Angryjoe's 2k take.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

ROFL, Kid you in here getting ripped my dude, you can't just say that then duck

Angry Joe is a voice for 2K now?

The same Angry Joe that makes his brother dress up like anime dolls?

You know he don't even play 2K

The boredom is real aint it?

Had to dip cause I was on break. But my point still remains. Anyone who thinks Take Two didnt deliberately design this "game" to replicate gambling is 100% wrong. People's arguement of "it's not gambling because you're not spending money" is honestly valid, but it ignores the fact that gambling doesn't have to involve money at all. Gambling involves things of value. You do "this" for a randomized chance to get "that". In 2K's case, "this" is going to involve some sort of token or currency system, and anyone who thinks otherwise was born tomorrow. If this "game" was truly free and randomized, 2K would just give you a random gift at the end of each basketball game. There would be no slot machines or roulette wheels to play. It would truly be random. Unfortunately, that's not what Take Two is doing. Take Two is exploiting addictive personalities and normalizing this behavior. Their agenda is working.

[Kstat]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Yes, their agenda of giving away free stuff to incentivize people to spend more time playing the game, so they can get more free stuff, while charging no extra cash whatsoever in the process. Utterly diabolical.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Have you even used a real slot machine yourself????

No, and I never will. I have done other forms of indirect gambling and felt like a disgrace after I realized what I was doing. It's easy to get addicted to simple stuff like this. The house always wins

[Kid OS]

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“This isn’t a think of the children issue.”

“It’s a grooming process! Think of the children!”

...you realize people gamble on actual NBA basketball, right? That’s a thing that happens. And they do it with real money. The NBA allows it, profits off of it, and the nba also promotes itself heavily to kids.

If you were in any way serious about your hysteria, you’d boycott the NBA altogether. Not just 2K, but the entire league and all of its products. But since you’re here right now, I’m guessing that’s not going to happen.

“Depressed souls.” I don’t even have a comment here. That’s just a thing you said.

Who said I'm boycotting NBA2K? Heck, I just bought Madden for the first time in 3 years. Doesn't mean I'm gonna ignore the psychological warfare that is going on inside of these games. All I can do is warn people of the potential dangers. It's no different from getting married yet still understanding the potential consequences of the legal arrangement. I personally have the ability to live within the gray area and still recognize the black and white spectrum.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Yes, their agenda of giving away free stuff to incentivize people to spend more time playing the game, so they can get more free stuff, while charging no extra cash whatsoever in the process. Utterly diabolical.

If your estimate turns out to be correct, I will give you all the kudos you deserve. But, in my heart, I have no belief in your example being the true embodiment of what the "slot machine" entails.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Had to dip cause I was on break. But my point still remains. Anyone who thinks Take Two didnt deliberately design this "game" to replicate gambling is 100% wrong. People's arguement of "it's not gambling because you're not spending money" is honestly valid, but it ignores the fact that gambling doesn't have to involve money at all. Gambling involves things of value. You do "this" for a randomized chance to get "that". In 2K's case, "this" is going to involve some sort of token or currency system, and anyone who thinks otherwise was born tomorrow. If this "game" was truly free and randomized, 2K would just give you a random gift at the end of each basketball game. There would be no slot machines or roulette wheels to play. It would truly be random. Unfortunately, that's not what Take Two is doing. Take Two is exploiting addictive personalities and normalizing this behavior. Their agenda is working.

That's literally what they're doing...

Doesn't the Spin the Wheel in the Park do the exact same thing?

[Kstat]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

If your estimate turns out to be correct, I will give you all the kudos you deserve. But, in my heart, I have no belief in your example being the true embodiment of what the "slot machine" entails.

I spent no actual money outside of what I purchased 2K19 for. I played the prize wheel every day, even days when I didn’t have time to get an actual game in. All 2K asked of me was that I turn the game on once a day. That’s it. I earned so much VC I never at any point had to spend/risk another dime on anything.

The absolute worst thing you can say about 2K is that it’s riddled with microtransactions, but that’s not the same as loot boxes/gambling. If anything, these minigames are rewards for dedicated players that devote their time into grinding at whatever mode. The game makes sure that if you take advantage of all the free stuff, you’ll be taken care of. The people shelling out the cash are the ones that don’t want to put the time in and still want all the extra stuff without grinding for it.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

I played the prize wheel every day, even days when I didn’t have time to get an actual game in. All 2K asked of me was that I turn the game on once a day. That’s it.

See, this is where we agree to disagree due to different definitions of gambling. To me, this is textbook grooming. They were able to get you to turn on the game once a day for the chance of getting a prize. Some may see this as harmless, and in all honesty, it mostly is, but I see it as a red flag, and a sneaky way of hiding their ulterior motives. I understand your POV though and would actually agree with you if this convo happened in 2015ish, back when VC was fresh and "cool" to me.

[Kstat]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

See, this is where we agree to disagree due to different definitions of gambling. To me, this is textbook grooming. They were able to get you to turn on the game once a day for the chance of getting a prize. Some may see this as harmless, and in all honesty, it mostly is, but I see it as a red flag, and a sneaky way of hiding their ulterior motives. I understand your POV though and would actually agree with you if this convo happened in 2015ish, back when VC was fresh and "cool" to me.

It wasn’t a “chance” at a prize, it was a prize. Some days it wasn’t a very good or even a useful one, but more often than not it was something good, and later on it became major prizes. There’s no “you get nothing at all” prize on the wheel.

