Angryjoe's 2k take.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Except his point is absolutely irrelevant. The only time you see those types of things in a video game are on games rated Mature and warn people before hand it has these themes in it. Those games hardly need regulated because they're not trying to bleed the consumer dry with micros in several modes, including a offline focused mode, they're honest about what the game has and has a rating truly reflecting this.

The issue is 2k needs to be regulated because it's rating is E for Everyone meaning a kid as young as 7 years old can get his or her hand on nba2k and see these "UI" designs that are taken from casinos and thrown in to give the illusion of gambling and the psychological effect of addiction.

Why this is still a debate to be disagreed with after 30+ pages i have no idea, that example is as bad as the sonic and mario ones with black jack or casino night for (S2/S3).

The reason that people on OS disagree is because they are individuals who aren't susceptible to 2K's shady business practices, and therefore, they believe no one else should be either. The reason that people outside of OS disagree is because they are either hooked or complacent/happy.

It's no different from the cigarette issue back in the days. "My grandpappy smoked 6 packs a day and lived to be 89!" "Show me proof that 2nd hand smoke is legit!" "I don't care if any other kids smoke because my son is smart enough not to." "This aint right! I'm a tobaccah grower! I need them kids to smoke so that my kids can eat!"

you get the gist.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Lol. Sorry, this is funny to me. I don't play MyTeam or any of those modes ,so it doesn't concern me. No one is putting a gun to your head to buy packs or whatever is going on. I get both sides of the coin, but I am happy there's conversation.

P.S. Borderlands has slot machines, ban it!!!! It's gambling! Stop using fake money you earned in the game for fake weapons! It's unethical!

Guess what the rating is for Borderlands 3. I'll give you a hint. M

[StealthBlade98]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

While we're on this topic... Can I just point out that there are plenty of free-to-play modes available that are used by a miniscule percentage of the community? Everyone is flocking to the modes where you can use money and are using money to get ahead of the competition, when they could easily enjoy and play the game without anything more than the regular $60 price of admission. No one is forcing the community to play these other modes and yet they flock to them... No wonder 2k spends tons of time and resources on them.

Why play modes that aren't the modes that may have gotten us into the game to begin with. I don't need to remind you that nba 2k14 was the last game if I recall that had a pretty good MyCareer experience without VC being added in or a Daily "Roulette" Wheel. This suggestion is just moving the goalposts cause it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

This is why some "higher ups" are beginning to take matters into their own hands. The article reads as if the PEGI and ESRB folks haven't seen the game in action in order to rate it before it's release. Seems like they're going off of the trailer just like everyone else. There was also no mention of the actual gambling in the game that has been found in the Ante Up mode.

Nah they clearly did seen the game Take-Two's CEO is on the ESRB Board, he's among the people who has influence on what to rate games and why he's able to get NBA2k to Skate passed scrutiny. This is also why as you brought up that government officials are now noticing some shady stuff and are sniffing it out and passing laws to stop this nonsense(Belgium for example).

P.S. Borderlands has slot machines, ban it!!!! It's gambling! Stop using fake money you earned in the game for fake weapons! It's unethical!

Last time I checked, Borderlands is Rated M for Mature due to it's extreme Violence, and Language at times. So how that's even a legit argument to be used in this situation i have no idea.

[mb625]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Why play modes that aren't the modes that may have gotten us into the game to begin with. I don't need to remind you that nba 2k14 was the last game if I recall that had a pretty good MyCareer experience without VC being added in or a Daily "Roulette" Wheel. This suggestion is just moving the goalposts cause it has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

There's a solid, free to play alternative to MyCareer/Pro-Am. It's All-Star Team Up/PNO Player Control as it was called this year. We'd love more regular players in that community. Come on over.

2k13 was the last time I actually played MyCareer. Never really got super into it on next gen. Did enough to build up my players on 16 and 17 especially, but 18 and 19, I really didn't. It's so much better on the PNO/MLO side... for real.

