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  • andrewthaggard
    Rookie
    • Sep 2016
    • 54

    #346
    Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

    Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
    One idea has come to me.

    The guys at 'nba2klab' might be willing to run a test on how dunking tendencies do affect dunk frequencies in this year's title for both users and CPU and not CPU alone.

    Should they come up with data that speaks with resounding evidence: it will give your case and the case for other tendencies tied to abilities the platform they need for building an understanding between business and community regarding how the two parts work together to influence outcomes.

    I'll reach out to them over Twitter today at my earliest convenience.

    Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk
    That would be really incredible. Thanks for helping with this, it's really a bummer for all of us.

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    • Marvlus91
      Rookie
      • Jul 2014
      • 415

      #347
      Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

      So I decided to make a new player offline. Made the exact same player as my main player, 6’5 Slashing Playmaker PG...went into tendancies and the driving dunk was at a 44, idk if it was because I was offline but 2k probably updated it on the low. So if you made a Slashing Playmaker at launch and your driving dunk tendancy is 25 then you might have to make a whole new player for the updated tendency smh

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      • hanzsomehanz
        MVP
        • Oct 2009
        • 3275

        #348
        Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

        Originally posted by Marvlus91
        So I decided to make a new player offline. Made the exact same player as my main player, 6’5 Slashing Playmaker PG...went into tendancies and the driving dunk was at a 44, idk if it was because I was offline but 2k probably updated it on the low. So if you made a Slashing Playmaker at launch and your driving dunk tendancy is 25 then you might have to make a whole new player for the updated tendency smh
        Leafing through the back pages of this thread it does appear to be a trend regarding what you just provided here.

        (60 Overall builds are dunking with predictable and even surprisingly effective ease with stock attributes)

        Anyone creating the same affected build after September 20 Beluba tuning is seemingly experiencing "resolved" build.

        At this point, any build created before September 20 tuning will continue to experience the damages indefinitely if the tuning did not already correct their experience. These users will need Beluba support to educate 2kSupport on the tendencies that need to be adjusted for these affected builds.

        2kSupport could then engineer a similar fix that they performed for users who lost their builds.

        Those affected builds post September 20 tuning are at the mercy of 2K. 1. The developers need to care and 2. The developers, similar to Beluba, need to empower 2kSupport to apply the "catch-up" fix or 3. Have Beluba create the "catch-up" fix.

        I have reached out to NBA2KLAB. If they choose to run a high level report on relationship between tendencies and dunks, and how they not only affect attempts but also frequency and style, then it would raise more global awareness albeit I'm still not sure Beluba cares to address these builds that were not able to be purged from the blaze.

        We can rest assured it was never related to user inputs or user skill or a lack thereof. The September 20 tuning has seemingly offered a new slate for any characters created since then.

        It's possible folks might raise a concern about Standing Dunk frequencies / tendencies (mainly the prevalence of 7ft bigs being the almost sole standing dunkers) and that may later bring Beluba's attention back on the case.

        For now, 2K is basically flying the GG flag in our faces.

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        Last edited by hanzsomehanz; 10-26-2017, 11:36 PM.
        how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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        • andrewthaggard
          Rookie
          • Sep 2016
          • 54

          #349
          Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

          Originally posted by Marvlus91
          So I decided to make a new player offline. Made the exact same player as my main player, 6’5 Slashing Playmaker PG...went into tendancies and the driving dunk was at a 44, idk if it was because I was offline but 2k probably updated it on the low. So if you made a Slashing Playmaker at launch and your driving dunk tendancy is 25 then you might have to make a whole new player for the updated tendency smh
          No f'in way, NOOOOO. I thought you could only see tendency when you became a 90?

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          • andrewthaggard
            Rookie
            • Sep 2016
            • 54

            #350
            Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

            Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
            Leafing through the back pages of this thread it does appear to be a trend regarding what you just provided here.

            (60 Overall builds are dunking with predictable and even surprisingly effective ease with stock attributes)

            Anyone creating the same affected build after September 20 Beluba tuning is seemingly experiencing "resolved" build.

            At this point, any build created before September 20 tuning will continue to experience the damages indefinitely if the tuning did not already correct their experience. These users will need Beluba support to educate 2kSupport on the tendencies that need to be adjusted for these affected builds.

            2kSupport could then engineer a similar fix that they performed for users who lost their builds.

            Those affected builds post September 20 tuning are at the mercy of 2K. 1. The developers need to care and 2. The developers, similar to Beluba, need to empower 2kSupport to apply the "catch-up" fix or 3. Have Beluba create the "catch-up" fix.

            I have reached out to NBA2KLAB. If they choose to run a high level report on relationship between tendencies and dunks, and how they not only affect attempts but also frequency and style, then it would raise more global awareness albeit I'm still not sure Beluba cares to address these builds that were not able to be purged from the blaze.

            We can rest assured it was never related to user inputs or user skill or a lack thereof. The September 20 tuning has seemingly offered a new slate for any characters created since then.

            It's possible folks might raise a concern about Standing Dunk frequencies / tendencies (mainly the prevalence of 7ft bigs being the almost sole standing dunkers) and that may later bring Beluba's attention back on the case.

            For now, 2K is basically flying the GG flag in our faces.

            Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk
            Oh man, it makes so much sense now. How can I help/what's next? I wishe more people had experienced this but it is what it is. I should have just started the new placeholder player when 2ksupport offered it.