It’s a gimmick for players’ attention in a very crowded gaming market, and it’s a good one. The more often you log in to a game, even if it’s just for a minute, the less likely you are to quit the game and move on to something else. 2K19 got a lot more of my time than 2K18 did, because it offered more value in exchange for it. There’s nothing “addictive” about that, it’s just good business.

Every form of entertainment tries to be addictive. Every single one. It’s a business. There’s nothing immoral about trying to get your customers back in the store as frequently as possible.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

It wasn’t a “chance” at a prize, it was a prize. Some days it wasn’t a very good or even a useful one, but more often than not it was something good, and later on it became major prizes. There’s no “you get nothing at all” prize on the wheel.

It’s a gimmick for players’ attention in a very crowded gaming market, and it’s a good one. The more often you log in to a game, even if it’s just for a minute, the less likely you are to quit the game and move on to something else.

Every form of entertainment tries to be addictive. Every single one. It’s a business. There’s nothing immoral about trying to get your customers back in the store as frequently as possible.

Exactly.

I'm already playing PNO almost on a daily basis, so it wasn't a big deal for me to jump into MyCareer to spin the wheel real quick.

[Kid OS]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

It wasn’t a “chance” at a prize, it was a prize. Some days it wasn’t a very good or even a useful one, but more often than not it was something good, and later on it became major prizes. There’s no “you get nothing at all” prize on the wheel.

It’s a gimmick for players’ attention in a very crowded gaming market, and it’s a good one. The more often you log in to a game, even if it’s just for a minute, the less likely you are to quit the game and move on to something else. 2K19 got a lot more of my time than 2K18 did, because it offered more value in exchange for it. There’s nothing “addictive” about that, it’s just good business.

Every form of entertainment tries to be addictive. Every single one. It’s a business. There’s nothing immoral about trying to get your customers back in the store as frequently as possible.

Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's right.

[ksuttonjr76]

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Just because everyone does it, doesn't mean it's right.

Are you really advocating for not giving people a reason to play a videogame outside of the love for the game? I wish they would remove any type of reward system from the multiplayer games I play. I would cause a damn riot.

[cmebfresh]

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Only thing they getting from me is $60... plus I don’t play Myteam, and it seem like they are seeing what they can get away with until you are actually gambling with your own money


Good luck myteam players

[J_Posse]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

Ugh at this "Rated E", "Think of the children" rhetoric..

Like Sonic 2's Casino Night corrupted us all growing up, lol

Yeah, games have had 'simulated slot machines' at least since the 16 - bit rea. But, because of the rise of Youtubers and our fake "outrage" culture it is now the scourge of society/gaming. Same idiots were playing Mortal Kombat/MA rated games when Congress was attempting to ban them.....

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[antdoggydogg]

Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

But it's not gambling...it's a player card-collecting centric mode. The slot machine is a just way to get more free cards/items for your collection. Nothing more, nothing less.

The artistic decision to use a slot machine was probably in poor taste, but it doesn't changes the fact it's just a tool to get free stuff.

I spent no actual money outside of what I purchased 2K19 for. I played the prize wheel every day, even days when I didn’t have time to get an actual game in. All 2K asked of me was that I turn the game on once a day. That’s it. I earned so much VC I never at any point had to spend/risk another dime on anything.

The absolute worst thing you can say about 2K is that it’s riddled with microtransactions, but that’s not the same as loot boxes/gambling. If anything, these minigames are rewards for dedicated players that devote their time into grinding at whatever mode. The game makes sure that if you take advantage of all the free stuff, you’ll be taken care of. The people shelling out the cash are the ones that don’t want to put the time in and still want all the extra stuff without grinding for it.

It wasn’t a “chance” at a prize, it was a prize. Some days it wasn’t a very good or even a useful one, but more often than not it was something good, and later on it became major prizes. There’s no “you get nothing at all” prize on the wheel.

It’s a gimmick for players’ attention in a very crowded gaming market, and it’s a good one. The more often you log in to a game, even if it’s just for a minute, the less likely you are to quit the game and move on to something else. 2K19 got a lot more of my time than 2K18 did, because it offered more value in exchange for it. There’s nothing “addictive” about that, it’s just good business.

Every form of entertainment tries to be addictive. Every single one. It’s a business. There’s nothing immoral about trying to get your customers back in the store as frequently as possible.

I agree with the above points. I don't get what the outrage is about, I understood it when they were pinching people for haircuts a couple years back.

10 years ago these modes didn't exist at all and you just had MyLeague and Play now. Now they could've kept that the same. Or they could've added more modes and an online community where everyone is competing against each other. You can't make it easy to get to 99 or else the online experience is kind of stupid. If you don't like these modes just stick with the old school stuff. MyTeam is just a bonus on top of the stuff I already like.

Like many others said, you aren't putting in money into this slot machines, I've never heard of this Angry Joe channel before but they honestly didn't sound like they're very familiar with the mode. They kept saying things like "how is this a basketball game!?" There is a lot of basketball in the game lol the video they are nitpicking is strictly about one mode and is showing off the reward prizes. You don't need to spend any real money unless you want to overpower your team and quickly. You shouldn't be allowed to do that quickly and for free in an online ecosystem where people are competing against each other.

2K is a publicly traded company, it's their incentive to maximize their earnings to please their share holders. I think they've balanced it pretty well given the circumstances. I don't get why people are mad about the option to spend more money in a relatively new mode that is separate from the classic play now modes. But i'm speaking from the perspective of someone who has self control and always chooses to play games without purchasing add-ons.