Besides, one can very easily play and compete in the MyPlayer modes by going no money spent. I'm not sure it's really "moving the goalposts" so much as it is reminding people that there are, indeed, other options. If MyCareer and MyTeam were literally the only modes in the game, y'all would have a point, but it feels like y'all are chasing your tails here.

[StealthBlade98]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

There's a solid, free to play alternative to MyCareer/Pro-Am. It's All-Star Team Up/PNO Player Control as it was called this year. We'd love more regular players in that community. Come on over

Neither of which are MyCareer, with a storyline with your selected character locked to his position, with events. Sure the storylines usually are cheesy or very bad(16) but those modes don't replace the experience of MyCareer nor does it change the fact that 2k has been super aggressive with the micro's, "UI" designs that border the line of gambling and gives a psychological effect that equals on addiction and worse dependency. This is what we're talking about tho. You said you haven't played MyCareer since 2k13 so i'm not sure whether the side discussion we're having would be relevant to you.

[mb625]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Neither of which are MyCareer, with a storyline with your selected character locked to his position, with events. Sure the storylines usually are cheesy or very bad(16) but those modes don't replace the experience of MyCareer nor does it change the fact that 2k has been super aggressive with the micro's, "UI" designs that border the line of gambling and gives a psychological effect that equals on addiction and worse dependency. This is what we're talking about tho. You said you haven't played MyCareer since 2k13 so i'm not sure whether the side discussion we're having would be relevant to you.

I did play some in 17 to grind the Grand Badges back then, but that's about it. I'm simply saying that if you want to control one player in a 5v5 setting (as most in that MP community do) there is a cost-free option to scratch that itch. Further still for the guys who just want to play MyCareer, you can easily player lock in MyLeague and have total control over your ratings and progression with no cost attached. In addition, MP itself can be cost free if you are patient and put the time in.

I think the point is that no one is forcing the player to pay the extra.

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[ILLSmak]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Gamers are soft these days man lol

He a 90. I’m a 75. I’m gonna lose lol

U win some. U lose some.

I locked up 99 rated players being a 85, but I also got served by 99 rated players. Hell even some players rated lower dropped me off. Man up or pick one of the thousands of other games to play

yea I mean, I didn't run w/ a lot of OS people, but I was all set approaching 75. I'm sure someone on here can vouch for me haha. I think my character got better as it leveled, but I mainly wanted to get out of the 'having to be extra careful just to do simple basketball plays.' 85 is an insanely high rating. I would move on to a new character by then haha.


I also have the unfounded theory that the game might punish people in gameplay who didn't pay for VC. Still, yea, you can give dudes the biz with a character that's not so bad it's fumbling over itself. As long as you can grab a rebound after you boxed out, make a pass, make a shot, make a lay up, you're all set (at least the way I play), but that doesn't mean the system isn't weird.


I remember beating plenty of high rated people, even as a sub 70. I've got all the rage messages after games. I remember beating people in park who were the 'top player' or whatever. Those memories are cool, and kind of add to you feeling like it's you vs the world (and thus driving you), but the truth is that all things being even somewhat close to equal... like 65-35, they're probably gonna win. You have to be thoroughly better than them, smarter than them, and maybe they'll still get a few lucky shots or you'll miss a few shots you probably should have made.


Not to mention, better make a big or a defender cuz nobody is gonna pass you the ball. You gotta really enjoy the intangibles.



All that 'man up' is kinda ????.


-Smak

[franzis]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Besides, one can very easily play and compete in the MyPlayer modes by going no money spent. I'm not sure it's really "moving the goalposts" so much as it is reminding people that there are, indeed, other options. If MyCareer and MyTeam were literally the only modes in the game, y'all would have a point, but it feels like y'all are chasing your tails here.

But you have to stay vigilant cause they already tried to have only VC based modes (MyPlayer, MyGM and MyTeam) back in 2k14 for next gen.

Obviusly I refused to buy the game, only case since (iirc) 2k9.

