Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

[killakrok]

I was really exited to see how the 2K e-league turned out mostly because I don't feel like the game is ready for high level competition in it's current state as far as skill gap, balance, and presence of bugs/exploits etc. I wanted to see how these things would effect the e-league and if it would force 2K to make changes that would improve the game for everyone else.

In a recent SimHangOut I heard it mentioned that the e-leauge would be on a different build that could have mechanics/tuning that is different from the game everyone else is playing. How do people feel about this? I find it pretty revealing that 2K knows that the game isn't competitive in its current state, whether that is because of connectivity issues, or more importantly because of game design, imbalance, and exploits.

To my knowledge no other competitive games create a separate version of the game to be played for competitive use. Rainbow Six Siege even recently decided to hold off on certain planned changes to the game because it would effect the game for pros too close to a big upcoming competition. In League of Legends fans watch the pros for entertainment but also look at them to figure out playstyle and what the meta is. This would be impossible if the game that the pros compete on is different from the game that the fans play.

How can fans of NBA 2K watch a competition that is on different build of the game than they play? This may end up not being a big difference, but there may be big difference in the competitive build compared to the main build and would be like watching NBA Live competitions to find out how to play 2K.

Thoughts?

[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

You think 2k is the only game that doesn't have a different build for esports? Come on man... Wake up!

The is build we play is for general public. That game can't be the same game they play in e league. It can't be.

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[jfsolo]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

To me the only problem is that they should offer a setting with the e-league build to the general public so that people who want to play the best version of the game can have the opportunity to do so. I mean sure, most of their customer base wants to play with exploits r us mechanics, but don't deprive the serious basketball heads who aren't in the league the most authentic gameplay experience.

[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

To me the only problem is that they should offer a setting with the e-league build to the general public so that people who want to play the best version of the game can have the opportunity to do so. I mean sure, most of their customer base wants to play with exploits r us mechanics, but don't deprive the serious basketball heads who aren't in the league the most authentic gameplay experience.

Totally agree....

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[killakrok]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

You think 2k is the only game that doesn't have a different build for esports? Come on man... Wake up!

The is build we play is for general public. That game can't be the same game they play in e league. It can't be.

Which games do? Serious question.
I play games that have big competitive scenes but I don't watch them myself.

I don't mean isolated builds that just separate the tournament player base from the general game environemnt for better connectivity and view-ability, but separate builds that have different mechanics, balance, and gameplay.

To me the only problem is that they should offer a setting with the e-league build to the general public so that people who want to play the best version of the game can have the opportunity to do so.

True, that is why I was interested to see the e-league. I was hoping that the changes they made would make the game better for everyone, but if they have separate builds that wont be the case.

There are no longer HOF Sim lobby's so my best hope was for the e-league to expose the foolishness and lead to changes for the future.

[ph33]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

If this is the start of something for 2k19 I am all for it

This sounds like what we've wanted for so long!

[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Which games do? Serious question.
I play games that have big competitive scenes but I don't watch them myself.

I don't mean isolated builds that just separate the tournament player base from the general game environemnt for better connectivity and view-ability, but separate builds that have different mechanics, balance, and gameplay.



True, that is why I was interested to see the e-league. I was hoping that the changes they made would make the game better for everyone, but if they have separate builds that wont be the case.

There are no longer HOF Sim lobby's so my best hope was for the e-league to expose the foolishness and lead to changes for the future.

Which games? All of them. Especially if it has its own league.

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[killakrok]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Which games? All of them. Especially if it has its own league.

Which ones?

I'm not talking separate builds for tournament lobbies and broadcasting, but builds that have separate gameplay code. To my knowledge Counterstrike, Rainbow Six Siege, Overwatch, League of Legends, Dota, Rocket League, Street Fighter, and Smash Bros don't. In many instances official tournaments are carried out on systems and public clients that make it impossible to have private gameplay code.

The gameplay of the competitive matches has to be the exact same as the core game for anyone to believe that the best competitive players are actually the best at the game. This is what allows others to watch them and know that the tactics they are seeing in competition apply to the game everyone else is playing.

If a team won a tournament in LoL using an item that was 20% better in competitive play than in the public build, or someone destroyed the competition in Street Fighter with a character that does 5% more damage in the competitive build, that competition would be seen as meaningless. Balance is the cornerstone of competitive play, if a game is balanced differently for competitions those competitions couldn't be seen as legitimate representation of the actual game.

Game build is something that competitive players take seriously. Take something like DarksydePhil being seen as a joke in the competitive Street Fighter scene because he brags about placing high in a tournament that players protested because an inferior port of the game was used for competition which other players didn't feel represented the actual game and required less skill.

Competitive games may have separate builds that make it easier for tournament setup and broadcasting, but they have the same gameplay.

What games do you know that have separate gameplay for competitive play that is separate form the gameplay that everyone else has? I actually want to know because I'd like to know how it effects competitive play and the base game audience.

