On Ball Defense is HORRIBLE!!

[WarMMA]

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If i'm being honest, on ball D is the best it's ever been. Where on ball D was horrible was in 2k18 cuz players could cheeze the blow by animation. But now there is a mixture between stone walling and hip riding that makes for a happy medium with on ball D. Now as long as you're in great defensive position, cutting off angles properly and keeping the pressure on, you can shut guys down...especially if you're an elite defender. There are a few other things that you can do too on defense that lots of players don't use. Like chucking while crowding the dribbler for example. I've made a few good defensive plays using this when I had my man crowded while he was stuck basline. Gave him a chuck while he's along the basline and he stumbled out of bounds, causing a turnover. You can't abuse it though, as most times it'll result in a foul. Its best used at appropriate times like when they are stuck in the corner or along the baseline.

[Hustle Westbrook]

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Yeah, as a mostly MyTeam (and PNO here and there) player, I can say that on-ball D is very good this year.

Matter of fact, it's so good that I don't really see people bothering to even isolate and spam dribble moves anymore. People mostly use pick and rolls/fades.

[howardphillips214]

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Perimeter defense is much improved from last year. Paint defense? Not so much. Sure... People miss in the paint more. But it's not usually due to great defense.

[olajuwon34]

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It programmed that way to balance things out ...
Most of the time your arms are pushed down on contests and sometimes you walk into a forcefield that holds you back when closing out so the shooter gets the time and space ...also double teams are not consistent...sometimes i got 2 defenders crowd the ball.handler and it doesnt affect him a BIT .

The wackest thing in 2k is that they interfere with your defense and stick skills...its disappointing and has been in 2k for a long time ..also vs the cpu you see this stuff happen more frequent

This is probably another factor into why i just cant get into these games again, too much artificial supernatural things affecting competition.

[2_headedmonster]

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My opinion is unpopular, but the on-ball defense from a mechanics stand point is a step sideways. Its unrealistic in that it is far too contact dependent. It also has too many canned sequences that take control from the defender and the ball handler leading to more unrealstic outcomes. On top of that, the weird Auto strafe that they force the ball handler into helps make the on-ball defense more effective..

Its easier, so with more success, more people are going to like it, but personally i wouldn't call it good.

[alabamarob]

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My opinion is unpopular, but the on-ball defense from a mechanics stand point is a step sideways. Its unrealistic in that it is far too contact dependent. It also has too many canned sequences that take control from the defender and the ball handler leading to more unrealstic outcomes. On top of that, the weird Auto strafe that they force the ball handler into helps make the on-ball defense more effective..

Its easier, so with more success, more people are going to like it, but personally i wouldn't call it good.

I agree I think user On ball defense is OP. I can lock people up with Trae Young often and that should never happen. If you have stick skills you can take any defender and lockup. Shouldnt be that way.

[2_headedmonster]

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I agree I think user On ball defense is OP. I can lock people up with Trae Young often and that should never happen. If you have stick skills you can take any defender and lockup. Shouldnt be that way.

This is very true. On ball needed an improvement, but this barely requires skill.

[WarMMA]

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I think maybe there was a bit too much emphasis on the stone walling, but what I think could be done is kinda simple. Have the players strength attribute rating and size play bigger roll than it currently does on their ability to hold guys off. So for example, a player like Trae Young who's strength attribute is on the lower end of the spectrum, won't be holding much guys off. Especially if they have much higher strength attribute and on top of that are bigger than him. So lets look at a point guard match up example...lets say Trae Young (50 strength rating) is guarding Westbrook (75 strength rating). The big strength advantage Westbrook has means Young won't be able to hold him off (stonewall) and means Westbrook will kinda be able to bully him. He won't be able to just run him over, but his big strength attribute advantage would mean things like easy back downs in the post and higher chance of a blow by on drives to the rim. So basically it would work sort of like how mismatches (like a PG on a C/PF) currently do when there are big strength advantages/disadvantages between players, regardless of position.

[alabamarob]

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I think maybe there was a bit too much emphasis on the stone walling, but what I think could be done is kinda simple. Have the players strength attribute rating and size play bigger roll than it currently does on their ability to hold guys off. So for example, a player like Trae Young who's strength attribute is on the lower end of the spectrum, won't be holding much guys off. Especially if they have much higher strength attribute and on top of that are bigger than him. So lets look at a point guard match up example...lets say Trae Young (50 strength rating) is guarding Westbrook (75 strength rating). The big strength advantage Westbrook has means Young won't be able to hold him off (stonewall) and means Westbrook will kinda be able to bully him. He won't be able to just run him over, but his big strength attribute advantage would mean things like easy back downs in the post and higher chance of a blow by on drives to the rim. So basically it would work sort of like how mismatches (like a PG on a C/PF) currently do when there are big strength advantages/disadvantages between players, regardless of position.

The problem with this is that it would make the bigs even better on ball when irl they are not. Strength should not be a major factor in onball def imo. I think the on ball def rating should control the blow by animation.

[WarMMA]

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The problem with this is that it would make the bigs even better on ball when irl they are not. Strength should not be a major factor in onball def imo. I think the on ball def rating should control the blow by animation.

Yh that could work too, but how would it work? Like the higher the on ball rating, the better chance a guy has at holding the player off and not getting blown by? And the lower the on ball rating, the less chance of holding off and higher chance of a blow by?

[alabamarob]

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Yh that could work too, but how would it work? Like the higher the on ball rating, the better chance a guy has at holding the player off and not getting blown by? And the lower the on ball rating, the less chance of holding off and higher chance of a blow by?

Exactly. Freelances and plays are only here to create mismatches. So if everyone can contest shots from anywhere and everyone can smother the perimeter without fouling then whats the point? Poor defenders and slow bigs should have the blow bye animation when they make body contact with a fast player who can dribble. Defenders should be forced to give space, not create contact.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I agree I think user On ball defense is OP. I can lock people up with Trae Young often and that should never happen. If you have stick skills you can take any defender and lockup. Shouldnt be that way.

However, the opposite should be said for the ball handler. If you have stick skills, you shouldn't be getting locked up by a person who's not a good defender.

[Painless taken]

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Anyone have any tips for guarding against the baseline?

[WarMMA]

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Anyone have any tips for guarding against the baseline?

Depends on who you're guarding, but give them a tiny bit of space (basically dont smother) and play hands up. That's generally what I have the most success doing. And if I really have them stuck at an angle, then i'll smother and sometimes give them a chuck. It could cause them to stumble out of bounds sometimes.

[23]

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I agree I think user On ball defense is OP. I can lock people up with Trae Young often and that should never happen. If you have stick skills you can take any defender and lockup. Shouldnt be that way.

It is OP and this is the first time that is has been WAY more OP than offense.

Czar stated the tech for offense is not up to par with the defense which is why its a problem so the game is to always look for the best balance... can't perfect it.