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  • coolcras7
    MVP
    • Sep 2009
    • 2337

    #166
    Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

    Originally posted by sfpxgalaxy
    I don't know too much about the nba2k series but one thing is absolutely certain is that franchise modes and gameplay in general have seen their progression slowed down drastically since the ultimate team modes appeared in MLB the show and EA NHL games.

    To be honest, I would not give a **** about how gamers spend their money if it did not have any impact on other modes of the games. The reality is that it has a huge impact on development. Other modes see their progression slowed down or completely stopped.

    If they could they obviously would want to sell just a card collecting game because it's where the money is and it's minimal work.
    You clearly don't know what you ate talking about, it is because of those modes that other aspect of the game continue exist, as a Basketball as a sport simulation game 2k is still the best and the people behind it are extremely passionate about make a simulation NBA basketball game, but we live in a world where most of the revenue comes from modes like the Park and Myteam after purchase of the base game, 2k profit from those mode allow 2k to continue to have most if not all of the other beloved modes and legends like Jordan in the game year after year.
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    • StealthBlade98
      Rookie
      • Aug 2019
      • 47

      #167
      Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

      I can't believe the embarrassment of people using sonic or mario in the same discussion as this situation and think it's the same thing. Nintendo and Sega did not have an Ulterior Motive like 2k, stop being ridiculous.

      Originally posted by Kstat
      ...so don't play MyTeam? Is this a new revelation that MyTeam was a pay to win mode? You can play 2K without MyTeam and never have to spend an extra dime on VC. It's just an option you have.
      Doesn't matter if we play it or not, the problem is more of the quality of the game and the long term effects other games will have. There's a big picture here many refuse to accept, this was nothing short of a blatant attempt by 2k to add a psychological device into the game to induce addiction and what did they use for it? A gambling machine, regardless of the fact real money is being used or not. The Roulette Daily Wheel was the same thing, and there's no need for that junk to be in a basketball game at all. They could have been far more clever made something very unique that did the same thing but wasn't obvious but no they literally went full crazy and added UI design of a Slot Machine, Roulette Wheel, Pachinkos.

      Ask yourselves this: if this wasn't a big deal why did 2k delete the MyTeam Trailer off their youtube channel and subsequently going to remove it in game or possible change the Rating of 2k20 to T? Either one is going to happen and the reason for that is because 2k knows what they did and they thought people wouldn't notice.

      They could have done many different things to increase prizes for playing MyTeam or MyCareer whatever but no, they chose things that resemble a Casino Roulette Wheel, Slot Machine and Pachinkos.

      As far as Fornite example goes keep in mind that that game is purely cosmetic and the game is free, but i get the reason why you brought it up.

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      • ksuttonjr76
        All Star
        • Nov 2004
        • 8662

        #168
        Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

        Originally posted by StealthBlade98
        I can't believe the embarrassment of people using sonic or mario in the same discussion as this situation and think it's the same thing. Nintendo and Sega did not have an Ulterior Motive like 2k, stop being ridiculous.







        Doesn't matter if we play it or not, the problem is more of the quality of the game and the long term effects other games will have. There's a big picture here many refuse to accept, this was nothing short of a blatant attempt by 2k to add a psychological device into the game to induce addiction and what did they use for it? A gambling machine, regardless of the fact real money is being used or not. The Roulette Daily Wheel was the same thing, and there's no need for that junk to be in a basketball game at all. They could have been far more clever made something very unique that did the same thing but wasn't obvious but no they literally went full crazy and added UI design of a Slot Machine, Roulette Wheel, Pachinkos.



        Ask yourselves this: if this wasn't a big deal why did 2k delete the MyTeam Trailer off their youtube channel and subsequently going to remove it in game or possible change the Rating of 2k20 to T? Either one is going to happen and the reason for that is because 2k knows what they did and they thought people wouldn't notice.



        They could have done many different things to increase prizes for playing MyTeam or MyCareer whatever but no, they chose things that resemble a Casino Roulette Wheel, Slot Machine and Pachinkos.



        As far as Fornite example goes keep in mind that that game is purely cosmetic and the game is free, but i get the reason why you brought it up.
        Or they removed the video because they didn't like the backlash... it's not the same as admission to doing something devious.

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        • AndreSwagassi86
          Rookie
          • Oct 2014
          • 298

          #169
          Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

          Originally posted by TheFinalEvent97
          Something which doesn't seem to have been brought up is Ante Up, surely that qualifies as gambling when your putting virtual currency that you can earn/buy with money on the line? Granted its only up to about 5 dollars of real money in 1 game but it's still gambling IMO.


