Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

[Junior Moe]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Even then, non-annualized games with competitive scenes run their their competitions on the same latest patch that everyone plays on. This is why you get things like the League of Legends community releasing videos, streams, and interviews with pros talking to the overall community about how the game effects everyone.

Why are people acting like this E League won't be the latest patch that everyone is playing on? None of the other tournaments were played on vastly different builds of the game. They patched/nurfed some things, and that was it. Why is this being perceived as anything different?

[Real2KInsider]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Even then, non-annualized games with competitive scenes run their their competitions on the same latest patch that everyone plays on. This is why you get things like the League of Legends community releasing videos, streams, and interviews with pros talking to the overall community about how the game effects everyone.

Even when the game is constantly updated, the pros and the remaining community play on the same build.

I think you are misunderstanding a bit here.

When NBA 2K19 releases there will still be an obligation to sell copies of NBA 2K20. If NBA 2K19's gameplay gets continually updated with 2K20 tech, then there ceases to be a compelling reason to drop $60 on the following year's game.

When a new Rainbow Six or Street Fighter game drops it isn't a patch update. It is a new version of the game that stands on its own and has a separate competitive scene from the previous iteration.

2K League (an NBA entity) wants to be an LoL-like scene with non-annualized updates, but 2K Sports (the game studio) still operates very much like the latter. Each yearly release of the game is essentially a new build (they just have much shorter dev cycles than your average game). Those are two distinctly different directions and eventually they will need to pick one before crashing into the highway divider.

[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

I understand Jeebs made an *** of himself with the statement but we still riding his *** after he conceded to move on is a bad look on us too. [emoji16]

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hahahahahaha Won't be the first time and won't be the last.


It's ok......let them keep going. It's the only thing keeping this thread alive lol

[Thunderhorse]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

I understand Jeebs made an *** of himself with the statement but we still riding his *** after he conceded to move on is a bad look on us too. [emoji16]

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Except he didn't concede anything other than a "difference of opinion".

Maybe you'd have a point if he'd provided evidence for his POV, especially given the fact that the burden of proof was his responsibility, and he blatantly avoided and failed to provide factual evidence (because he probably has none).

All he really did was passive aggressively avoid taking responsibility for his original statement by incorrectly asserting it was a matter of opinion.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Except he didn't concede anything other than a "difference of opinion".

This is when he acknowledged it was his sole opinion and conceded to move on:

Alright.... I'm moving on if you guys are. At this point it's just my opinion. And that's cool.

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[jeebs9]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Except he didn't concede anything other than a "difference of opinion".

Maybe you'd have a point if he'd provided evidence for his POV, especially given the fact that the burden of proof was his responsibility, and he blatantly avoided and failed to provide factual evidence (because he probably has none).

All he really did was passive aggressively avoid taking responsibility for his original statement by incorrectly asserting it was a matter of opinion.

This is when he acknowledged it was his sole opinion and conceded to move on:

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https://youtu.be/I_izvAbhExY?t=32s

Staying Alive haha Keeping this thread alive....

It's funny how pages ago. You let it go. And it's the only thing people can talk about. Do you want a formal apology?

[awg811]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

This game is not ready for esports.
They can't even get the rules of the game right.
Timeouts when no one has possession of the ball?
This game has a long way to go!

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[Thunderhorse]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

This is when he acknowledged it was his sole opinion and conceded to move on:

That was not an example of accountability for his unsubstantiated "opinion".

It was very clearly a failure to take responsibility for those words.

For all I care the thread can be closed. It's not the first time he's spoken out of his *** and it certainly won't be the last.

[Thunderhorse]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

This game is not ready for esports.
They can't even get the rules of the game right.
Timeouts when no one has possession of the ball?
This game has a long way to go!

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Madden is about to be aired on ESPN.

If that game can get on that platform, 2K is fine.

[hanzsomehanz]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

That was not an example of accountability for his unsubstantiated "opinion".

It was very clearly a failure to take responsibility for those words.

For all I care the thread can be closed. It's not the first time he's spoken out of his *** and it certainly won't be the last.

You can hate all you want but this ain't a courtroom: there is no oath to take and you can't force accountability.

I understand we are not empowered to spread outlandish lies and should be put in our place when we do. The mods also have the power and jurisdiction to correct this behavior with a penalty so let's leave the officiating to them.

