How did 2K fall so far from grace? Fan reviews are in

[xCoachDx]

Re: How did 2K fall so far from grace? Fan reviews are in

Take these with a grain of salt. You’ll see people say “I like this game but...” and give it a 0-4. It’s funny actually.

[ILLSmak]

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What you just said makes no sense at all

They just sold the most copies of any basketball game to date and just released their best game to date on their 20th anniversary edition.

They started over for 2K14 just like everybody else did and you saw like the rest of the world in awe what a new but stripped down 2K looked like.

Some of y'all internet dudes are weird how you'll go again what's in front of your eyes to make wild claims with nothing to back it up.


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I came in here to make a long post, and I'll just quote this one because it kind of fits and it's the one on the page. Hope nobody takes anything I say to heart. I also have the fear that I've literally posted everything I say before (once you write on enough forums and in general, it's hard to know what you posted where or what you thought and what you actually wrote.)


2k is selling well. Their fans are hype. They are producing a good/great game. Every year, dudes are saying "this is the best 2k ever."



However, have you see the reviews for 2k? This is some level of confirmation bias, or at least my own way of interpreting things. There are only certain companies I think give decent reviews that review it so far. IGN and Gamespot. I dunno when Forbes started reviewing games, and I don't think they do a good job.



IGN gave it an 8.5, they gave it an 8.4 last year. Gamespot did 8 last year, 7 this year. I haven't played even the prelude (the crowd jeers), but I absolutely believe 100% the game is LOADS better than last year. An 8.5 isn't really a good review for a AAA flagship level game. It's like 'very, very solid.' But that's not what you want from your game, especially after last year, while I sold so well, made so many mad.


I think 2k treats their loyal fan base like drug addicts (getting into the part that might offend some people.) They built a wall between themselves and the players, even tho you see the devs on here and on twitter and they respond. I remember posting on the 2k forums back when Ronnie was just a member, or a mod or something. I think he had a Dio avatar. Maybe I'm tweaking. A lot has changed in 10 years.


2k is saying yeah we have the best game, but you have to give us your time (grind for badges and beyond what you can buy of VC) and extra money (vc.) I would honestly feel better if they were like, y'know a lot of work goes into our games and we are the best game on the market, so we're gonna charge 75 dollars instead of 60. Then leave it at that. I'd probably buy it. But what they are doing is definitely predatory. People are slow to change. They are used to 2k. The think 'other games' are some kind of hot garbage mess that they probably wouldn't even play if they got them for free.



That's why 2k is on the decline. The engine issue is true, too. They need to fix some parts of their game at some point, and it's gonna require steps back to do so. I wish they would let who reached a certain record online apply to be beta testers and they could let them beta test 2k on test servers for 2 months and get paid in vc. I mean, there are a bunch of creative ways that 2k can handle their problems, but they are just being more cutthroat.



When people put hundreds of hours into a build and 60 bucks, and it turns out the game is imbalanced, what does 2k do? If they adjust the game, they have the potential to have robbed all of these people of their time and money. That's why people are so mad. You shouldn't have to pay your dues to play 2k. That's the last thing you want. If you wanna charge more for the retail version, do it. If you wanna have VC and a normal progression system, do it. If you wanna have badges, don't make them into some colossal grind. I mean, you want people playing your games. All of this stuff is making people more angry. They are buying the games because they are kind of addicted, but in the same way, when things don't go their way, they rage out. So, I predict that either 2k has to change their ways or they are gonna really falter.



You can't play people like 2k is playing them for that long. No matter how many people on here wanna come and say "You don't have to buy VC", "I don't want a game where I'm a 99 the first day", "Franchise is da bess." Etc.


And we can all agree all of deducted points from the review scores are to do with micros and grind only, so, there you go. If 2k wants to stay in 8.5 critic land, 2.5 user score land, and sell 10 million copies, let them, but that's pretty cocky and I don't think it's going to last.



-Smak

[swac07]

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What you just said makes no sense at all

They just sold the most copies of any basketball game to date and just released their best game to date on their 20th anniversary edition.

They started over for 2K14 just like everybody else did and you saw like the rest of the world in awe what a new but stripped down 2K looked like.

Some of y'all internet dudes are weird how you'll go again what's in front of your eyes to make wild claims with nothing to back it up.


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All of this!

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[Goffs]

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Take these with a grain of salt. You’ll see people say “I like this game but...” and give it a 0-4. It’s funny actually.

Yeah I've been saying this for years. You will also notice that they only post in these types of threads and no where else.

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This man said did you see the IGN reviews

The same IGN that had writers stealing people's content and posting it as their own?


You're referencing the ones who didn't talk about the additions improvements, new level of defensive improvemnts and went on about VC and crap?

Some casuals who don't know it play NBA basketball? You do see they didn't mention any of that stuff right?

