at mismatched (or just inferior) defenders because they were able to bump me back so easily just by making a little contact.* The same for defending, I've just never found the elite rim drivers in the game to feel as threatening as they should when I'm playing on-ball defense.* Sounds from everything I've heard and read like the "mouse in the house" is a very real thing this year, but I'm hoping that the bigs can be equally punished by trying to guard smaller players on the perimeter.

Thanks again, you guys have all but talked me into a purchase the past 2 days.* Spectacular presentation.

Thank you! I can't speak for user vs user but this is a much improved area of our game this year. I tried to show you in the video's that the AI has no issue getting past itself ( AI vs AI) as I know this is a big question because of how frustrating our game was in this area last year.

They key this year is taking advantage of the mismatch before OG's defense switches back.

In fact, (again we add so much it can never all be covered in a blog), another thing we added this year was adjusting our bodyup system in transition to account for speed and direction of both defender and the offensive player.

This helps to simulate getting downhill on a defender.

So if you are coming down in transition and the defender is standing still or moving forward the system accounts for this differently than if you both were standing still.




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[Junior Moe]

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I don't know how to quote from another thread, but this quote from Davez in the MyLeague thread has me even more excited:

"Quick update, then I'll really disappear for a while...

The bearded wonder, aka Leftos, just added the system proficiency stuff to Edit Staff, so you'll be able to change the coach's preferred system, active system, and proficiency rating for each of the available systems. He also added the max attributes for each of the coach attribute ratings (this is the highest they can progress to), and years left on contract (can't add the contract value for a plethora of reasons, though). So, he came to the rescue for that stuff that I had previously said weren't being done this year (and Yu Gu - aka Lord YGu in the in-game social feed - was the rockstar that got the edit name in last second)."

So we can edit this stuff in ML so after a few years we could really change the teams and league up and have that reflected in their playstyle.

[Da_Czar]

NBA 2K18 Offensive Tendencies, AI Execution & Motion Blog From Da_Czar

Man I think this was one more slept on aspects of what Czar and Co. have been building....

as far as one on one...the A.I has been getting better and better at cooking like a human since 2K16...

This was a thread I made last year...


http://forums.operationsports.com/fo...e-i-moves.html

expecting it to be even better in 2k18

24 I was honestly disappointed that more people have not noticed that. very proud of that work and as I told you the better the rest of the game gets the more that is going to shine through.

We built that just like I would teach someone in my gym it gets more refined each year.


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[Da_Czar]

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so in modes like MYGM or my League , how does this work over the years as teams change players and coaches

It doesn't change.


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[Themayorofawsometown]

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The only thing that bothers me in this whole blog is that it looks like they didn't update the Johnsons or Dion but hopefully this was just a old build or something

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