Angryjoe's 2k take.

[ksuttonjr76]

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I'll take anything I can get to have 2k called out on their BS. MyCareer modes in 18 and 19 sucked because of how much VC they tried to suck out of you, they clearly made the game intentionally worse so that people would spend extra. I dont care too much what side of the argument you fall on these slot machines but I just want 2k to get more bad press, they clearly design these mechanics to get people to spend money not for them to have fun. If we kept building from 2k16, 2k could have been in an amazing place, but instead they went way further down the VC path and the game became a lot more unenjoyable (as a ProAM/Park player).

I hate to be that guy, but their sales numbers have been increasing over the past 3-5 years. All this "bad press" does is bring more attention to the game. As a result, you got even more casual basketball fans who normally wouldn't buy the game giving it a thought as to what the big deal is.

[triplechin]

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I hate to be that guy, but their sales numbers have been increasing over the past 3-5 years. All this "bad press" does is bring more attention to the game. As a result, you got even more casual basketball fans who normally wouldn't buy the game giving it a thought as to what the big deal is.

We need real bad press like fans did with Star Wars BF2. Is it likely? No. But still, I gotta hold out hope. I know 2k can make a hell of a game which is why it is even more frustrating that it gets ruined by the VC crap.

[dubcity]

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“Simulated gambling?” What is “simulated gambling?” Either something is gambling or it isn’t. This is peak fake outrage if I’ve ever seen it. It’s like calling root beer “simulated beer” and slapping an age restriction on it because it looks too similar to the actual thing.

If you want to go after MyTeam packs as a form of loot crates, go ahead. That’s the line, though. Absolutely nothing else in the game can be construed as a “gambling” mechanic, even in the MyTeam mode itself.

It's in the actual language of ESRB's rating explaination lol. Take it up with them.

You have a game that lets you spend real money on virtual currency. And now you have a slot machine mechanic in that same mode.

[ksuttonjr76]

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We need real bad press like fans did with Star Wars BF2. Is it likely? No. But still, I gotta hold out hope. I know 2k can make a hell of a game which is why it is even more frustrating that it gets ruined by the VC crap.

Hate to say it...the number of people who accept VC/microtransactions as the way life versus the number of people who wish that it was abolished is too large of a gap. At this point, it will take an act of Congress to force change, and then it will have to be proven that VC/microtransactions is inherently detrimental to society at large.

Second option would be a class action lawsuit against Take Two who owns the juggernaut GTA which is riddled with virtual currency and microtransaction...

The slot machines would be a red herring, since there's no direct correlation of "pay money to pull handle" involved.

[The 24th Letter]

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Ugh at this "Rated E", "Think of the children" rhetoric..

Like Sonic 2's Casino Night corrupted us all growing up, lol

[Kstat]

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It's in the actual language of ESRB's rating explaination lol. Take it up with them.

You have a game that lets you spend real money on virtual currency. And now you have a slot machine mechanic in that same mode.

...except you can’t spend your purchased currency on that game, so you have no argument. Apparently the ESRB agrees, since they rated the game E.

Supermarkets sell food to minors. And now there is beer sold in those same supermarkets. Supermarkets are hazardous to minors.

[dubcity]

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...except you can’t spend your purchased currency on that game, so you have no argument. Apparently the ESRB agrees, since they rated the game E.

Supermarkets sell food to minors. And now there is beer sold in those same supermarkets. Supermarkets are hazardous to minors.

ESRB are idiots. That's been known forever. Them not paying attention to something is hardly surprising.

Having a slot machine mechanic using MT to try to win things is for sure simulated gambling, whether you believe it's harmful to kids (or anyone) or not.

My main point was that a lot of people just don't care. 2K doesn't care because they think they are bullet proof on this. Otherwise they wouldn't be doubling down and trolling people with an actual slot machine.

[Kstat]

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ESRB are idiots. That's been known forever. Them not paying attention to something is hardly surprising.

Having a slot machine mechanic using MT currency to try to win things is for sure simulated gambling, whether you believe it's harmful to kids (or anyone) or not.

My main point was that a lot of people just don't care. 2K doesn't care because they think they are bullet proof on this.

MT cannot be purchased with real money. Invalid comparison. Simulated gambling is not in fact a real thing. I can’t even say it without laughing my *** off. Moral panic.