Some people aren't even strong enough to have their own opinions.. bringing up IGN is even worse

Ign is the same company that almost killed 2k telling them to take out all the plays and only leave 4 quick plays in the game... Handily advising them to make the worse game they ever made in the series


It's comical and sad at the same time.

I'm not one to hold my tongue on something I don't like but some of y'all are sitting back waiting on the blue hippo that's not coming through the front door.

Go ahead and play live like you've been doing..where IGN whoops on Street ball and give them a pass for their generic NBA effort.

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[coolcras7]

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It's typical for people to hate anything at the top, 2k is no longer the underdog so people are going to want to bring them down, and you can hear the VC complaint in every review and focus on reducing the overall rating for the game because of it, there is no mention that you don't have to buy it or that 2k gives it to you for free in every game mode, it always they are forcing you to.

[triplechin]

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It's typical for people to hate anything at the top, 2k is no longer the underdog so people are going to want to bring them down, and you can hear the VC complaint in every review and focus on reducing the overall rating for the game because of it, there is no mention that you don't have to buy it or that 2k gives it to you for free in every game mode, it always they are forcing you to.

This is stupid. 2K is probably the best sports sim game but there's no doubt there are HUGE VC issues.

They also obviously made the grind miserable so people want to buy VC. 2k18 was incredibly terrible in this aspect so they lost a lot of their good will.

Obviously user scores are going to be low when MyCareer/Park/ProAM is the most mode played mode by far and that is the mode that the devs are abusing the players and making it miserable. Sure people could play other modes but clearly they dont want to including me. All I want to do is play ProAM with friends. 2K makes it difficult for me to enjoy that and puts all these unnecessary barriers. So yeah the gameplay may be a 8, 9, or 10 out of 10 but those barriers are preventing me from enjoying it. And people should keep complaining about it so that the message gets out there and hopefully the devs keep improving that experience like they did going from the joke that was 2k18 to 2k19. But we need more.

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This is stupid. 2K is probably the best sports sim game but there's no doubt there are HUGE VC issues.

They also obviously made the grind miserable so people want to buy VC. 2k18 was incredibly terrible in this aspect so they lost a lot of their good will.

Obviously user scores are going to be low when MyCareer/Park/ProAM is the most mode played mode by far and that is the mode that the devs are abusing the players and making it miserable. Sure people could play other modes but clearly they dont want to including me. All I want to do is play ProAM with friends. 2K makes it difficult for me to enjoy that and puts all these unnecessary barriers. So yeah the gameplay may be a 8, 9, or 10 out of 10 but those barriers are preventing me from enjoying it. And people should keep complaining about it so that the message gets out there and hopefully the devs keep improving that experience like they did going from the joke that was 2k18 to 2k19. But we need more.

It should be evaluated on an NBA game first and foremost not on VC.

If that's the case they need to stop kissing the booty of other games like COD Battlefield and all other games with micro transaction for free copies and early access.

Just like you some of us don't even use VC and don't give a crap and have been around much longer.

Let's stop being over emotional and using terms like falling from grace and declining when it's further from the truth than ever.

Just like all the kids who claimed they would rather play fortnite......where are they right now?

Just Stop lying dawg...

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[triplechin]

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It should be evaluated on an NBA game first and foremost not on VC.

If that's the case they need to stop kissing the booty of other games like COD Battlefield and all other games with micro transaction for free copies and early access.

Just like you some of us don't even use VC and don't give a crap and have been around much longer.

Let's stop being over emotional and using terms like falling from grace and declining when it's further from the truth than ever.

Just like all the kids who claimed they would rather play fortnite......where are they right now?

Just Stop lying dawg...

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I don't play COD or Battlefield or anything so I can't say anything about that. I play FIFA Pro Clubs and it is a lot more player friendly though.

What if you needed to play 100 games on rookie or pay an extra $50 before you could use sliders and upgrade the difficulty on MyLeague? Wouldn't that be annoying?

Like I said 2K has pretty good or great gameplay but I gotta waste so much time to be one build at one position and so do all my friends. Boring AF. Now if that is the experience of like X% that mainly play Park/ProAM then obviously the user reviews are going to be low, as they should be.

If 2K had the same ProAM system as FIFA I'd probably be giving this a solid 8, 9, or 10 out 10 even, but the time I have to waste to get to the fun part is a problem.

[basehead617]

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I wonder if the whole VC thing would go over better if:

1) they time gated the OVR so first week you can only buy to 65, next week 70, next week 75 etc. That would make people feel less left behind on the first few days and they would probably still sell the same VC

2) The grind to 99 should have a catch-up mechanic. If you buy the game in January for $30 you shouldn’t have the same curve to improve that someone who preordered did. WoW has stuff like this and it’s universally thought of in a positive light. If you join an expansion late, things are very sped up. i can’t imagine how discouraged some people might be to start playing a 2K character 4-5 months after release.

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I don't play COD or Battlefield or anything so I can't say anything about that. I play FIFA Pro Clubs and it is a lot more player friendly though.