[3ShowTime2]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Which games? All of them. Especially if it has its own league.

So which one? He is right. I also dont know any esports game which is played on different development version in the competitive environment. All balance fixes etc for all games are always made in the main version and are made available to the public. From what Ive heard 2k might even remove badges, nerf animations for the eleague. If thats true thats a completely different game the eleague will be played with.

The game for sure is not ready for esports in its current state. Its simply not balanced, a lot op animations (snatchback, hopstep 14), imbalanced badges etc etc. I mean im also all for it, but it should be made on the public build and introduced in the main development version because everybody will benefit from this.

[MrWrestling3]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

To me the only problem is that they should offer a setting with the e-league build to the general public so that people who want to play the best version of the game can have the opportunity to do so. I mean sure, most of their customer base wants to play with exploits r us mechanics, but don't deprive the serious basketball heads who aren't in the league the most authentic gameplay experience.

Agreed, I would like to know what (if any) game play changes were made.

If it results in a more competitive experience with a better focus on realistic type basketball, I think it could be what many players have been looking for as far an online experience.

[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Which ones?

I'm not talking separate builds for tournament lobbies and broadcasting, but builds that have separate gameplay code. To my knowledge Counterstrike, Rainbow Six Siege, Overwatch, League of Legends, Dota, Rocket League, Street Fighter, and Smash Bros don't. In many instances official tournaments are carried out on systems and public clients that make it impossible to have private gameplay code.

The gameplay of the competitive matches has to be the exact same as the core game for anyone to believe that the best competitive players are actually the best at the game. This is what allows others to watch them and know that the tactics they are seeing in competition apply to the game everyone else is playing.

If a team won a tournament in LoL using an item that was 20% better in competitive play than in the public build, or someone destroyed the competition in Street Fighter with a character that does 5% more damage in the competitive build, that competition would be seen as meaningless. Balance is the cornerstone of competitive play, if a game is balanced differently for competitions those competitions couldn't be seen as legitimate representation of the actual game.

Game build is something that competitive players take seriously. Take something like DarksydePhil being seen as a joke in the competitive Street Fighter scene because he brags about placing high in a tournament that players protested because an inferior port of the game was used for competition which other players didn't feel represented the actual game and required less skill.

Competitive games may have separate builds that make it easier for tournament setup and broadcasting, but they have the same gameplay.

What games do you know that have separate gameplay for competitive play that is separate form the gameplay that everyone else has? I actually want to know because I'd like to know how it effects competitive play and the base game audience.

So which one? He is right. I also dont know any esports game which is played on different development version in the competitive environment. All balance fixes etc for all games are always made in the main version and are made available to the public. From what Ive heard 2k might even remove badges, nerf animations for the eleague. If thats true thats a completely different game the eleague will be played with.

The game for sure is not ready for esports in its current state. Its simply not balanced, a lot op animations (snatchback, hopstep 14), imbalanced badges etc etc. I mean im also all for it, but it should be made on the public build and introduced in the main development version because everybody will benefit from this.

All of them.....

You really think they are playing the same game?

You think the Devs are going to say? Hahahaha

Wake up guys.....

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[Kriech23]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

All of them.....

You really think they are playing the same game?

You think the Devs are going to say? Hahahaha

Wake up guys.....

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Informative.

[Korrupted]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

What games do you know that have separate gameplay for competitive play that is separate form the gameplay that everyone else has? I actually want to know because I'd like to know how it effects competitive play and the base game audience.

None of them do. No disrespect but he doesn't know what he's talking about thats why his response was hella vague. I played competitive COD for years and never experienced this. Any changes that were made on the competitive scene were made on the casual scene and vice versa.

[Hornetz]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

I’m quite tired of the whining that goes on over this video game. The maxim will always hold true “you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.” 2K owes us nothing besides an equal exchange of value which would be the $60 paid for the video game. Everything else is extra. $250,000 tournament open to the public who have all reached legal age EXTRA. Learn to roll with it and stop whining and crying about the haves and have-nots.

They don’t need to let you practice on a similar build to the e-Sports because they don’t have to. The staff at 2K has planned these events and have hosted them successfully (see last years tournament.) if you disagree strongly about how it takes place, maybe this isn’t the tournament for you and you should move along to one of the many other games mentioned.

[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Informative.

I'm here, if you need anything else.

I’m quite tired of the whining that goes on over this video game. The maxim will always hold true “you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.” 2K owes us nothing besides an equal exchange of value which would be the $60 paid for the video game. Everything else is extra. $250,000 tournament open to the public who have all reached legal age EXTRA. Learn to roll with it and stop whining and crying about the haves and have-nots.

They don’t need to let you practice on a similar build to the e-Sports because they don’t have to. The staff at 2K has planned these events and have hosted them successfully (see last years tournament.) if you disagree strongly about how it takes place, maybe this isn’t the tournament for you and you should move along to one of the many other games mentioned.

Thank you! lol


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