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            • Marvlus91
              Rookie
              • Jul 2014
              • 415

              #351
              Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

              Originally posted by andrewthaggard
              No f'in way, NOOOOO. I thought you could only see tendency when you became a 90?
              When you make an offline player you have access to everything basically,

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              • AshamanCarnage
                Rookie
                • Jul 2006
                • 1252

                #352
                Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                Just stopped by to say I have had my guy since the pre-order launch (6’4 Slashing Playnaker) and after the “fix” I started dunking more, not all the time but more and now that I have silver posterizer I slam fairly easily.

                If you guys don’t have bronze posterizer yet then you should wait to get it before you decide to create a new player based on a hunch.

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                • hanzsomehanz
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2009
                  • 3275

                  #353
                  Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                  Originally posted by andrewthaggard
                  Oh man, it makes so much sense now. How can I help/what's next? I wishe more people had experienced this but it is what it is. I should have just started the new placeholder player when 2ksupport offered it.
                  I think I may have a plan for you considering Marvs insight with the offline creations.

                  You already have record of your current builds tendencies.

                  What you could do now is create the same build offline and capture that player's tendencies.

                  If you are able to dunk with the offline build and the offline build also reflects different tendencies: you will now have a decent case you can offer to Beluba and 2kSupport.

                  If you do reach this outcome: keep a screenshot of both tendencies from each character and attach this to your new 2k case. If you're able to capture this on video and share a YouTube link that would also enhance the level of understanding on the case

                  All I really see as the main challenge here is getting 2kSupport to understand the discrepancy and then getting them to acknowledge how they can apply a fix for you - only two challenges but both huge [emoji33]

                  The expectation is they offer you an updated character with the corrected tendencies. You might suffer a loss of progress in some areas of your Player Progression as did users who lost their characters and received new "recovered" ones.
                  Originally posted by Marvlus91
                  When you make an offline player you have access to everything basically,

                  Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk
                  how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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                  • TheFinalEvent97
                    MVP
                    • Jul 2016
                    • 1519

                    #354
                    Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                    6'11 265lbs Two Way Athletic Finisher
                    94 Standing Dunk Tendency
                    90 Driving Dunk Tendency
                    68 Flashy Dunk Tendency
                    89 Alley Oop Tendency

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                    • hanzsomehanz
                      MVP
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 3275

                      #355
                      Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                      Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
                      6'11 265lbs Two Way Athletic Finisher
                      94 Standing Dunk Tendency
                      90 Driving Dunk Tendency
                      68 Flashy Dunk Tendency
                      89 Alley Oop Tendency
                      #Beast 🐯

                      Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk
                      how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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                      • fakeassc
                        Rookie
                        • Sep 2016
                        • 371

                        #356
                        Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                        It's funny because the CPU has higher dunk tendencies "under the hood".

                        Like, they're automatically dunking more in traffic and I had to turn up my slider a bit (or theirs down) to see a better balance.

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                        • andrewthaggard
                          Rookie
                          • Sep 2016
                          • 54

                          #357
                          Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                          Originally posted by hanzsomehanz
                          I think I may have a plan for you considering Marvs insight with the offline creations.

                          You already have record of your current builds tendencies.

                          What you could do now is create the same build offline and capture that player's tendencies.

                          If you are able to dunk with the offline build and the offline build also reflects different tendencies: you will now have a decent case you can offer to Beluba and 2kSupport.

                          If you do reach this outcome: keep a screenshot of both tendencies from each character and attach this to your new 2k case. If you're able to capture this on video and share a YouTube link that would also enhance the level of understanding on the case

                          All I really see as the main challenge here is getting 2kSupport to understand the discrepancy and then getting them to acknowledge how they can apply a fix for you - only two challenges but both huge [emoji33]

                          The expectation is they offer you an updated character with the corrected tendencies. You might suffer a loss of progress in some areas of your Player Progression as did users who lost their characters and received new "recovered" ones.



                          Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk

                          Well, everyone's suggestions lead me to exactly hat I suspected. Post day-one patch created players (Slashing Playmakers, in my case) were indeed fixed. I created an offline player with my exact dimensions/archetype and sure enough: 44 driving dunk tendency, not 25, which my current, day one player has. Will be sending to 2ksupport. If anyone can help move this up the flagpole, please help.

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                          • hanzsomehanz
                            MVP
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 3275

                            #358
                            Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                            Originally posted by andrewthaggard
                            Well, everyone's suggestions lead me to exactly hat I suspected. Post day-one patch created players (Slashing Playmakers, in my case) were indeed fixed. I created an offline player with my exact dimensions/archetype and sure enough: 44 driving dunk tendency, not 25, which my current, day one player has. Will be sending to 2ksupport. If anyone can help move this up the flagpole, please help.
                            Hopefully they understand the situation and the resolution you are seeking 🙏

                            Sent from my SGH-I337M using Tapatalk
                            how could I lose? im playing by my own rules..

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                            • Rsnake21
                              Rookie
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 128

                              #359
                              Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                              Well unfortunately guys it doesn't appear 2k is going to address this issue. What a waste

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                              • Thetruth9012
                                MVP
                                • Oct 2013
                                • 1287

                                #360
                                Re: can't dunk with my shot creating/slasher

                                Originally posted by Marvlus91
                                When you make an offline player you have access to everything basically,
                                Where are the tendencies tho i cant find them in myplayer card.
                                2k18 fixes

                                Bigs can cover to much ground on defense(they are too fast)

                                Late contest on laups matter too much.

                                Random blocks doing pumpfakes.

                                Leaning shots for guys who have catch and shoot badge should be removed.

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