Simnation are y'all still around?

[DJ]

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It just needs to be basketball man. Fundamentals should be pushed more than anything gameplay wise.

Getting those players to understand the game of basketball is key priority then that other stuff later. There is no reason the game shouldn't be made to punish trash cheesing tactics ala street ball vs team ball

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I agree with you, but we know if an ultra-sim game is released, the online crowd will scream and complain, leading to game tweaks and we end up in that rinse and repeat cycle.

I like that Madden is at least trying out different modes, even if they aren't yet working as intended. In theory they allow different groups of people to enjoy the game how they best see fit.

The one size fits all method doesn't work, at least from my experiences, with this younger generation.

[23]

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I agree with you, but we know if an ultra-sim game is released, the online crowd will scream and complain, leading to game tweaks and we end up in that rinse and repeat cycle.

I like that Madden is at least trying out different modes, even if they aren't yet working as intended. In theory they allow different groups of people to enjoy the game how they best see fit.

The one size fits all method doesn't work, at least from my experiences, with this younger generation.

They're gonna complain anyway.

Doesn't have to be ultra Sim just true to NBA basketball.

All this online fantasy stuff is killing the direction of greatness

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[UnbelievablyRAW]

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I agree with you, but we know if an ultra-sim game is released, the online crowd will scream and complain, leading to game tweaks and we end up in that rinse and repeat cycle.

I like that Madden is at least trying out different modes, even if they aren't yet working as intended. In theory they allow different groups of people to enjoy the game how they best see fit.

The one size fits all method doesn't work, at least from my experiences, with this younger generation.

I don't think people will actually. I think most online players play whichever way makes it easier for them to win. So when exploitative cheese is in the game, thats what people are going to do to win (because they have it used on them, because they can't win any other way etc). Forcing people to play fundamental basketball won't drive people away. They will just go on youtube and look up ways to get better (which would be non-cheese tactics in an ideal world).

[mfdoom911e]

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Not everyone who plays online is going for nba jam style .


I like player player locked games online . Working together as a team. That can be just as Sim as player 1 V1 with A.I assistance .

your a rare breed.

Funny is 2K trying to create the most sim basketball video game and yet the most popular one is the opposite.

[Walt Frazier]

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Still around, but def the least I have 'ever' been excited by 2K.


Unless it comes out with much improved / realistic NBA 'atmosphere', I'll probably pass. I can't see the gameplay changing much as they are stuck with this engine, so I would at least like the atmosphere to change / be something to get me excited to play.


Note...I don't play online at all. Likely 'sim' players are not the target audience anymore to be realistic.

[Johnnythelegend]

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It's great to see devs communicating with the people here, they should do it much more, switch the focus from twitter to some other more oriented towards "basketball first, game second" places.

[jyoung]

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I agree with this however it should be incumbent on the players in the NBA2K League & the community to understand what the exploits are and avoid using them to win at all costs...

These guys know what they're doing isn't meant to be used, they know its a flaw in the game mechanics and they choose to use it anyway. Exploiting broken game play mechanics is something rarely found in other AAA titles in the competitive scene because pro players frown upon or were restricted from using them per the tournament rules. Its more so a question of respect for your opponents and the game you're playing.

Take for example a known map bug in a FPS that allows a player to shoot through walls, all the top players know the exploit but don't use it because its considered taboo and could get them excommunicated from pro circuits.

The thing that separates the NBA2K player-base from that of other games is most of our player base actively seek out exploits and try to maximize use of them for personal gain and are celebrated for doing so.

So ultimately while I do agree with you Czar that the game does have to get better in a competitive sense, the responsibility of maintaining a sound e-sports environment isn't solely inherent on the developers alone. Developers, tournament organizers, as well as top level players must be strident and concordant in their efforts to limit use of exploits so that an atmosphere of illegitimate means to an end isn't allowed to fester and create a bad example for new players getting into the game.

