Angryjoe's 2k take.

[loveinanelevator]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

There's a valid question as to how far is too far and what is too much with regards to microtransactions. The market will figure that out as it always does.

I was around in 1983. I recall just how well the market sorted out the Video Game industry. Sorted it out so well it crashed. Could list a few hundred other times the market did a swell job sorting things out but I hope you get the gist of why that is terrible logic.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

I was around in 1983. I recall just how well the market sorted out the Video Game industry. Sorted it out so well it crashed. Could list a few hundred other times the market did a swell job sorting things out but I hope you get the gist of why that is terrible logic.

....you're arguing that in 1983 the video game market crashed and completely ignoring the fact that it's worth hundreds of billions of dollars now?....

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Look at all these people speaking with their fingers instead of with their pockets. If you don't like the game, dont buy it.

All this fake outrage makes you look like sheep. You want 2K to stop making money because your feelings are hurt? Want Mike Wang to kiss your boo boo and make it better? Yall crying over something that you won't even play. Who cares about kids being allowed to gamble in a game that has a slot machine. Bump dem kids. They have free will just like I do. It's not up to 2K to monitor their mental health. Yall acting like companies havent been doing this kinda stuff for years. Even NASCAR Thunder 2004 had gambling (not taking tires on last pit stop).

Yet here we are in 2019 worried about "simulated gambling". Bet all these keyboard warriors are still gonna buy this game. Yall are weak minded mama's boys who think that typing harder on the keyboard is gonna change 2K's business practices. STOP IT. Go get some help. You're so occupied on those kid's mental health when you should get your's check. Bump dem kids. And bump the adults who fall for the same tricks that kids do. Got dang sheep wishing they were wolves

[loveinanelevator]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Yes, spewing. None of those people played the game, or the mode they're complaining about. They blindly believed youtubers and used their terminology blindly. If that isn't spewing what is?

Like Ksuttonjr said, then why do we let children play Call of Duty, Battlefield, and GTA? Doesn't that teach them to be psychopathic murderers and bank robbers? Think of the children bruh!


This is why they say gamers are entitled. You don't actually critique the games you complain about, you just whine. Every year there are a plethora of gameplay changes and additions to these sports games. If you don't like the changes that's one thing, but don't spread that lie of sports games only being roster changes. Developers are human, they're going to mess some things up and they're going to make things better, they can't make a perfect game that noone will have a problem with. Even the forever glorified 2k11 had it's fair share of problems.


2k goes on sale for $30 every holiday season. Literally 3 months after it comes out. You aren't being forced to buy it for $60.


You do realize 2k's MyTeam has already been boycotted successfully right? Years ago. All the MyTeam youtubers stopped playing the mode because of horrible pack odds and 2k improved the odds(and the mode in general). People aren't anywhere near as gullible as you think so please get off your soapbox.

At the very least you took the time to respond to my points, Not well mind you but at least you tried.

Going on sale has nothing to do with launching at "X" price.

There are terrible parents out there who let their kids do all sorts of things they should not be doing. Does not give Publishers a pass. Two wrongs do not make a right.

We have very different views on what "plethora" means. Do things that get removed from games go against the plethora quotient?

but don't spread that lie of sports games only being roster changes

Where did I call them only "Roster Changes?" So stop spreading lies?

They blindly believed youtubers and used their terminology blindly.////////////
All the MyTeam youtubers stopped playing the mode because of horrible pack odds and 2k improved the odds

Youtubers are good youtubers are bad. Which should I not blindly follow and which should I praise. Also what if I don't follow any youtubers? I actually follow nobody on youtube

Steps of soapbox. My input has posted and arguing with a fence post is not something I prefer to waste the rest of my day on.

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

At the very least you took the time to respond to my points, Not well mind you but at least you tried.

Just a tip from my experiences on the internet. Statements like this serve no purpose and only hurts your reputation with quality posters on a site. Debate isn't personal so if you don't have an actual counter-point then it's just best to move on.

Going on sale has nothing to do with launching at "X" price.

Oh but it does. Companies have metrics. They measure every statistic about their games sales and player base activity. The 2k dev team even implemented technology that measures the player bases overall shot success from different areas of the floor and use it to balance shooting percentages.

So if the company enrages the actual community that plays the game so badly that they don't pay $60 for the game and they see a substantial dip in their metrics then they will price the game lower.

So, as my previous statement implies, if you don't think the game is worth $60 then don't pay $60 for the game. Influence the market with your dollar. If it has an impact companies will listen because they are for-profit organizations. That's how free market works.

I'm currently upset with the MyCareer grind in 2k so instead of paying $60 last year I waited for the holiday deal and bought the game for $25. This year I'm getting the game free because I have built up Microsoft reward points. If they have improved the MyCareer grind I will buy the game next year for full price.

There are terrible parents out there who let their kids do all sorts of things they should not be doing. Does not give Publishers a pass. Two wrongs do not make a right.

