200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

[AshamanCarnage]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

These casuals are interested in competitive 5 on 5 Pro-AM, which is basketball, and the most popular mode in the game, and the one they have a $250,000 tournament for. Many of these casuals just aren't interested in playing the CPU, PNO, or some other offline mode.

I've been asking for anybody to list any other game where there's some kind of entrance requirement of a lot of hours or a lot of money spent, just to be able to be functional in their most popular mode.

And if the reply is "Just play with a 55" then people just aren't getting it.

I've also got hundreds of thousands of VC, but that was after I grinded quite a few players out, but that was well later in the year when I wasn't spending it on new players anymore.

Pro-am is part of MyCareer which means that MyCareer is the most popular mode which means that people seem to be enjoying what 2K is doing. A game where you start terrible and playing the game gets you better? You really need someone to name one for you, cause they are quite plentiful.

I think it is abundantly clear who "isn't getting it" so I'll just show myself out.

[ph33]

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Pro-am is part of MyCareer which means that MyCareer is the most popular mode which means that people seem to be enjoying what 2K is doing. A game where you start terrible and playing the game gets you better? You really need someone to name one for you, cause they are quite plentiful.

I think it is abundantly clear who "isn't getting it" so I'll just show myself out.

Yes. Please name games that are similar to what I said.

Do you start off with just a hunting knife in COD?
Do you have a player who has the athleticism of a 13 year old in FIFA?

I am talking specifically about any kind of multiplayer arena game. So ultimate team doesn't count.

And yes a lot of people like it. There's also a lot of people who don't like it. Yet, people fine with the way things are, raid these threads like the rest of us are screwing with your experience.

[triplechin]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Pro-am is part of MyCareer which means that MyCareer is the most popular mode which means that people seem to be enjoying what 2K is doing. A game where you start terrible and playing the game gets you better? You really need someone to name one for you, cause they are quite plentiful.

I think it is abundantly clear who "isn't getting it" so I'll just show myself out.

I don't know if Pro Am actually is the most popular (thought it was Park) but it is a huuuge stretch to say that since it is connected to MyCareer that means MyCareer is the most popular lol. Plenty of people were forced to play MyCareer when they didn't want to which is why there is more negativity than need be. It doesn't make sense for the game modes to be connected. People should play the game mode they want to play. At least they fixed that issue, but it is still not a great system. If we didn't have to set in stone a position/height/archetype and could switch it when we wanted, no one would complain about the grind. But having to do it for each character you make is too much.

[ph33]

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I'm lost where this discussion is going. So what's the verdict? What's the action plan?

For if these talks are going nowhere the best both sides can do is respect each other's opinion.

I wish we could have a verdict or action. It's up to 2k. So our only option is to voice our displeasure.

Agree with the second paragraph. You're either firmly fine with or you're not. Just don't agree with people who insist our viewpoint shouldn't exist.

[infam0us]

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If we didn't have to set in stone a position/height/archetype and could switch it when we wanted, no one would complain about the grind. But having to do it for each character you make is too much.

This so much, the grind for 1 character is fine. But there's 189 builds in this game and most will play as like 2 of them tops because of the grind. I could see why with MyCareer why switching from a 6'1 PG to 6'11 C might cause issues but at least let us change play styles within the position.

[triplechin]

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This so much, the grind for 1 character is fine. But there's 189 builds in this game and most will play as like 2 of them tops because of the grind. I could see why with MyCareer why switching from a 6'1 PG to 6'11 C might cause issues but at least let us change play styles within the position.

Right it stinks to pick a player and then maybe I will build up one other player... I want to try all positions and play styles but I can't. FIFA has this nailed, I can try any position I want and keep my progress

[El_Poopador]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Remember how many people have been toted as the next big thing? How'd that turn out for them? Lol.



You do have athletic ability and the tools to make, you said it yourself you're dropping 15 a game. Pick your spots and execute. I personally like having to rely on my teammates because I'm not NBA ready, rather that then having to drop 50 points a game to win.

I don't think you're understanding my point. Yes, it is very possible to score 15ppg or put up 10 assists as a 55 or whatever we start as, but not if you play realistically, and it's not fun to have to exploit the game to do so. Because in the real NBA, rookies coming off the bench for 5 minutes per game aren't taking that many shots or having plays drawn up for them.

What they are doing, though, is keeping up with their man when they run down the court, and running for more than 8 seconds without being drained. And if they do get an open shot, they can generally knock it down at a halfway decent rate.

Compare that to your starting player in My Career. You are slower than every other player at your position by a large margin, and have less skill in the areas you need to succeed at that position.

Not to mention you don't earn a good amount of VC unless you have a good teammate grade, and your teammate grade doesn't go up for playing real basketball. Plus it's next to impossible to even get a good grade when you only play five minutes per game. So you're more than halfway through the season by the time you are have even half the skills or athleticism as the other rookies in the game.

I don't want to drop 50 points per game, or average a 30-20-10 triple double. What I do want is to have an NBA-caliber player if I'm going to play on an NBA team.


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[illwill10]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

I'm not concerned about it. I don't plan on buying until until at least the NBA season starts and as late as Black Friday. So by using MyNBA2k app daily, i will be able to save up VC. So by time I get game, i will have a lot saved up

[MoodMuzik]

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Right it stinks to pick a player and then maybe I will build up one other player... I want to try all positions and play styles but I can't. FIFA has this nailed, I can try any position I want and keep my progress

To play devil's advocate, you can try any position/play style you want in Create-A-Player so you can at the very least get a really good feel for that type of player.

Just to save you loads of time.

It would be great if they could transition you through a multitude of players... but then those who do purchase loads of VC will have a whole roster of tremendously high players at all positions they want as well.