So it's not just paranoia given 2k past behaviour and current tendencies.

[triplechin]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Ummmmm...do they have a create-your-charcter feature? Your analogy would be more closely related if you play with the actual NBA teams.

FIFA pro clubs lets you make your player and the grind is 100000000000000000x better than 2k's. Then again, we have a simple menu and decent matchmaking so FIFA isnt trying to waste my time and shove ads in my face, make me go to a stupid gym, sell me boosts, and all that BS.

[triplechin]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

...and here we come to the actual reason for the fake outrage. Entitlement. “I want a maxed out player in an online mode from the beginning without any cost or effort. Because, I’m better than everyone else. I have a life, which is totally unique to me and nobody else.”

At least this one is honest.

No one cares about your “life,” dude. The game would suck if everyone has max attributes right away and The neighborhoods would be empty by Halloween. If you don’t want to work at it, don’t play MyPlayer, or just don’t buy 2K. There absolutely is an aspect of grinding which makes you appreciate what you have. Maybe 2K could tone is down a notch, but that’s still a reward for investing time into the mode. Take that away and it gets taken for granted.

Lmao at entitlement. Also if you think the game would be dead without grinding idk what to even tell you

Some of the most played games like DOTA, fortnite, rocket league, overwatch, etc. Have no/minimal leveling up, you just enjoy the game. Doesn't the 2k league have preset builds (not sure, or was it the combine?)? If 2k has good gameplay no one is gonna care about the grind. Obviously from 2k's side they put the miserable grind in so that people spend cash, but from a player side, no way is the grind necessary.

[StealthBlade98]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

I did play some in 17 to grind the Grand Badges back then, but that's about it. I'm simply saying that if you want to control one player in a 5v5 setting (as most in that MP community do) there is a cost-free option to scratch that itch. Further still for the guys who just want to play MyCareer, you can easily player lock in MyLeague and have total control over your ratings and progression with no cost attached. In addition, MP itself can be cost free if you are patient and put the time in.

I think the point is that no one is forcing the player to pay the extra.

But that isn't the point, we're not discussing that. I'm indifferent to the whole VC thing, I totally get why it's there why people would spend money on it with a full time job and family to take care of but I also don't think it should be in the game at all but i'm not going to complain about it really. I will complain about UI Designs and Features that resemble gambling, whether or not real money is involved, because I know it's not supposed to be in a basketball game rated E for Everyone. I don't appreciate the excuses people are making for 2k here when it comes to this specific case.

However the real issue on this discussion is MyCareer is a whole different animal to the modes you're talking about, it's not the same 5v5 experience even if you locked to your position with a CAP or a NBA player in MyLeague.
The whole point of mycareer is not Park, Pro-Am and Rec, It's the offline MyCareer experience with the prelude, the story, the events that trigger, getting to the Draft playing for the NBA team that drafted you or requesting a trade to another team and living YOUR DREAM!!!

The online modes are only thrown in with the neighborhood, as well as the stores, in an attempt to suck players out of money. Like I said before you're NOT a MyCareer player Like I am and others who simply dedicate 6-12 months on MyCareer offline experience you wouldn't understand why we feel the way we do about the mode, the mode is special and unique and it's one of the BIGGEST things that draws people in to nba 2k over Live's NBA game. If NBA2k didn't have the MyCareer Mode, I'd be playing NBA live right now.

2k knows this and they try to add so many things and do so many things to skate a fine line of what's acceptable or not because they know there's 0 alternative to NBA2k, LIVE is a decent simulator but it's not a good basketball game and sadly there might not be NBA LIVE 20 this year too so we're really left with 1 game this time around.

[mb625]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

But that isn't the point, we're not discussing that. I'm indifferent to the whole VC thing, I totally get why it's there why people would spend money on it with a full time job and family to take care of but I also don't think it should be in the game at all but i'm not going to complain about it really. I will complain about UI Designs and Features that resemble gambling, whether or not real money is involved, because I know it's not supposed to be in a basketball game rated E for Everyone. I don't appreciate the excuses people are making for 2k here when it comes to this specific case.