Esports with thousands of dollars at stake are not gentlemen's leagues; they're cutthroat, win-at-all-costs environments, because if you don't win, then your contract probably won't be renewed next season, and you'll quickly end up back in the unemployment line.

Esports teams are naturally going to act in their own self-interest (earn more money) and self-preservation (keep their jobs), which means they're going to use the most effective in-game strategies, regardless of how silly or unappealing those tactics look to spectators. And if the league's owners, sponsors, or viewers don't like how teams are playing, then it's up to the league to improve the game to the point that the most effective in-game strategies are not cringeworthy, and will attract -- not drive away -- spectators.

The stomach-turning gameplay that we're seeing right now in this 2K18 league is what happens when a company rushes a game into becoming an esport before all of its mechanics and animations are ready to withstand that level of win-at-all-costs competition.

I feel like the 2K League has tried its best to put as much lipstick as they possibly can on the stinky, filthy pig that is 2K18's mechanics, animations, and MyPlayer system. Most of the cheesy dribble moves and ankle breakers that you'd see in a regular 2K18 Pro Am match aren't present in the league build. The most commonly used cheese ballhandling archetype (6'10" pure point forward) and cheese big man archetypes (7'3" pure stretch & 7'3" sharpshooting athletic finisher) aren't available in this league build. They've also banned the stiff arm move (hip ride animation + flick right joystick up), and the trick where you hold the set screen button to gain position in the paint, because both of those animations would only happen if the user deliberately inputted a specific button combo.

But the 2K League can't ban blowbys since they're an animation that just happens incidentally without any correlating user input. And as long as blowbys are in the game, teams are going to try to trigger them as often as possible, since they're one of the easiest ways to score in 2K18.

All the 2K League can really do at this point in the year to clean up their gameplay is ban or nerf that shot creating slasher small forward archetype, since it seems to trigger the most blowbys and contact dunks of any perimeter character class.

The true fix to blowbys that 90% of the people playing/watching this game want to see isn't going to happen until 2K19, because of how huge and complex the issue seems to have been for 2K to resolve.

[stickyfingers]

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All this online fantasy stuff is killing the direction of greatness

you're totally right.
2K cant satisfy us and online players with the same engine/physics/rules.

[duce]

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you're totally right.
2K cant satisfy us and online players with the same engine/physics/rules.

A new lobby system would be great. I imagine they could have different type of gameplay styles via different sliders for each lobby. But as long as everyone is put in same race for ranking, it will be a greatest common denominator type thing.

Seeing that recent quote from Kareem about G.O.A.T. status, maybe 2K will realize different styles can be equally recognized as the top.

[TarHeelPhenom]

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They're gonna complain anyway.

Doesn't have to be ultra Sim just true to NBA basketball.

All this online fantasy stuff is killing the direction of greatness

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Said it the moment they went the way of VC, My Park and then to see the 2k League...to mebif felt like a death nail to Sim guys. Sad!

[vannwolfhawk]

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#simnation with a big W yesterday!

[ekurlan2]

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Hopped back on scrimmage today and kept on experimenting with my Triangle and other freelances. I am still struggling mightily to unlock other actions and entries.

Does anyone know if new system that was implemented in '18 that limited freelances can be enhanced to hold more offenses?

There are a lot of sets like floppy and horns, however, I am hoping to see some DDM and Princeton.

[MR.BYGMZ]

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I'm still around. just been busy with family, work and being on the motorcycle but the winter months and 2k19 will change a lot of that.

[DC]

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#ArcadeNation

[DC]

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I think Mazique preview said something about this. It is definitely easier to go out of bounds in 19. I don't think everyone will be in favor of this change.

Also, OG worked on on-ball steals so you can't just stand there and sauce up the Ai without protecting the ball or its rip city. If we don't tune that down that will be one of the first things you notice. The AI is overall more sturdy defensively( as of the time of this writing)

I can see the babies crying Week 1 about the Out of Bounds changes.

Go head and get the patch ready