          Ante up falls more so under the comparison of DFS like draft kings , it’s skill based because you actually have control to get the outcome to work in your favor. There are odds are based on the skills of the players , not random chance.



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          • olajuwon34
            Pro
            • Aug 2017
            • 681

            #170
            Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

            Originally posted by coolcras7
            You clearly don't know what you ate talking about, it is because of those modes that other aspect of the game continue exist, as a Basketball as a sport simulation game 2k is still the best and the people behind it are extremely passionate about make a simulation NBA basketball game, but we live in a world where most of the revenue comes from modes like the Park and Myteam after purchase of the base game, 2k profit from those mode allow 2k to continue to have most if not all of the other beloved modes and legends like Jordan in the game year after year.
            Your really gonna excuse their ways of making nba 2k because of revenue? 2k makes a game yearly and charges 60 to 100$ just off the retail game alone, thats more than enough to keep afloat if not thrive if you do it every year, im pretty sure game companies spend less than they use to to make games and decide to include these modes and practices, so that argument is not valid.


            Only people that maybe have an excuse for excessive microtransactions is free to play games, they go on for years and need some source of revenue to continue maintaining the game and adding content, thats not the case with nba 2k, because, 60 to 100$ off just selling the game to millions of players, yearly.
            Last edited by olajuwon34; 08-31-2019, 05:47 PM.

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            • AndreSwagassi86
              Rookie
              • Oct 2014
              • 298

              #171
              Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

              Originally posted by 23
              Are the angry people gonna skip and not buy 2K20, or yall just gonna keep arguing on the internet?


              Question I’m asking reading thru this thread.

              A bunch of folks arguing their opinion and probably going to still buy the game. And if they do buy it they will then exercise their right to NOT play myteam at all.




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              • Kstat
                Pro
                • Sep 2015
                • 584

                #172
                Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                The game costs exponentially more to make than it did 10 years ago and the price for the base game is still the same, despite the fact $60 in 2009 is worth $71 today. Over the last ten years they added more staff, more unlicensed retired players, more online infrastructure, invested more in more advertising.... and the base price for the game is locked at $60.

                And the naïveté to tell a publicly traded company how much revenue should be “enough” for them is so far outside the realm of reality I don’t know where to begin. This is kindergarten logic.

                MyTeam is 99% the reason we still have classic teams in the game 7 years after the gimmick peaked. They add those players to the base game anyway and we never have to play MyTeam to access 99% of them.
                Last edited by Kstat; 08-31-2019, 05:47 PM.

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                • Nza
                  MVP
                  • Jan 2004
                  • 3437

                  #173
                  Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                  Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                  Maybe because you don't have to use money to play the slot machine????

                  Damn, is people being dense on purpose?
                  I said "encouraging", not "requiring". They're deliberately skating the line.

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                  • ksuttonjr76
                    All Star
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 8662

                    #174
                    Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                    Originally posted by olajuwon34
                    Your really gonna excuse their ways of making nba 2k because of revenue? 2k makes a game yearly and charges 60 to 100$ just off the retail game alone, thats more than enough to keep afloat if not thrive if you do it every year, im pretty sure game companies spend less than they use to to make games and decide to include these modes and practices, so that argument is not valid.


                    Only people that maybe have an excuse for excessive microtransactions is free to play games, they go on for years and need some source of revenue to continue maintaining the game and adding content, thats not the case with nba 2k, because, 60 to 100$ off just selling the game to millions of players, yearly.
                    Wait a minute. Companies are in business just to stay afloat??????

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                    • ksuttonjr76
                      All Star
                      • Nov 2004
                      • 8662

                      #175
                      Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                      Originally posted by Nza
                      I said "encouraging", not "requiring". They're deliberately skating the line.
                      So, when I drive by a liquor store, am I being encouraged to drink?

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                      • BasketBalla21
                        Rookie
                        • Apr 2019
                        • 273

                        #176
                        Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                        Originally posted by The 24th Letter
                        Ugh at this "Rated E", "Think of the children" rhetoric..

                        Like Sonic 2's Casino Night corrupted us all growing up, lol
                        All of this is honestly very disturbing.

                        All of these gaming news channels are very political in nature and now they are using a very manipulative politician-esque talking point to stir up the masses to revolt against a company.

                        The lack of research they did on the game and the way they are all using the same narrative makes it seem like they all got together in a private skype call to plan all of this. The whole thing creeps me out.