However the real issue on this discussion is MyCareer is a whole different animal to the modes you're talking about, it's not the same 5v5 experience even if you locked to your position with a CAP or a NBA player in MyLeague.

The whole point of mycareer is not Park, Pro-Am and Rec, It's the offline MyCareer experience with the prelude, the story, the events that trigger, getting to the Draft playing for the NBA team that drafted you or requesting a trade to another team and living YOUR DREAM!!!



The online modes are only thrown in with the neighborhood, as well as the stores, in an attempt to suck players out of money. Like I said before you're NOT a MyCareer player Like I am and others who simply dedicate 6-12 months on MyCareer offline experience you wouldn't understand why we feel the way we do about the mode, the mode is special and unique and it's one of the BIGGEST things that draws people in to nba 2k over Live's NBA game. If NBA2k didn't have the MyCareer Mode, I'd be playing NBA live right now.



2k knows this and they try to add so many things and do so many things to skate a fine line of what's acceptable or not because they know there's 0 alternative to NBA2k, LIVE is a decent simulator but it's not a good basketball game and sadly there might not be NBA LIVE 20 this year too so we're really left with 1 game this time around.

I'll disagree on one spot here: I may not play MC much, if at all, but I do love that career experience, so I play Player Lock My League with CAPs all the time. For me, the stories are contrived and I'd rather progress in the way I see fit, not rising from 60 overall nobody to 90 overall superstar over the course of less than a season. I enjoy the "player experience," but I don't enjoy a mode telling me what that experience is supposed to look like, so I farm it out to MyLeague.

Now I will say, this year it looks like something I can get behind even with the contrived story, playing your way higher on team's draft boards without the same brand of silliness that came from the narrative the past few years, so I will likely try to play it and improve as organically as possible, but we'll see. I'll likely be on PNO and MLO far more.

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[StealthBlade98]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

I'll disagree on one spot here: I may not play MC much, if at all, but I do love that career experience, so I play Player Lock My League with CAPs all the time. For me, the stories are contrived and I'd rather progress in the way I see fit, not rising from 60 overall nobody to 90 overall superstar over the course of less than a season. I enjoy the "player experience," but I don't enjoy a mode telling me what that experience is supposed to look like, so I farm it out to MyLeague.

So in other words, you don't care for the MyCareer experience. So why are you telling people who do, what to do? Your opinions on this matter don't carry much weight when you admit you don't CARE for the MyCareer experience, you want a 5v5 position locked experience with CAP on myleague where as what players like US want is the mycareer experience with the storyline, the events, the draft and living the dream(virtually).

Like I said before you can't relate to people like us because you don't play the mode as much as we do, we put 6/12 months into the game yearly while you don't. You find the story contrived and don't like how the experience is with progress. But alot of us do, this is why telling us to play myleague with a CAP is a horrible suggestion as it's directing us to a mode we don't want to play as it's not MC.

Now I will say, this year it looks like something I can get behind even with the contrived story, playing your way higher on team's draft boards without the same brand of silliness that came from the narrative the past few years, so I will likely try to play it and improve as organically as possible, but we'll see. I'll likely be on PNO and MLO far more.

It's still going to have the silliness as 2k doesn't even know how to make a good storyline for these games, i'd much rather the storyline be more similar to an RPG where we have 4-5 different dialog options with all of them leading to different results similar to how Fallout does this, and i'd much rather they remove voice acting and put mute characters(outside of NBA pros) in the game to make the experience vastly deeper.

That was 19's problem, all options lead to the same thing it felt too scripted and forced into 1 direction. in 16 it was better but still the same. 14 was the last game iirc that didn't have much voice acting for the dialog and it was amazing.

But with this being said MC offers something no other mode does, and it's not about the Park / Pro-Am / Rec either.