The same can be said about this fake outrage. Instead of discussing realistic limitations that should be placed on micro-transactions they started a smear campaign hiding behind 3 year old children. Just like two wrongs don't make a right, LYING to accomplish a goal(even though it won't work) is just as bad as pretending that nothing should be adjusted.

We have very different views on what "plethora" means. Do things that get removed from games go against the plethora quotient?

Things can be removed for a number of understandable reasons. Can you honestly say that there is less content in 2k19 than previous 2ks?

Where did I call them only "Roster Changes?" So stop spreading lies?

I was speaking in generalities. Typically people who make the same argument as you use those words. in my opinion, you're just being cheap while also not understanding how hard these developers work to make changes that you say are insignificant. If it's not worth $60 to you then don't pay $60. Don't demean developers who don't even see the light of day because they're crunching code for 80 hours a week.

Youtubers are good youtubers are bad. Which should I not blindly follow and which should I praise. Also what if I don't follow any youtubers? I actually follow nobody on youtube

I'm sure you can understand that following anyone blindly just because you like them is dangerous. So I'm just going to chalk this statement up to you being stubborn. Again, debate isn't personal so you should be able to argue without strawman arguments.

[Kstat]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

I was so disgusted with NBA 2k18 that I did not buy 2k19 - first NBA 2k I did not buy since 2k6. I will not buy this year's game too.

...and yet, here you are, spending your time devoted to commenting on a game you've "boycotted" for 3 years...

It is hard to miss your favorite sport game for two years in a row but only good things came out of it...

Yep, they sold more copies each time you "boycotted."


This sounds like a "you" problem...

[loveinanelevator]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Just a tip from my experiences on the internet. Statements like this serve no purpose and only hurts your reputation with quality posters on a site. Debate isn't personal so if you don't have an actual counter-point then it's just best to move on.

Like calling people "Liars" "Spewing" "Stubborn." You do an excellent job of not making it personal and/or attacking others. Pot to Kettle, I be black!

My experience is that I helped build Operation Sports. Like totally an OG on the OS with PhD in Labotomy! Bdoughty has returned and will now be banned!!!

Hope all is well Steve. Beluba I wish you continued success in the industry. Just wish the company you work for wasn't so damn predatory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqW621YjAs

[BasketBalla21]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Like calling people "Liars" "Spewing" "Stubborn." You do an excellent job of not making it personal and/or attacking others. Pot to Kettle, I be black!

My experience is that I helped build Operation Sports. Like totally an OG on the OS with PhD in Labotomy! Bdoughty has returned and will now be banned!!!

Hope all is well Steve. Beluba I wish you continued success in the industry. Just wish the company you work for wasn't so damn predatory.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBqW621YjAs

The fact that you took non-offensive descriptive words personally is a little concerning...

[ILLSmak]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

...and yet, here you are, spending your time devoted to commenting on a game you've "boycotted" for 3 years...



Yep, they sold more copies each time you "boycotted."


This sounds like a "you" problem...

shoot, I'll spend time commenting on a movie I saw 20 years ago. The world doesn't stop just because you stopped buying something.


It's actually neither a 2k nor people who stopped buying problem. It's the problem of people who are still buying haha. O well.


Like if we all came in here and the overwhelming response was (and is, really, but there are some zealots on the other side, too): yea we get it, this sucks that sucks, but in the end 2k is a game I really enjoy, and I don't mind paying a little more money, we (the ragers) would still probably come in here to vent like oh 2k is doing more wack stuff, but I don't think these threads would go 20 pages or whatever.


People are poor, they are weak, they are entitled. It's really amazing what people say to those who think micros are bad. Haha, dude actually said, "It's almost like you want to pay 60 bucks up front for a game and have everything available from the start!!" It's just funny. I think people get more irrational the further they get entrenched mainly because it's easy enough for 'our side' to make them take an irrational position. Cuz there is no real defense that a consumer should be giving.



It's 2ks job to make money----> I still like the game---> it's not that much money.


It's an argument, but it's not really a strong one when the other argument is literally for your sake as much as ours, the only reason people won't accept it is because it's probably not going to change, so it's a kind of "this is fine while the house is burning".jpg.



I personally believe it CAN change, then we all win. Shrugs. 2k is just code at its base. I want to free that code from the people who are making you jump thru hoops to enjoy it. It's their right to protect it and continue to make you jump through hoops, but it's our right to use words.



This is the world.



-Smak

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

...and yet, here you are, spending your time devoted to commenting on a game you've "boycotted" for 3 years...



Yep, they sold more copies each time you "boycotted."


This sounds like a "you" problem...

But if he bought the game, you'd say, "And yet you still bought the game you've devoted time to hate on for 3 years". You have to understand that whether or not someone purchases the game does not matter in this conversation.

[Nevertheles109]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

I can’t believe we have a thread damn near 30 pages long about “angryjoe” and a slot machine that gives you free items. What a time to be alive...

I’m old school and I have a ten year old son that plays MyTeam. If he wants to purchase ANYTHING, he asks. From there it’s a simple yes or no, just like everybody in this thread has when it comes to VC. The slot machine doesn’t change that and I’m truly not worried AT ALL about this addition.

