On Ball Defense is HORRIBLE!!

[alabamarob]

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23 has done good work this year, and I appreciate how he has been a liason to the devs. I play the game and i want it to be sim. I dont want Ben Simmons and Fultz knocking down jumpers every game. If rating translation and tendencies are not a priority for them, so be it. It isnt complaining just because it aint given to 2k how they want it. I personally didnt add to the list because I dont work on 2ks development cycle or schedule. I buy the game and expect a good product. To be honest out of respect to the effort that 23 and 24 put forth to keep things sane around here, i keep about 75 percent of my negative comments to myself. 2k19 post patch has been disappointing, and thats not a complaint.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Not to be that guy, but I think this subgroup is a very small minority. Plus, "how the game should play" is so subjective, it will always be hard to make the "best rosters" for NBA 2K out of the box.

I agree we are in minority. The offline gamer is a minority now. I also agree rosters and tendencies are subjective. That being said there is data and stats for all player tendencies. It's all about finding thresholds and go off stats. Remember in pre 18 release they had a video of I.T. driving and hitting a stepback J and left defender in the dust? Everyone was like WOW that was I.T.! Thats the things I'm talking about seeing guys play like themselves.

Like AROB said he doesnt want to see Fultz or Simmons pulling up jumpers. I never had that issue in my roster. But you are right we are minority as far as offline guys and yet alone just guys who use custom rosters. Like I said, if you use a fully edited roster well done it's undeniable the difference. Anyone who says otherwise just hasn't tried it. If more did it's quite simply a gamechanger. Do you think I spend 3 months editing real playbooks and real player tendencies and test the game because I like too? LOL! Heel to F'n NO! I do it because the end results are worth it. I can't play unless it's SIM all the way through. Thats me and I'm OCD like that though. But like I said because we are small minority just tells me the majority has never tried it, doesn't know it exists, doesn't care, plays online where it doesn't matter, or plays another mode that doesn't require or use a custom roster.

All I know is what I read from the masses that do try a roster within it's threads. Undeniable with positive responses on how much better it is. Im in roster forum 99% of my time pre release. Seeing all the people testing sim stats, thresholds, CPU vs CPU tests, etc. Its a small group but a dedicated fan base for guys wanting most realistic gameplay and my league experience as possible...

Here are a couple quick questions though... #1 - if you had a choice of having the CPU run random plays or plays they ran IRL what would you choose? You appreciate the real plays as we have talked about it before. Thats your answer man... No difference with players playing as themselves... #2 - You are PS4 guy right? So you have never tried sim worlds, YAK, VT, or my rosters before right? 2nd have you ever used a custom roster? Have you ever looked at the player tendencies? The real bad ones are the Classic teams. Go scan them briefly... It's crazy. I swear I need to start a thread with stats as data and compare with other players so people can really see and understand how bad they are out of the box. I have seen the roster attributes thread in the past and complaints over badges. No difference here except tendencies go untouched. Let the thresholds, scales, and data provide the proper scales.

Lastly, it's like having a UFC game where all the UFC fighters don't fight like themselves. Think UFC 2 compared to 3. Night and day!

Anyways, If you don't know, now ya know... LOL I'm passionate about my player tendencies and playbooks man! LOL

[vannwolfhawk]

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23 has done good work this year, and I appreciate how he has been a liason to the devs. I play the game and i want it to be sim. I dont want Ben Simmons and Fultz knocking down jumpers every game. If rating translation and tendencies are not a priority for them, so be it. It isnt complaining just because it aint given to 2k how they want it. I personally didnt add to the list because I dont work on 2ks development cycle or schedule. I buy the game and expect a good product. To be honest out of respect to the effort that 23 and 24 put forth to keep things sane around here, i keep about 75 percent of my negative comments to myself. 2k19 post patch has been disappointing, and thats not a complaint.

You need to speak up OG so they know what to fix. If anything you play more than anyone in this forum and should be the online voice for head to head and leagues IMO... Let em know...

[alabamarob]

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You need to speak up OG so they know what to fix. If anything you play more than anyone in this forum and should be the online voice for head to head and leagues IMO... Let em know...

