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  • ksuttonjr76
    All Star
    • Nov 2004
    • 8662

    #196
    Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

    Originally posted by tt500
    How about you win guaranteed packs after a game of unlimited? Makes no sense to argue the game is more fun if you pay to open packs. How about playing games actually get you vc too.

    The loot boxes arent even fair for players for play without spending. You cant buy a box of 20 packs or 10 cause it only takes vc. Why cant a player buy those with mt or have a way of earning that.

    Sent from my LM-G710 using Tapatalk
    Funny...there ARE ways to earn VC in other modes.

    The slot machine was/is a way to earn to free cards without paying money.

    I'm starting to think most y'all don't even play the damn mode. There are challenges with in the mode where you can earn MyTeam points or tokens that can be used to purchase cards.

    There's an auction house where you can purchase/sell cards using strictly the in-game currency.

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    • Vroman
      Pro
      • Aug 2014
      • 959

      #197
      Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

      Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
      Funny...there ARE ways to earn VC in other modes.

      The slot machine was/is a way to earn to free cards without paying money.

      I'm starting to think most y'all don't even play the damn mode. There are challenges with in the mode where you can earn MyTeam points or tokens that can be used to purchase cards.

      There's an auction house where you can purchase/sell cards using strictly the in-game currency.
      I played bunch 2k19 myteam on friends account, we basically shared the grind and it was still too much when got the work split in half.
      The only real way to keep up competative lineup without paying is spending tons of time on auction house following prices and fliping cards. The TTO with the gambling machines is only worth it if u play online and win 8/10 times at least, otherwise you will get so little "rolls" on the machine that it wont pay up for the contracts. And its such a brain dead mode with all the cheesy players everyone using and gameplay at casual sliders.

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      • thevardano
        Rookie
        • Sep 2015
        • 141

        #198
        Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

        I was so disgusted with NBA 2k18 that I did not buy 2k19 - first NBA 2k I did not buy since 2k6. I will not buy this year's game too.

        This discussion is not about will you buy it or you won't. This is not even about basketball or video games. There is tons of materials and researches which prove that companies like EA (I'm sure 2k does it too) putting a lot of algorithms into their games to make people spend more and more money. One word to describe it all is manipulating.
        I don't know about anything you but I care about people who live around me and I don't want to see them to expose basic human reactions and weaknesses to make more money. It's more than if I do or don't do right thing, it is about us.

        For some very strange reason company like CD Projekt Red can top Steam with sales with game which did not even come out yet.


        They are not selling anything inside of that game, it is only singleplayer and they do not have plans to make multiplayer and so on. Yeah, it is 60 buck game. Now cry me a river about game production costs in 2019.
        2k is just freaking milking kids in the most cheapest way and some intellectuals in this forums are defending it.

        I think to keep asking "will you buy this game" is beyond being dumb.

        It is hard to miss your favorite sport game for two years in a row but only good things came out of it...
        Last edited by thevardano; 09-01-2019, 09:29 AM.

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        • loveinanelevator
          Rookie
          • Jul 2019
          • 75

          #199
          Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

          Originally posted by BasketBalla21
          Barely anyone is spewing PC gamer rhetoric....
          Spewing? Because people want publishers/developers to eliminate pay 2 win, lootboxes, console exclusive items and other crappy practices on games they are selling at full retail price. Well then allow me to spew away. Also it's not just about the children, addiction does not limit itself to an age group, they just happen to be the most vulnerable.

          It's even worse for sports games because it is yearly revenue and they are selling it for full retail price each year for the standard edition. For roster updates, gameplay changes and a new mode or two, not a new game. The problem is they are a yearly product so they have a limited timeframe to milk you yearly of your cash. So VC, MUT, FUT, ETC to the rescue. That is why you do not see these games becoming GAAS or every other year. Some of you fail to calculate how well these games sell yearly and at full price without all the microtransactions. Speaking of which, how much of that MTX money is going back into the yearly game? I can assure you all that MUT money from Madden did not do a damn thing to improve Franchise mode the past few years.

          Far Cry New Dawn and Wolfenstein: Youngblood are perfect examples of what Sports games should do but wont. Both were new games that relied heavily on reused assets and maps. In turn they retailed for $39.99 and $29.99 respectively for the standard editions.