                        Not surprised to see it coming from AngryJoe tho. He always has a horrible opinion on sports games, especially Madden. It's not like he plays them. I don't know why he wants to be a "champion of justice" against all Ultimate Team modes.

                        How would you even acquire players in a mode like this without some form of pack opening? Have every player available for a set amount of MT? That would make the Auction House obsolete.

                        All I want is to get a 99 rated MyPlayer without having to play 5000 games of basketball,

                        have big pack bundles available for purchase using MT(not just vc),

                        and having the 2K action house being unlocked from the jump. I refuse to play online so if they're going to hide behind Unlimited again then that's a huge bummer for me.

                        I just hope this doesn't do any actual damage that makes the franchise worse.
                        Last edited by BasketBalla21; 08-31-2019, 09:31 PM.

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                        • mb625
                          DJ2K
                          • Jan 2012
                          • 5016

                          #177
                          Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                          This is all strange to me. I'm planning on going no money spent this year and I'm licking my chops at the stuff that "clearly promotes gambling" because it's one of the big ways I'll be able to build my collection without the gamble. Maybe I'm a serial gambler despite the fact that I've never set foot in a casino except for the occasional buffet, but hey... whatever I guess.
                          Last edited by mb625; 08-31-2019, 09:34 PM.
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                          • StealthBlade98
                            Rookie
                            • Aug 2019
                            • 47

                            #178
                            Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                            Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                            Or they removed the video because they didn't like the backlash... it's not the same as admission to doing something devious.
                            That is definitely an admission of guilt, they could have simply not pull the video out and instead kept it up and stuck to their arms.

                            Regardless, the backlash happened, it was real and not fake and 2k got caught and they deleted it to play damage control. Make all the excuses you want but i guarantee you it had something to do with the fact they added slot machine UI in the mode and they pull the plug knowing how it's going to affect them. This is a big victory for gamers because we now know 2k isn't really untouchable, we need to keep putting pressure on them in hopes they change.

                            Originally posted by BasketBalla21
                            Not surprised to see it coming from AngryJoe tho. He always has a horrible opinion on sports games, especially Madden. It's not like he plays them. I don't know why he wants to be a "champion of justice" against all Ultimate Team modes.
                            With this type of logic no one should have complained about SW Battlefront 2 then with the micros because it was just one game. No way it would have spilled into other genres giving companies new devious ways to bleed people dry.

                            No, no matter if you play the game, no matter if you like the developer, you must call out back practices. Joe was bringing this to light as it's simply a horrible practice and there's serious consequences that's involved with a feature like this. Regardless if money is being used it's not something that should EVER be in a basketball game PERIOD!!!

                            If people never spoken out on BF2 we'd never seen movement on places passing laws to ban lootboxes or other things in video games. That was the first step, this is the continuation of that first step. This not just a battle it's a war that the consumers MUST win to prevent companies going out of control.
                            Last edited by StealthBlade98; 08-31-2019, 09:37 PM.

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                            • mb625
                              DJ2K
                              • Jan 2012
                              • 5016

                              #179
                              Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                              Originally posted by Dmanning2
                              A lot of sheep in this thread defending the practice of paying money to be more competitive in a game that already cost $60 to get in the door.

                              The fact is 2k deleted the MyTeam trailer from their YouTube channel which lets you know the level of regret they are currently enduring. Why defend this? Micro transactions for clothing maps (CoD) skins (CSGO) ect is one thing. Micro transactions to get a competitive advantage over your opponent is absurd. Pay to win.
                              There are tons of ways to win without paying though. Plus, the new matchmaking algorithms that match you with like teams *should* curb some of the "pay to win" worries. If everyone is going to theoretically be equally competitive via the matchmaking system, you can't exactly pay to be competitive.
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                              • Kstat
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2015
                                • 584

                                #180
                                Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                                Originally posted by StealthBlade98
                                That is definitely an admission of guilt, they could have simply not pull the video out and instead kept it up and stuck to their arms.

                                Regardless, the backlash happened, it was real and not fake and 2k got caught and they deleted it to play damage control. Make all the excuses you want but i guarantee you it had something to do with the fact they added slot machine UI in the mode and they pull the plug knowing how it's going to affect them. This is a big victory for gamers because we now know 2k isn't really untouchable, we need to keep putting pressure on them in hopes they change.
                                Mobbing a YouTube video with dislikes is a big victory for “gamers.” Wow that is a sad commentary.

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