I try to stay out of the way. I assume they are giving us the product they want to. They are aware of the issues. So i just assume it cant be fixed. I only say something when it gets rediculous. Or when I feel like folks are double talking. I am sure they know Simmons doesn't shoot 5 fadeaways a game, and that he doesnt need a 74 fade rating. Or that Trae Young is not stronger then Baze and Jeremy Lin.

[23]

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You need to speak up OG so they know what to fix. If anything you play more than anyone in this forum and should be the online voice for head to head and leagues IMO... Let em know...

Definitely speak to 2K about what you DO LIKE so they can know.

You're great with those tutorials man, make the videos where you demonstrate the stuff you want and push the content through OS SimNation

That way its not lost in the shuffle of trash spewed on the internet and its professionally presented in a way they can see. It's easier to get their eye that way than coming here saying "FIX YOUR GAME!!" in any and every thread possible

I try to stay out of the way. I assume they are giving us the product they want to. They are aware of the issues. So i just assume it cant be fixed. I only say something when it gets rediculous. Or when I feel like folks are double talking. I am sure they know Simmons doesn't shoot 5 fadeaways a game, and that he doesnt need a 74 fade rating.

You're apart of us bruh. You play MyLeague so you can't be quiet. If anything you do know leftos and simballer are listening. They dont say much but they just bust out with a ton of stuff before release the next year.



This 2K right now IMO is a different game than it was at release and I don't like it as much either. I mean we didn't even get a chance to adjust before the patches started rolling

[vannwolfhawk]

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I try to stay out of the way. I assume they are giving us the product they want to. They are aware of the issues. So i just assume it cant be fixed. I only say something when it gets rediculous. Or when I feel like folks are double talking. I am sure they know Simmons doesn't shoot 5 fadeaways a game, and that he doesnt need a 74 fade rating. Or that Trae Young is not stronger then Baze and Jeremy Lin.

You know what my grandpa always used to say to me....... “you know what happens when you *** u me” lol! Never assume OG!

[alabamarob]

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Definitely speak to 2K about what you DO LIKE so they can know.

You're great with those tutorials man, make the videos where you demonstrate the stuff you want and push the content through OS SimNation

That way its not lost in the shuffle of trash spewed on the internet and its professionally presented in a way they can see. It's easier to get their eye that way than coming here saying "FIX YOUR GAME!!" in any and every thread possible



You're apart of us bruh. You play MyLeague so you can't be quiet. If anything you do know leftos and simballer are listening. They dont say much but they just bust out with a ton of stuff before release the next year.



This 2K right now IMO is a different game than it was at release and I don't like it as much either. I mean we didn't even get a chance to adjust before the patches started rolling

Out the box it was great. If they roll back the contests and make the Ai shooting realistic i would be fine. Tonight ironically the game has been better at what is or is not an open shot. It seems. I wonder if they changed something?


I am a believer in the silent fixes. Also, I agree with you on the non basketball complaints. I cant stand those either.

[vannwolfhawk]

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Definitely speak to 2K about what you DO LIKE so they can know.

You're great with those tutorials man, make the videos where you demonstrate the stuff you want and push the content through OS SimNation

That way its not lost in the shuffle of trash spewed on the internet and its professionally presented in a way they can see. It's easier to get their eye that way than coming here saying "FIX YOUR GAME!!" in any and every thread possible

If I’m not speaking on it it means I like it! Lol if I’m speaking on it I hate it! I was always like that as a player when I played. Tell me what I did wrong and how I could be better. I never wanted to hear what I did well, that’s me though. But I get you’re point!

[23]

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If I’m not speaking on it it means I like it! Lol if I’m speaking on it I hate it! I was always like that as a player when I played. Tell me what I did wrong and how I could be better. I never wanted to hear what I did well, that’s me though. But I get you’re point!

Well because there are those who will speak in your stead and their idea of basketball is not what you know as basketball.




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[WarMMA]

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Out the box it was great. If they roll back the contests and make the Ai shooting realistic i would be fine. Tonight ironically the game has been better at what is or is not an open shot. It seems. I wonder if they changed something?