          I get it, some of you guys have to be hard on the internet. Don't want no sensitive souls russlin your jimmies and such with facts and common sense. The saddest part is the longer these practices are allowed, they are going to get worse as long as their customer base stays even and especially with a yearly increase. They are going to start finding their way into modes you actually play (for those with the excuse they do not play MY TEAM).

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          • Quentin32
            Pro
            • Sep 2015
            • 546

            #200
            Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

            Originally posted by thevardano
            I was so disgusted with NBA 2k18 that I did not buy 2k19 - first NBA 2k I did not buy since 2k6. I will not buy this year's game too.

            This discussion is not about will you buy it or you won't. This is not even about basketball or video games. There is tons of materials and researches which prove that companies like EA (I'm sure 2k does it too) putting a lot of algorithms into their games to make people spend more and more money. One word to describe it all is manipulating.
            I don't know about anything you but I care about people who live around me and I don't want to see them to expose basic human reactions and weaknesses to make more money. It's more than if I do or don't do right thing, it is about us.

            For some very strange reason company like CD Projekt Red can top Steam with sales with game which did not even come out yet.


            They are not selling anything inside of that game, it is only singleplayer and they do not have plans to make multiplayer and so on. Yeah, it is 60 buck game. Now cry me a river about game production costs in 2019.
            2k is just freaking milking kids in the most cheapest way and some intellectuals in this forums are defending it.

            I think to keep asking "will you buy this game" is beyond being dumb.

            It is hard to miss your favorite sport game for two years in a row but only good things came out of it...
            CDR don’t have to pay licensing fees. And they also are catching flack now because of a “ “perceived”graphical downgrade. So it’s always gonna be something

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            • loveinanelevator
              Rookie
              • Jul 2019
              • 75

              #201
              Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

              Originally posted by 23
              So y'all buying the game or naw?

              Are you going to bring something relevant to the discussion or naw? From your previous posts in the thread, I am betting on naw?

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              • ksuttonjr76
                All Star
                • Nov 2004
                • 8662

                #202
                Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                Originally posted by thevardano
                I was so disgusted with NBA 2k18 that I did not buy 2k19 - first NBA 2k I did not buy since 2k6. I will not buy this year's game too.

                This discussion is not about will you buy it or you won't. This is not even about basketball or video games. There is tons of materials and researches which prove that companies like EA (I'm sure 2k does it too) putting a lot of algorithms into their games to make people spend more and more money. One word to describe it all is manipulating.
                I don't know about anything you but I care about people who live around me and I don't want to see them to expose basic human reactions and weaknesses to make more money. It's more than if I do or don't do right thing, it is about us.

                For some very strange reason company like CD Projekt Red can top Steam with sales with game which did not even come out yet.


                They are not selling anything inside of that game, it is only singleplayer and they do not have plans to make multiplayer and so on. Yeah, it is 60 buck game. Now cry me a river about game production costs in 2019.
                2k is just freaking milking kids in the most cheapest way and some intellectuals in this forums are defending it.

                I think to keep asking "will you buy this game" is beyond being dumb.

                It is hard to miss your favorite sport game for two years in a row but only good things came out of it...
                Ummmmm.... I'm pretty sure marketing and ads have been around long before videogames. Long story short, companies have been "manipulating" people for decades now.

                Fake outrage.

                EDIT: The game sold 20 million to date since 2015. NBA 2K sold how many copies in the same period of time?
                Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 09-01-2019, 10:26 AM.

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                • Fredette
                  Rookie
                  • Sep 2015
                  • 305

                  #203
                  Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                  This is the problem with modern videosportgames:




                  Will be "exciting" how next-gen videosportgames will develope. Maybe PS5 will have a credit-card slot...

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                  • ksuttonjr76
                    All Star
                    • Nov 2004
                    • 8662

                    #204
                    Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                    Originally posted by loveinanelevator
                    Spewing? Because people want publishers/developers to eliminate pay 2 win, lootboxes, console exclusive items and other crappy practices on games they are selling at full retail price. Well then allow me to spew away. Also it's not just about the children, addiction does not limit itself to an age group, they just happen to be the most vulnerable.