If he can’t refrain due to a slot machine that means my little man’s problem is wayyyy deeper than 2K20.

If you don’t like VC, don’t buy it. If the grind isn’t worth your time or you think it’s unreasonable, don’t do it. And if you truly think this slot machine is affecting children and there’s an ulterior motive that doesn’t sit well with you personally, then don’t buy the dam game. I won’t see that slot machine one time all year because I don’t play the mode — you have that option as well.

Welcome to 2019 where everything is an outrage and offensive. Magnifying something to create an issue makes no sense to me.

[Dyslexicphish]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised some of yall are so adamant in defending 2k here. I mean we are talking about a mode built around loot boxes (which are deliberately and intentional designed to be addictive) incorporating slot machines, roulette wheels, and pachinko. I know those don't involve betting but they are being used in a way that is common among F2P games. Cold Snap linked a pretty good video that goes over some of it but I doubt some of yall even watch it a little.

Also, the difference between Sonic using those (and I can't believe yall used that as an argument lol) is that that was one off, inconsequential after thought in a game from the 90's. Loot boxes and the games that use them today are a completely different beast as they are, like I said, designed deliberately and intentionally to be psychologically addictive to squeeze money out of people.

So even though some people don't care about others being addicted or wasting a extra money they should atleast care that 2k makes the grind that much more grueling.

Personally, if I could do it, I would buy my player up to 85 or whatever the cap is every year after playing the story mode. Sometimes, people just don't want to do the grind, and they have that RIGHT to skip over it. I've been playing this game since NBA 2K4, and the last time I checked my "skills" don't reset with each new game. Having said that...does it REALLY matter if I grind? I already know how to play the game.

You here are admitting that the grind, which is intentionally grueling, is too much of a burden and you'd be willing to pay to skip it. Hint: it's designed that way. Someone might grind one year or two but every subsequent year the urge to just skip it for a few extra dollars becomes more and more tempting as the grind becomes more and more grueling. It's designed to be grueling to get people to pony up some money. It's similar with MyTeam being designed like every F2P game to get more money out of people.

I know people want to defend 2k here because of Mike, DaCzar and the rest of the devs seem like good guys but come on. I swear some of you are being deliberately obtuse.

[Quentin32]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Lol my last post. Most of them dweebs that don’t even play the game complain about the grind. But will brag about spending thousands of hours in Skyrim lol.

“I’m on my 10th character” nerd face *** lol

This era of outrage is hilarious. It’s ruining every facet of my life smh

[Junior Moe]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised some of yall are so adamant in defending 2k here.

You could substitute 2K for any product and the same points still stand. Dont let that knock you off that soapbox, though.


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[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Honestly, I'm pretty surprised some of yall are so adamant in defending 2k here. I mean we are talking about a mode built around loot boxes (which are deliberately and intentional designed to be addictive) incorporating slot machines, roulette wheels, and pachinko. I know those don't involve betting but they are being used in a way that is common among F2P games. Cold Snap linked a pretty good video that goes over some of it but I doubt some of yall even watch it a little.

Also, the difference between Sonic using those (and I can't believe yall used that as an argument lol) is that that was one off, inconsequential after thought in a game from the 90's. Loot boxes and the games that use them today are a completely different beast as they are, like I said, designed deliberately and intentionally to be psychologically addictive to squeeze money out of people.

So even though some people don't care about others being addicted or wasting a extra money they should atleast care that 2k makes the grind that much more grueling.


You here are admitting that the grind, which is intentionally grueling, is too much of a burden and you'd be willing to pay to skip it. Hint: it's designed that way. Someone might grind one year or two but every subsequent year the urge to just skip it for a few extra dollars becomes more and more tempting as the grind becomes more and more grueling. It's designed to be grueling to get people to pony up some money. It's similar with MyTeam being designed like every F2P game to get more money out of people.

I know people want to defend 2k here because of Mike, DaCzar and the rest of the devs seem like good guys but come on. I swear some of you are being deliberately obtuse.

I'm not afraid of the grind. That's where you misinterpreted my comment. I do it, because I'm too cheap to "buy" my way. Plus financially, I'm not that well off to be dropping $100+ like it's nothing to skip the grind. I'm in that grey area where I make enough to buy VC if I REALLY wanted to, but I don't make enough where spending that type of money is spending pennies.

In my eyes, grinds are part of videogames. I have to grind COD just to unlock all the weapons, right? I have to grind in final fantasy to enjoy the game, right? I have to grind in Forza to unlock all the tracks and cars, right? I'm pretty sure games like Destiny 2 and Anthem share similar experiences.

The difference between me and other people is that I'm not SCARED to take a 70 overall player and try to be competitive. I'm not SCARED to use low ranked guns in COD and jump into an online match against players of a higher rank. In fact, I WELCOME the challenge. NBA 2K18's grind was definitely an overkill, but I thought it was reasonable in 2K19.