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[Geolink]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

Different build probably is the beta they'll have us playing in September.

[HowDareI]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

I will never enjoy this eleague junk cuz it doesn't represent the game in which I love.

And I'm not talking about 2k I'm talking about basketball.

Pro am (has) the ability to be the most "sim" mode in all of 2k. Because it's 5 people all with the opportunity to run plays and schemes and control each player instead of a computer...but...

All you really see, especially when I've played top ranked teams, is 5 out offense with centers hitting 35 foot three pointers and lots of moving screens.
The guards will force you into broken ankle animations and stumbles which equals an instant open shot.
Lots of step backs that no matter how hard you try you just can't always defend.
And these big men should be sweet down low but aye just bring unstoppable doubles and run into someone's legs for a steal lol.

If I seen people running some real ball and plays and utilizing different builds as I'm sure 2k might have intended this would be cool. But I feel like too many exploits will just kill it for anyone who doesn't invest hours upon hours every day learning new tricks.

That's just me tho..unless a different build eliminates this I don't see the attraction.

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[Korrupted]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

You can hate all you want but this ain't a courtroom: there is no oath to take and you can't force accountability.

I understand we are not empowered to spread outlandish lies and should be put in our place when we do. The mods also have the power and jurisdiction to correct this behavior with a penalty so let's leave the officiating to them.

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I don't see an issue with the situation whatsoever. Jeebs was talking like a know it all and got corrected. He didn't want to admit he was in the wrong from the jump and couldn't provide any facts to back up his claim when asked several times. I don't think anybody said anything disrespectful towards one another. Argument was a little drawn out but nothing too crazy that would warrant any action lol. Maybe I'm wrong though.

I will never enjoy this eleague junk cuz it doesn't represent the game in which I love.

And I'm not talking about 2k I'm talking about basketball.

Pro am (has) the ability to be the most "sim" mode in all of 2k. Because it's 5 people all with the opportunity to run plays and schemes and control each player instead of a computer...but...

All you really see, especially when I've played top ranked teams, is 5 out offense with centers hitting 35 foot three pointers and lots of moving screens.
The guards will force you into broken ankle animations and stumbles which equals an instant open shot.
Lots of step backs that no matter how hard you try you just can't always defend.
And these big men should be sweet down low but aye just bring unstoppable doubles and run into someone's legs for a steal lol.

If I seen people running some real ball and plays and utilizing different builds as I'm sure 2k might have intended this would be cool. But I feel like too many exploits will just kill it for anyone who doesn't invest hours upon hours every day learning new tricks.

That's just me tho..unless a different build eliminates this I don't see the attraction.

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It's a monkey see monkey do community. It took 1 team to run 5 out this year and now everybody is committed to it (On the Xbox side anyway). All you seen was slashing rebounders at first now it's Stretch Rim Protectors or Stretch Rebounders on every team. I think the combine will make people switch their style of play up though. PG's may not have the 86 Ball Control to momentum cross or speed boost and that pretty much kills 5 out. Not to mention the signature style presets and stuff. It's gonna be interesting.

[hesko]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

i feel ya, but if they didn't state this, would we know by watching? i am ready to see two user controlled teams really mimic a real game tho.

[splashmountain]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

[QUOTE=Kushmir;2049198635][QUOTE=ph33;2049198461]DOTA and CS are good examples. Same game for everyone no matter the scene. When I play DOTA I can only play with people in the slums tiers, because that's my level. When I play against good players, they're going to whoop my *** because they are THAT good at the game and know the small details much better than I. But it's not because they've been playing a different version of the game. It's because they're amazing. Likewise, in CS. An ak-47 doesn't have different recoil in casual than it does competitive. And so when you watch competitive players play and what makes them good, you can try to infuse the same elements in your own game to try to improve a little at a time.

☝☝☝This all day.

Its perfectly stated...its the difference between competition at the highest level and shrinking the skill gap so the game is "fun". It why so much of gaming at the highest level is shooter-based....because they figured it out early.

I lol'd at your example of not being in the same ballpark as elite players. This is as it should be. Elite players wont play a game where they have to struggle with casuals because block timing doesn't matter or the stepback always creates separation.

Games that truly reward skill will always, always lead the way. See Rocket League, LoL, CS or even R6: Siege for details.

All of this is true in theory.