                    It's even worse for sports games because it is yearly revenue and they are selling it for full retail price each year for the standard edition. For roster updates, gameplay changes and a new mode or two, not a new game. The problem is they are a yearly product so they have a limited timeframe to milk you yearly of your cash. So VC, MUT, FUT, ETC to the rescue. That is why you do not see these games becoming GAAS or every other year. Some of you fail to calculate how well these games sell yearly and at full price without all the microtransactions. Speaking of which, how much of that MTX money is going back into the yearly game? I can assure you all that MUT money from Madden did not do a damn thing to improve Franchise mode the past few years.

                    Far Cry New Dawn and Wolfenstein: Youngblood are perfect examples of what Sports games should do but wont. Both were new games that relied heavily on reused assets and maps. In turn they retailed for $39.99 and $29.99 respectively for the standard editions.

                    I get it, some of you guys have to be hard on the internet. Don't want no sensitive souls russlin your jimmies and such with facts and common sense. The saddest part is the longer these practices are allowed, they are going to get worse as long as their customer base stays even and especially with a yearly increase. They are going to start finding their way into modes you actually play (for those with the excuse they do not play MY TEAM).
                    Again, game companies are for-profit organizations. Some of y'all are acting like y'all genuinely mad that they're making money.

                    So...does anyone have any reliable studies, data, or case information to reflect the negative impact of NBA 2K on kids? Thus far, all arguments is assumptive information that the presence of Example A will lead to Behavior X.

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                    • loveinanelevator
                      Rookie
                      • Jul 2019
                      • 75

                      #205
                      Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                      Originally posted by Quentin32
                      CDR don’t have to pay licensing fees. And they also are catching flack now because of a “ “perceived”graphical downgrade. So it’s always gonna be something

                      CDPR did have to pay a licensing fee at one point because it is based on a book. The author Andrzej Sapkowski made the unwise decision of accepting what amounts to a $9,500 American dollar one time payment for that license.He made the statement where he dismissed videogames as “stupid” and said he only sold the rights for “a big bag of money”.


                      He has since brought a lawsuit against CDPR for $16 million in royalties, claiming the money was only for the first book.

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                      • loveinanelevator
                        Rookie
                        • Jul 2019
                        • 75

                        #206
                        Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                        Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
                        Again, game companies are for-profit organizations. Some of y'all are acting like y'all genuinely mad that they're making money.

                        So...does anyone have any reliable studies, data, or case information to reflect the negative impact of NBA 2K on kids? Thus far, all arguments is assumptive information that the presence of Example A will lead to Behavior X.

                        Nice to see you just skimmed over my points and went straight for the redundant, why are you mad they making money.

                        Nobody is against company's making money. They have to make money to keep producing a product. Honestly, do you not read any of the posts you quote? It's about the practices they use to get profits using what many would consider unethical practices.

                        There have been numerous studies on the impact these practices have on people. Many of them long before these games or video games themselves have existed. To expect one based purely on NBA 2K is naive at best and honestly just looks a lame attempt at moving the goal posts.

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                        • ksuttonjr76
                          All Star
                          • Nov 2004
                          • 8662

                          #207
                          Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                          Originally posted by Fredette
                          This is the problem with modern videosportgames:




                          Will be "exciting" how next-gen videosportgames will develope. Maybe PS5 will have a credit-card slot...
                          Calling BS, and frankly I feel like this video is disrespectful to the developers of NBA 2K.

                          You going to tell me that the people like Mike Wang, Da Czar, Scott Gallagher, Leftos, Razor, etc don't care about the quality of their game?

                          Also, the video is BS because it's comparing games of past to the more complex advance games of today. That's like saying cars from the 1940s were better quality than the cars of the 2000s. No...videogames are waaaaaaaaayyyyy more complex and involve more computer coding than they did back then, and as a result there's a higher chance of bugs and glitches. Period.

                          EDIT: Funny. He pulled a MGK. He's trying to go to "war" with NBA 2K, but compliments them at the same time. Also, at the 7:30 mark he made a GREAT point regarding "competitive" gamers.
                          Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 09-01-2019, 10:59 AM.

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                          • Junior Moe
                            MVP
                            • Jul 2009
                            • 3869

                            #208
                            Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                            The more I hear about "predatory practices", "manipulation" and "think about the childeren," the more I am convinced these guys are just cheap as hell. That's it.