[triplechin]

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To play devil's advocate, you can try any position/play style you want in Create-A-Player so you can at the very least get a really good feel for that type of player.

Just to save you loads of time.

It would be great if they could transition you through a multitude of players... but then those who do purchase loads of VC will have a whole roster of tremendously high players at all positions they want as well.

I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your last point but people who buy tons of VC will have a bunch of good players either way.

And yes, creating the players gives you a decent idea of how they will play out but it doesn't replicate the competition youre going against. I would love a better version of FIFA's Pro Clubs system in 2K

[MoodMuzik]

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I don't know if I'm misunderstanding your last point but people who buy tons of VC will have a bunch of good players either way.

And yes, creating the players gives you a decent idea of how they will play out but it doesn't replicate the competition youre going against. I would love a better version of FIFA's Pro Clubs system in 2K

Just saying if someone buys tons of VC, to use on a player, it's limited to the amount of players they're going to use them on. If they blew their wallet on an undersized playmaking PG, and now they want a new guy, sorry bro you're going to have to dig deep in your pockets again if you're going to make a PF, or grind like the rest of us.

Say someone spends all their VC on a character and gets all the way up to 86 on the day of release with their SG Slasher/Defender. In this new system if I'm understanding it correctly (which in all honestly maybe I'm not), they can now look at who they're going to play and with a few clicks of their controller, they can now switch that to a 86ovr 7'1 Center Rim Protector/Glass Cleaner.

To me that compounds the problem, whereas before at least I knew you were going to run with your SG, so if I have a Center, I know what I can do to defend/beat you.

Now you just switch over because your OVR is translatable to anything you want it to be. So you really did just pay money to beat me.

[MoodMuzik]

Re: 200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

Whereas now, at least when your archetype that you choose to run with matters, and is an important choice.

[GoDucks1224]

200,000 VC to upgrade player to 85

These casuals are interested in competitive 5 on 5 Pro-AM, which is basketball, and the most popular mode in the game, and the one they have a $250,000 tournament for. Many of these casuals just aren't interested in playing the CPU, PNO, or some other offline mode.

I've been asking for anybody to list any other game where there's some kind of entrance requirement of a lot of hours or a lot of money spent, just to be able to be functional in their most popular mode.

And if the reply is "Just play with a 55" then people just aren't getting it.

I've also got hundreds of thousands of VC, but that was after I grinded quite a few players out, but that was well later in the year when I wasn't spending it on new players anymore.

MUT, FUT, HUT, DD. They are the most popular modes in their games. They all have the ability to get cards and currency for free through the game. But plenty of people pay for points/pucks/stubs in order to get a jump up on the competition. How is that not an acceptable comparison? Which you have been presented multiple times in this thread. Lmao. Just saw your post saying UT doesn't count. Which is illogical. But sure. Then how about League of Legends? You can buy new heroes with Riot Points. Dota 2? HoN? Same thing. You pay for new heroes with in game currency you earned or dollars. It's all the same model. You can earn it for free, or you buy it. Pretty simple. Rainbow Six? You buy the operators with money or in game currency. Gun attachments, too. Assassin's Creed multiplayer? Buy Helix points to instantly upgrade your character and gear, or earn it for free by building up money in the game. Battlefield 1. Star Wars Battlefront. For Honor. There are countless games with the same model. Earn it for free, or buy it for a shortcut. Do I LIKE that micro transactions are our reality? No. But I'm not gonna sit and complain about it when they're optional.



As someone who has never bought VC and ended up in the mid 80's, I've found it quite functional without spending a dime extra. I've beaten a lot of guys in the 80's with my 60 something overall, because none of them actually play basketball. They all play hero ball, and it's predictable.

[Yesh2kdone]

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Whereas now, at least when your archetype that you choose to run with matters, and is an important choice.

I have a suggestion for you, and I'd be really interested to follow it up, especially as you seem like the ideal person with the patience to actually do this.

Why don't you start a "Grind from 55 thread", where you start off as a brown shirt and show the community how you go about updating your player, how you earn your vc and what you do with your attributes etc, that you could update after every game you play with pics.

I'm only suggesting you because of how much you appreciate the grind and have spoken about having to grind, so that would be a really useful and fun thread for us all to see.

[ph33]

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MUT, FUT, HUT, DD. They are the most popular modes in their games. They all have the ability to get cards and currency for free through the game. But plenty of people pay for points/pucks/stubs in order to get a jump up on the competition. How is that not an acceptable comparison? Which you have been presented multiple times in this thread.

As someone who has never bought VC and ended up in the mid 80's, I've found it quite functional without spending a dime extra. I've beaten a lot of guys in the 80's with my 60 something overall, because none of them actually play basketball. They all play hero ball, and it's predictable.

"I am talking specifically about any kind of multiplayer arena game. So ultimate team doesn't count."

That was from one of my previous posts that you may have missed. To me it's not the same. Pro-AM is supposed to have an E-Sport feel to it---2k has declared as much. It's so far from it though. Ultimate Team modes are simply not the same. I'm talking like, "I bought this game to play 5v5, 6v6, whatever, but I gotta grind before my character doesn't suck." It's why I keep bringing up club modes from other sports games and a game like COD, or hell, even Battlefield. Battlefield makes you grind for better weapons and stuff, but you at least get a gun to start with.

I totally agree, there's a lot of dudes in 80s that are bad. When we saw mascots approaching our court we were excited cause we thought we'd play good people, but they were just as bad. Check their record and they've got thousands of games but a .500 record. So all they've done is play the game a ton but are no bueno.

However, all of that stuff really isn't the point.