Clearly, 2K doesn’t think they’re bulletproof because they’ve been extremely careful to keep their VC currency away from these minigames. The fact is if you put in the time, the game gives away so much VC that you would have to be the worst player on earth to need to purchase it for anything other than MyTeam packs. I literally bought 8 super sized boxes of cards last month because I didn’t know what else to spend my mountain of surplus VC on. And I don’t even play MyTeam. I couldn’t even auction off all of my diamond cards because I hadn’t played any games in the mode.

[ksuttonjr76]

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ESRB are idiots. That's been known forever. Them not paying attention to something is hardly surprising.

Having a slot machine mechanic using currency of any kind to try to win things is for sure simulated gambling, whether you believe it's harmful to kids (or anyone) or not.

My main point was that a lot of people just don't care. 2K doesn't care because they think they are bullet proof on this. Otherwise they wouldn't be doubling down and trolling people with an actual slot machine.

Christ...unless the information is incorrect, you don't use any currency to use the slot machine. You play a game THEN you get a chance to win free sh*t via the slot machine. The mobile app is setup in the same exact manner.

[Hustle Westbrook]

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I mean even if the game was rated T ya'll would still be mad lol.

GTA V is rated M and had a literal casino and people still used the "What about the kids!!!" argument...

...in a game where you can steal cars and shoot and kill people lol.

[dubcity]

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Christ...unless the information is incorrect, you don't use any currency to use the slot machine. You play a game THEN you get a chance to win free sh*t via the slot machine. The mobile app is setup in the same exact manner.

Then what are these "tokens"? Honestly, when I look at the image of the slot machine I see MT, tokens, etc, so I am curious.

I get that people don't give a damn one way or the other about "simulated gambling," gambling mechanics, or whatever. That's cool. But it's an actual thing that exists.

[Kid OS]

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Ugh at this "Rated E", "Think of the children" rhetoric..

Like Sonic 2's Casino Night corrupted us all growing up, lol

The difference is that this generation can actually gamble in video games. This isn't a "think if the children" issue; it's a moral and psychological issue. These publishers and content creators are making gambling seem normal and expected in video games. Kids and adults alike are being primed for the normalization of gambling, and I don't see how people can ignore it. In what world is a slot machine and a roulette wheel considered "surprise mechanics"? It's really sad how people can see these things in an E rated BASKETBALL GAME and think it's perfectly fine. The grooming process is working and will only result in more addicted individuals and depressed souls.

[Kstat]

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The difference is that this generation can actually gamble in video games. This isn't a "think if the children" issue; it's a moral and psychological issue. These publishers and content creators are making gambling seem normal and expected in video games. Kids and adults alike are being primed for the normalization of gambling, and I don't see how people can ignore it. In what world is a slot machine and a roulette wheel considered "surprise mechanics"? It's really sad how people can see these things in an E rated BASKETBALL GAME and think it's perfectly fine. The grooming process is working and will only result in more addicted individuals and depressed souls.

“This isn’t a think of the children issue.”

“It’s a grooming process! Think of the children!”

...you realize people gamble on actual NBA basketball, right? That’s a thing that happens. And they do it with real money. The NBA allows it, profits off of it, and the nba also promotes itself heavily to kids.

If you were in any way serious about your hysteria, you’d boycott the NBA altogether. Not just 2K, but the entire league and all of its products. But since you’re here right now, I’m guessing that’s not going to happen.

“Depressed souls.” I don’t even have a comment here. That’s just a thing you said.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Then what are these "tokens"? Honestly, when I look at the image of the slot machine I see MT, tokens, etc, so I am curious.

I get that people don't give a damn one way or the other about "simulated gambling," gambling mechanics, or whatever. That's cool. But it's an actual thing that exists.

The tokens are another form of currency within the mode. VC is used to buy packs. MT points to used for the auction house and contracts. The tokens were used to buy certain cards directly.

[ksuttonjr76]

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The difference is that this generation can actually gamble in video games. This isn't a "think if the children" issue; it's a moral and psychological issue. These publishers and content creators are making gambling seem normal and expected in video games. Kids and adults alike are being primed for the normalization of gambling, and I don't see how people can ignore it. In what world is a slot machine and a roulette wheel considered "surprise mechanics"? It's really sad how people can see these things in an E rated BASKETBALL GAME and think it's perfectly fine. The grooming process is working and will only result in more addicted individuals and depressed souls.

Have you even used a real slot machine yourself????