                            There's a valid question as to how far is too far and what is too much with regards to microtransactions. The market will figure that out as it always does.

                            I love my iPhone. I'm not waiting in line to spend a 1100$ on the newest release. I can afford it, but if my current model is good I ride with it until it starts crapping out. But good on Apple for having a product people love and making that money, and good on the people who spend their money on what they want.

                            If theres an ethical line you personally feel is crossed, then you have a choice on whether or not to support the product; exercise it! But to act like it's this big bad existential threat to gaming is silly. Some of the arguments I have read are just bad. Like, there are people saying a FOR PROFIT company has made enough. What? There is no such thing. But yeah, the children, gambling addition, slippery slope, greed...

                            Sent from my SM-G950U using Operation Sports mobile app

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                            • ksuttonjr76
                              All Star
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 8662

                              #209
                              Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                              Originally posted by loveinanelevator
                              Nice to see you just skimmed over my points and went straight for the redundant, why are you mad they making money.

                              Nobody is against company's making money. They have to make money to keep producing a product. Honestly, do you not read any of the posts you quote? It's about the practices they use to get profits using what many would consider unethical practices.

                              There have been numerous studies on the impact these practices have on people. Many of them long before these games or video games themselves have existed. To expect one based purely on NBA 2K is naive at best and honestly just looks a lame attempt at moving the goal posts.
                              To me, there's nothing (for the moment, because even I will draw a line in the sand at some point) unethical about their practices as long as you have freedom of choice.

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                              • BasketBalla21
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2019
                                • 273

                                #210
                                Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                                Originally posted by loveinanelevator
                                Spewing? Because people want publishers/developers to eliminate pay 2 win, lootboxes, console exclusive items and other crappy practices on games they are selling at full retail price. Well then allow me to spew away. Also it's not just about the children, addiction does not limit itself to an age group, they just happen to be the most vulnerable.
                                Yes, spewing. None of those people played the game, or the mode they're complaining about. They blindly believed youtubers and used their terminology blindly. If that isn't spewing what is?

                                Like Ksuttonjr said, then why do we let children play Call of Duty, Battlefield, and GTA? Doesn't that teach them to be psychopathic murderers and bank robbers? Think of the children bruh!

                                It's even worse for sports games because it is yearly revenue and they are selling it for full retail price each year for the standard edition. For roster updates, gameplay changes and a new mode or two, not a new game. The problem is they are a yearly product so they have a limited timeframe to milk you yearly of your cash. So VC, MUT, FUT, ETC to the rescue. That is why you do not see these games becoming GAAS or every other year. Some of you fail to calculate how well these games sell yearly and at full price without all the microtransactions. Speaking of which, how much of that MTX money is going back into the yearly game? I can assure you all that MUT money from Madden did not do a damn thing to improve Franchise mode the past few years.
                                This is why they say gamers are entitled. You don't actually critique the games you complain about, you just whine. Every year there are a plethora of gameplay changes and additions to these sports games. If you don't like the changes that's one thing, but don't spread that lie of sports games only being roster changes. Developers are human, they're going to mess some things up and they're going to make things better, they can't make a perfect game that noone will have a problem with. Even the forever glorified 2k11 had it's fair share of problems.

                                Far Cry New Dawn and Wolfenstein: Youngblood are perfect examples of what Sports games should do but wont. Both were new games that relied heavily on reused assets and maps. In turn they retailed for $39.99 and $29.99 respectively for the standard editions.
                                2k goes on sale for $30 every holiday season. Literally 3 months after it comes out. You aren't being forced to buy it for $60.

                                I get it, some of you guys have to be hard on the internet. Don't want no sensitive souls russlin your jimmies and such with facts and common sense. The saddest part is the longer these practices are allowed, they are going to get worse as long as their customer base stays even and especially with a yearly increase. They are going to start finding their way into modes you actually play (for those with the excuse they do not play MY TEAM).
                                You do realize 2k's MyTeam has already been boycotted successfully right? Years ago. All the MyTeam youtubers stopped playing the mode because of horrible pack odds and 2k improved the odds(and the mode in general). People aren't anywhere near as gullible as you think so please get off your soapbox.

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