I am a believer in the silent fixes. Also, I agree with you on the non basketball complaints. I cant stand those either.

I doubt it was a silent fix, but after playing a bit more games I think i'm finally seeing the shot success tuning they did tbh. The CPU is actually missing some open shots here and there with good shooters. I like, cuz it keeps things at a more realistic percentage. Of course, i'm playing on all-star.

[bongo88]

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I dont think there is enough time to do that in an 8-9 month cycle.

The offline roster creators .... sim worlds, YAK, VT, vannwolfhawk .... did all the heavy lifting. Excellent rosters with edited playbooks, tendencies, coach ratings, badges. the roster creators for 2k18 made superb edits.


All 2kSports needed to do for 2k19 was copy/paste .... well, any of those rosters


I remember early in 2k18 year (sept/oct/nov) when tendency edits were able to fix the aggressive post drive/ aggressive post backdown. A few weeks later an official 2k18 update had the tendency edits.


edit: found the link: https://forums.operationsports.com/f...ealism-52.html

[ataman5]

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As far as the tendencies and ratings go, there are thousands of in detail player stats analysis sites on the web and also paid services/apps etc. where you could learn all nba players tendencies and what he's done how he's done etc. etc. with that by now 2k should have implemented some sort of automatic way of updating those tendencies to real life. Just my 2 cents.

[Mikelopedia]

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Us tendency guys may be in the minority as far as the guys who have the patience to understand what each of these tendencies do and then fix them, but they affect everyone including MyCareer players who complain about their teammates. Even head to head users are affected by tendencies such a CPU reach ins, block attempts, transition spacing, fouls or lack there of, and passing lanes.

It's just frustrating that some of us in the community understand what these tendencies do more than the guys who make the actual product. Even something simple like transition spot up to cut tendency, it's a 30 minute fix, and the difference is night and day in transition spacing. No programming or patch or anything required.

Like Vann was saying the hardest thing is creating a scale, but once that's established its just data entry.

If tendencies and playbooks were authentic, the game would be unrecognizable for the better, they are the 2 most important things yet 2 of the most overlooked.

[pjt8405]

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Us tendency guys may be in the minority as far as the guys who have the patience to understand what each of these tendencies do and then fix them, but they affect everyone including MyCareer players who complain about their teammates. Even head to head users are affected by tendencies such a CPU reach ins, block attempts, transition spacing, fouls or lack there of, and passing lanes.

It's just frustrating that some of us in the community understand what these tendencies do more than the guys who make the actual product. Even something simple like transition spot up to cut tendency, it's a 30 minute fix, and the difference is night and day in transition spacing. No programming or patch or anything required.

Like Vann was saying the hardest thing is creating a scale, but once that's established its just data entry.

If tendencies and playbooks were authentic, the game would be unrecognizable for the better, they are the 2 most important things yet 2 of the most overlooked.

You’re exactly right that the scale for Tendencies is the hardest thing to nail down as gameplay tuning, Play updates etc all play a part in Tendencies editing. My vote would be to release one big update that consists of Vanneolfhawk’s edits from last season coupled with tweaks using that same scale for players who have added to their game along with rookies from this year. Tweaks to Vann’s work last season would not take long as he truly got the game playing correctly after a lot of trial & error and or incomplete implementation of the official Tendencies last year.

[vannwolfhawk]

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You’re exactly right that the scale for Tendencies is the hardest thing to nail down as gameplay tuning, Play updates etc all play a part in Tendencies editing. My vote would be to release one big update that consists of Vanneolfhawk’s edits from last season coupled with tweaks using that same scale for players who have added to their game along with rookies from this year. Tweaks to Vann’s work last season would not take long as he truly got the game playing correctly after a lot of trial & error and or incomplete implementation of the official Tendencies last year.

I appreciate that! The people who have tried it get it and I’m not speaking about just my roster but anyone’s who takes the time and detail into editing tendencies. It’s undeniably a huge difference in gameplay and for realism. It’s just not out there and not discussed in the main forums... hopefully they revisit it as it was on their radar for a reason! They wouldn’t hire someone if they thought it didn’t need to be done! Lol