Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

[splashmountain]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

i feel ya, but if they didn't state this, would we know by watching? i am ready to see two user controlled teams really mimic a real game tho.

This is where the combine wont shine but the real league will WITH COACHING.

Like every team will need a real head coach to run plays have his guys practice sets, etc. Its about to get real. the reason it has to be this way is because if you can't do all the cartoonish moves anymore. you actually have to use a basketball IQ to make sure you defeat your opponent every time. and i'm not just talking about spacing. i'm talking about how to run plays. how to set screens, how to SLIP screens(fake the screen and slide down, etc.)

but again, some of the funny animations and shaky sliders messes with your ability to play real hoop too. its a double edge sword at this moment.

i've said this to people many times and most people get it. a lot of elite guys play on hall of fame mode. I've told people time and time again. Dont play on any mode above PRO. ....dont go nuts yet.

Here's why? You start with PRO, then you tweak the sliders accordingly to get the proper game.

Hall of fame is not realistic at all. sure its harder to score. but its not for realistic reasons. The reason most of you NEED to play on hall of fame is to stop you from cheesing/abusing exploits and not playing actual basketball vs the CPU on other levels.

see what i said there^^. a lot of us use unrealistic tactics to score because we can. thats why you need that other level. You need to have freedom of movement. Where you can dunk every single time if the person isnt cutting your lane off. nothing should stop you from dunking every time outside of late game fatigue(height, vertical) and sure you should miss a few just off of timing every blue moon). Basketball in real life does not make you blow a dunk or a layup when your defender isnt a good one and he doesnt have good paint defense to help him. you will score on him every single time. it wont stop until him and his teammates do something to stop it. This is the way the game should be setup but its not.

You miss wide open shots to create the IDEA that its a realistic box score at the end. The defense in real life has to adjust to stop it. adjust doesnt mean just stand in the paint with a rim protector not actually cutting the lane offf but just standing close to the paint and knocking the offensives guys badge down to bronze and then all of a sudden he blows the layup. that aint real either.

MAKE ME MISS. Get over there and cut that drive off. Then time your hands up to make the shot harder. allow the offensive guy to adjust his shot mid air with that tight good defense on him. can he concentrate well enough to still get off a good shot? if not. its bricked. if so. it still has a good chance of going in. does that defender jump to block that shot at the right time? if so, SEND that nonsense into the 3rd row or allow him to control block it Not back to the offensive team AUTOMATICALLY like it does now. its supposed to be Risk and Reward. how on earth do they allow you to spam reach so much without foul calls. but if you cut a guy off you're likely to get called for a bogus charge. makes no sense. that aint realistic.

These are the types of things they need to cleanup and that combine setup is closer to that than the normal game which is 100% space jams, cartoon, harlem globtrotters, and 1 mixtape, ballup, etc.

[splashmountain]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

and one last thing. for those other non Point guard players that are mad that they cant have their teammates..you know the pure player makers or playmakers with that gold or hall of fame dimer badge. Lol at you thinking that this would be fair to others players who dont have friends or teammates with those same badges.

Your stick skills are not being shown when you have a hall of fame dimer guy passing to you. you do know we know this right?


I hear you yelling "Green" like you did something special when in reality that PG's hustle to get the badge is whats propping you up. now some of you are money with or without that help. but most are not. this is another reason they didnt allow people to bring their entire teams into the combine.

why do that when we already see the team pro am leader boards. they could draft from there using that logic. Let me see what you about without that crutch. cause that crutch may not be in this nba 2k league build.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

The combine plays like the day 1 version of Play Now gameplay. Made shots are less likely to be green, lay-ups and inside shots are more difficult for non-interior builds and badges are toned down.

I'd prefer it this way for main game with 3 secs being roughly 3 1/2 instead of like 5 secs and the inability to catch the ball smoothly for 0.5 secs after the screen setting animation.

[olajuwon34]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

this game might be a little weird if its run as an e-league thats based on a real sport, too many weird instances that happen that are just random and not in the players control, most competitive games are based simply on the players skill and the mechanics are absolute and straight forward to the player. I dont really like any e league stuff.

[splashmountain]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

this game might be a little weird if its run as an e-league thats based on a real sport, too many weird instances that happen that are just random and not in the players control, most competitive games are based simply on the players skill and the mechanics are absolute and straight forward to the player. I dont really like any e league stuff.

you do have a point. i keep telling people. The combine is frustrating not just due to the bad randoms. Its also due to 2k's animations for no reason at times. and I mean a lot of times. some guys snagging boards like crazy not even with a rebounding archetype and zero position/not boxing out. just running and jumping. SNAG. while you have 2 or 3 teammates boxing out like crazy. we lost one board last night where 3 of us were in the paint holding LT boxing out. we had them pushed back so far you could see the dotted charge circle line. there was no one there since we were boxing out like crazy. This dude just JUMPS morphs thru one of us and grabs the board. HOW SWAY? HOW?