What if you needed to play 100 games on rookie or pay an extra $50 before you could use sliders and upgrade the difficulty on MyLeague? Wouldn't that be annoying?

Like I said 2K has pretty good or great gameplay but I gotta waste so much time to be one build at one position and so do all my friends. Boring AF. Now if that is the experience of like X% that mainly play Park/ProAM then obviously the user reviews are going to be low, as they should be.

If 2K had the same ProAM system as FIFA I'd probably be giving this a solid 8, 9, or 10 out 10 even, but the time I have to waste to get to the fun part is a problem.

NBA2K has the best gameplay and you cannot dispute that no matter how bias you are.

That's the problem. You cant pick out one company and say they're the bane of existence while giving others a pass for what they don't give you or fail at.

Secondly, most of the people making these kinds of comments dont play other games in the first place.

Sure they can improve pro am and many other things, but the world is not going to be given to you in 8 month cycles and thats just how it is.

I dont even care about ign reviews nor do i care to read them when ive had the game by that time to make my own decision in the first place

Its NBA2K first and foremost, not Pro AM 2K or NBAVC

One thing they should never do is lose sight of their core, because if they do they'll fall victim to casuals who will kill the game just like IGN almost did, and these fake fortnite players tried to do.

NBA Live lost their core and never recovered, and just when you thought they were gaining ground, they actually lost more..

The NBA experience has and will always be the meat and potatoes of the game, no matter how much they spend on hyping up the casual crowds pre release

Online players in almost all games complain and never stop no matter what.

[swac07]

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This man said did you see the IGN reviews

The same IGN that had writers stealing people's content and posting it as their own?


You're referencing the ones who didn't talk about the additions improvements, new level of defensive improvemnts and went on about VC and crap?

Some casuals who don't know it play NBA basketball? You do see they didn't mention any of that stuff right?

Some people aren't even strong enough to have their own opinions.. bringing up IGN is even worse

Ign is the same company that almost killed 2k telling them to take out all the plays and only leave 4 quick plays in the game... Handily advising them to make the worse game they ever made in the series


It's comical and sad at the same time.

I'm not one to hold my tongue on something I don't like but some of y'all are sitting back waiting on the blue hippo that's not coming through the front door.

Go ahead and play live like you've been doing..where IGN whoops on Street ball and give them a pass for their generic NBA effort.

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[triplechin]

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That's the problem. You cant pick out one company and say theyre the bane of existence.

Secondly, most of the people making these kinds of comments dont play other games in the first place.

Sure they can improve pro am and many other things, but the world is not going to be given to you in 8 month cycles and thats just how it is.

I dont even care about ign reviews nor do i care to read them when ive had the game by that time to make my own decision in the first place

Its NBA2K first and foremost, not Pro AM 2K or NBAVC

One thing they should never do is lose sight of their core, because if they do they'll fall victim to casuals who will kill the game just like IGN almost did, and these fake fortnite players tried to do.

NBA Live lost their core and never recovered, and just when you thought they were gaining ground, they actually lost more..

The NBA experience has and will always be the meat and potatoes of the game, no matter how much they spend on hyping up the casual crowds pre release

Online players in almost all games complain and never stop no matter what.

The problems holding park/proam back aren't some massive time thing it is just simple greed versus quality experience. If you could start out with a better player and grind faster or just switch your position it would be 100x more fun. But the VC is a huge problem.

Sure, people could do reviews like MyLeague 9/10 PNO 8/10 MyCareer 2/10 etc. but when a huge amount of players play MyCareer what's the difference? The gameplay has not fallen from grace but the experience has for many people playing the most popular game mode.

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The problems holding park/proam back aren't some massive time thing it is just simple greed versus quality experience. If you could start out with a better player and grind faster or just switch your position it would be 100x more fun. But the VC is a huge problem.

Sure, people could do reviews like MyLeague 9/10 PNO 8/10 MyCareer 2/10 etc. but when a huge amount of players play MyCareer what's the difference? The gameplay has not fallen from grace but the experience has for many people playing the most popular game mode.

Listen man, im tired of yall coming to the forums and twitter and crying like 5 year olds


Just STOP BUYING VC and STOP BUYING THE GAME


Until yall do that im going to take what yall say as not being serious.

Posting junk about metacritic user reviews is one of the most laughable things this year right behind fraud youtubers abandoning the game only to find out they sold record numbers, then they were back again at first chance like a thirsty female at a millionaires ball.

What would i do if i didnt like it?

Wait til it dropped to the price i thought was acceptable

Don't buy it

Give my input to the devs and not buy

Buy the competitions effort


...but Yall aint doing any of that so its just a bunch of useless ranting about nothing.

[ph33]

How did 2K fall so far from grace? Fan reviews are in

You know what's equally weird? People who shill so hard for a game like it's their firstborn child.

I am truly embarrassed for how much energy you put to stan for 2k. You really sound like a burner account. I hope the check they're giving you is nice.