When it comes to 2k18. There are so many overpowered animations, blown layups for no reason, dropped wide open passes for no reason, ankle breaker animations for no reason, Bigmen pivoting until they slip thru your body(like a ghost), a lack of fronting the big man on defense where if you time it you can at least tip the pass. So many balls going thru your body, so many playmakers dribbling side to side while the defender is sitting on one side of their body and the ball never pops loose..it just goes thru the defenders body. a lot of slashers/playmakers have half of their body inside of the defenders body when going to the rack..which means that defender's body almost means nothing in that scenario. etc. etc etc.

There are too many obvious things wrong with 2k leave it the way it was with everyone badged up 90+ players.

You have a 2 kinds of ELITE 2k players:

1. The player who knows all of the bogus 2k animations/canned or otherwise/ glitches/exploits(certain shot releases getting more greens, certain releases going in more often with the identical same good to perfect release timing as other shots) and knows a little bit about real basketball.

^^These are the guys that are on top of the ELITE team leader boards every year. No hate. I know it sounds that way. I'm just stating the facts.

2. The player who knows some of the bogus 2k animations,etc as above. but knows a lot about real basketball and how to run offenses(Plural, not just a 5 out, not just a pick and pop, pick and roll, drive and kick.) those that know how to play multiple defenses properly(not just a zone(2-3 or 3-2, but a 1-3-1, Trapping in the corners. how to properly rotate a zone. its not what most people think just moving side to side in that area. it actually rotates like the middle is a pin and you rotate clockwise(this is how you defend the open spots in the normal 2-3 zone just an example.)

3. Players that know real basketball. but dont know anything about how to trigger the bogus 2k animations. They just know real basketball.


These 3 types of players will end up beating most casuals in a 7 game playoff series. The top 2 types will beat casuals by 20+ every time. The top#1 will destory casuals and beat #3 every single time by 20+ and will beat #2 most of the time.


Here's the question. Does #1 KNOW THE 2k better than #2 and 3? YEP. Does that make them elite at 2k? YEP. IS this nba 2k league just about being ELITE at 2k as is or is it about trying to have 2k simulate close to real life NBA basketball on a video game?

I kind of think its more of the later than the former. Thats the only thing that explains why they didnt allow for people to use their current builds or have builds with hall of fame badges and leaving the sliders as in during the Team pro am games.

Its pretty obvious if you've played in the combine. 2k's sliders are forcing you to throw the ball away or drop passes for no reason other than to simulate
a box score with more turnovers to be more realistic. to keep you from trying certain passes which should be automatic catches and or scores. this keeps the scoring down to a more realistic PPG for both teams.

Same thing with all the blown layups. This is done by design to help force a box score thats more realistic.

Anyone ever wonder why the 6 mins per quarter combine scores for both teams are either the same or lower than a regular pro am game at 5 mins per quarter? This is done on purpose.

50% of the frustration are bad teammates. the other 50% are these sliders.

Notice, most people's ankles are not getting taken in the combine. sure it happens every blue moon. Why? because in real life you're not taking people's ankles like Datboy dimez does in the video game as normally setup. Which is why I would love to see what his and other ELITE pro am guys games are looking like in that combine. Not talking about Centers. That position is OP^10000. Any casual can drop 20 and 20 at that position in most games. because thats who the pg passes it to for automatic assists and the game allows Centers more so than any other position morph thru people/or clip thru bodys inside the paint around the basket for scores. they also can rebound just on pure height alone.

But you get my point. you are correct. those guys are the ELITE 2k players. But does that look seem like the look 2k is going for in the future for this real life league? I dont think so. because after awhile. if you saw in real life. dudes dropping each other left and right with the bogus ankle breaker animation kicking in even when the defender isnt moving left or right. You as a viewer would stop watching the broadcast of the games. which means who is the advertisers going to advertise too which means if there is no Ad money, how are the players and GM's going to get paid?

It has to be entertaining to watch. and the entertainment value dies when all there is, is 100% highlights all game long. eventually those high lights are now just normal lights because they happen all the time with no legit reasoning to them outside of "lol..you know how 2k is.haa haa"

I think they want it to be real hoop more so than silly animations assisting everyone. With that said. Right now as the combine currently is setup..sliders and all. It needs a ton of work too. They went to one extreme from another extreme. now its time to bring it closer back to the middle.