You see that kind of stuff so often on 2k its crazy. They are going to have a lot of players being recorded on video during the season cursing 2k out. cause everyone does it. You drop that easy catch. you catch it and drops the pass for no reason at all "&%$^& 2k...come on 2k Do better"
You're using the sticks making a proper move in the paint supposed to be going toward the basket and your big decides to do a face away jump hook with the wrong hand and expose it to the defender thats on that side that you were never angling your stick towards..."&%$## 2k... I wasnt doing that..come ON "

When you get that breakaway and they make you blow the layup even on a perfectly timed layup release(as if you need to perfectly time a layup in real life to make one when you're by yourself)

When there's money on the line in those tournaments and wins on the line. Dudes are going to be losing their minds. I promise you this. that might be the entertaining part. watching dudes lose it live on camera and cursing out bad 2k animations while playing in a 2k league. 2k better put that in the contracts or fining players when they talk dirty about 2k while playing. hee hee

[killakrok]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

This topic was discussed a lot in this recent podcast and was really interesting throughout.

They basically discuss all of the initial questions and concerns that come along with having the 2KLeague on a different build than the one everyone else is playing.

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[Nza]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

A different build would just have different exploits, not necessarily fewer, so I don't see the point. It may have a custom difficultly setting with sliders and stuff.

I think the goal of a league like this is to be self regulated. Not too different from real sports where blatant anti sportsmanship is met with media, fan, and fellow player disapproval. The challenge with eSports is you have more opportunities and I guess a general detachment from the concept of a good sportsman. So there will be tests early on, and I suspect the quality and appeal of the league will be determined by how it and its community handle it.

[Dyslexicphish]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

The only issue I would have is if the e-league build wasn't accessible in the retail build of 2k19. What I mean by that is that I understand that the retail version has to be more accessible to non-pro or "power" users. It has to be more "cheese" for lack of a better term. I also think there's a group of sim users who want the most authentic version of sim basketball available. Maybe 2k doesn't want to alienate some by essentially saying they're playing in the kiddie pool so to speak. idk

I also don't like the fact that the e-league is being played on PC when PC users where ineligible. I understand why they made that decision because the game is full of hackers and script-kiddies. However, it's been like that for years. I just wish they would implement something because it's far to easy to hack with little to no repercussions.

It's the first year though so they should be given leeway.

[jWILL253]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

I'm certain that no other competitive scene has split the builds of the game between the competitive scene and the regular public. In fact, literally every other scene adjusts to whatever the current build is of the game along with everyone else. This is mainly for a couple of reasons:

1. It levels the playing field. Why have a different build than what everyone else is playing if the whole point of the competitive scene is to get better than everyone else playing the same game?

2. Patch costs. It isn't free to make a patch, especially if you're developing games for consoles. Running a separate build for what is, essentially, less than 1% of your player base - concurrent with a public build of the game - seems like a massive waste of money.

Of course, 2K Games clearly doesn't give a **** about the people actually playing their games, just the people who spent the most money to become the highest-rated players that get to play in this ****show league. So it totally isn't surprising to see them split their playerbase in pieces just to support tournament play.

[splashmountain]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

The only issue I would have is if the e-league build wasn't accessible in the retail build of 2k19. What I mean by that is that I understand that the retail version has to be more accessible to non-pro or "power" users. It has to be more "cheese" for lack of a better term. I also think there's a group of sim users who want the most authentic version of sim basketball available. Maybe 2k doesn't want to alienate some by essentially saying they're playing in the kiddie pool so to speak. idk

I also don't like the fact that the e-league is being played on PC when PC users where ineligible. I understand why they made that decision because the game is full of hackers and script-kiddies. However, it's been like that for years. I just wish they would implement something because it's far to easy to hack with little to no repercussions.

It's the first year though so they should be given leeway.

that bolded was Foul if you ask me. yes I was even telling cpu players the reason why they couldnt get in was due to the hackers then to find out they are playing the league on PC's. a cold hard back hand slap in the face to PC 2k players.

[splashmountain]

Re: Issues with 2K e-league being on a different build of the game?

I'm certain that no other competitive scene has split the builds of the game between the competitive scene and the regular public. In fact, literally every other scene adjusts to whatever the current build is of the game along with everyone else. This is mainly for a couple of reasons:

1. It levels the playing field. Why have a different build than what everyone else is playing if the whole point of the competitive scene is to get better than everyone else playing the same game?

2. Patch costs. It isn't free to make a patch, especially if you're developing games for consoles. Running a separate build for what is, essentially, less than 1% of your player base - concurrent with a public build of the game - seems like a massive waste of money.

Of course, 2K Games clearly doesn't give a **** about the people actually playing their games, just the people who spent the most money to become the highest-rated players that get to play in this ****show league. So it totally isn't surprising to see them split their playerbase in pieces just to support tournament play.

The reason the game is played on a different build is because its a sports game and its not any sports game. its basketball where more fluidity is expected than even football. basically, it's harder to create a basketball video game that is close to the real thing than it is any other sport. This means unlike people watching guys play in a street fighter tourney or fortnite tourney. no one is looking for true realism of martial arts or realism in the shooting for fortnite. But we are looking for realistic movement with basketball players. Basically 2k was afraid to allow the world to see people so call playing professionally with the exploit heavy normal 2k game. again, the proof is how they chose certain archetypes to not even be playable in the combine. that tells me you know those archetypes are a cheese fest. you let it ride in the regular game cause the regular game is moreso for casuals than it is for pros or sim guys.