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  • zrohman
    Pro
    • Nov 2013
    • 834

    #271
    Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

    Originally posted by ksuttonjr76
    I don't know about that. Maybe I just have an "old head philosophy" regarding competition. Personally, I believe that EVERYONE should have a starting point, then it's just survival of the fitness when it comes to online multiplayer games. GRANTED and admittedly, VC does allow people to jump over the base starting point and pick their own starting point. However, that does't really bother me so much, since MyPark is open where those people (in theory) should be playing games against other high overall opponents and not beating up on weaker competition. Although to my understanding, that's been addressed for NBA 2K20.

    The idea of "even playing field" sounds too much like "participation trophies" to me. I ABSOLUTELY HATE the concept of participation trophies. Every time my kids got one those lame trophies, I just threw them in the garbage. Of course, that's assuming that the competition is not using game exploits and cheats to win the game.
    So you think people should be able to buy their trophies? Doing no work but getting the reward (a 90 rated player) while someone who played for 100 hours would still be a 70 rated player? You think the 90 rated player isn't getting a handout?

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    • Kid OS
      Pro
      • Sep 2016
      • 829

      #272
      Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

      Originally posted by SlimFast_GymRat
      This has already been addressed by the PEGI/ESRB. They don't consider it virtual gambling, but it walks a fine line with its visuals.


      In case you missed the article: http://www.polygon.com/2019/8/31/208...t-boxes-myteam
      This is why some "higher ups" are beginning to take matters into their own hands. The article reads as if the PEGI and ESRB folks haven't seen the game in action in order to rate it before it's release. Seems like they're going off of the trailer just like everyone else. There was also no mention of the actual gambling in the game that has been found in the Ante Up mode.

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      • MrWrestling3
        MVP
        • May 2015
        • 1146

        #273
        Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

        Originally posted by SlimFast_GymRat
        This has already been addressed by the PEGI/ESRB. They don't consider it virtual gambling, but it walks a fine line with its visuals.


        In case you missed the article: http://www.polygon.com/2019/8/31/208...t-boxes-myteam
        I think it should be noted that the CEO of Take 2 has been involved in the ESRB at the top level for some time now.

        IMO, regardless of the "Is it gambling or not?" issue, trusting the company which is arguably the most aggressive one out there when it comes to pushing microtransactions(or as Take 2 likes to call it.... "Recurrent Customer Spending") to effectively regulate itself is an incredibly bad idea.

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        • Kstat
          Pro
          • Sep 2015
          • 584

          #274
          Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

          Originally posted by zrohman
          30 minutes extra per day spinning wheel and playing an app you care nothing for, playing mindless hours, just to still be the rating of a role player by the end of the year. That's the life of a casual player in this game. It's a shame. Because 2k could be so great.
          It takes like 2 minutes (including load time) to turn the game on, find a neighborhood and spin the damn wheel. Stop. And no amount of VC is going to help you once you get to 85.


          And if you're still a "role player" level after playing the game for 9 months, that's a "you" problem. It's a competitive create-a-player mode. If you're only playing the game 1 hour a week, you don't deserve the player you want. Sorry. You get out of the game what you put into it.
          Last edited by Kstat; 09-02-2019, 03:25 PM.

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          • ksuttonjr76
            All Star
            • Nov 2004
            • 8662

            #275
            Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

            Originally posted by zrohman
            So you think people should be able to buy their trophies? Doing no work but getting the reward (a 90 rated player) while someone who played for 100 hours would still be a 70 rated player? You think the 90 rated player isn't getting a handout?
            Sorry. I'm pretty sure that you inflated the amount of time it takes to upgrade your player especially if you're dedicated to that particular mode. Obviously, it would take more time for people that play multiple modes within a standard NBA 2K game.

            To answer you question, it doesn't bother me that people can pay for a higher overall. As I mentioned before, ideally those people should be playing against other people with similar overalls which has been addressed for NBA 2K20. We'll see how they plays out this year.
            Last edited by ksuttonjr76; 09-02-2019, 04:12 PM.

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            • mb625
              DJ2K
              • Jan 2012
              • 5016

              #276
              Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

              Originally posted by Kid OS
              That's not the point tho. It's like going to a salon that doubles as you know what. When the cops show up, saying that, "We offer tons of services that don't break the law" isn't going to be a good arguement. Take Two has unfortunately dipped into the realm of possible illegality and may or may not suffer the consequences.

              Trust us, we all know that you don't have to spend a dime over $60 in order to get your money's worth with this game. That doesn't change the gravity of the situation though.
              That's not exactly the greatest analogy though... it's more like a fast food restaurant, where you can pay for the regular meal or you can exchange an item or get a bigger size for an upcharge. The meal is the same price it always was, the add-ons, which you don't need to enjoy that meal, are what costs extra. Currently, micro-transactions don't break any laws. If they are regulated, that's up to the government to decide.
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              • Kid OS
                Pro
                • Sep 2016
                • 829

                #277
                Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                Originally posted by mb625
                That's not exactly the greatest analogy though... it's more like a fast food restaurant, where you can pay for the regular meal or you can exchange an item or get a bigger size for an upcharge. The meal is the same price it always was, the add-ons, which you don't need to enjoy that meal, are what costs extra. Currently, micro-transactions don't break any laws. If they are regulated, that's up to the government to decide.
                That's correct when it comes to VC itself. Having a virtual currency in a video game isn't illegal in the slightest. The problem is how VC and real money become indistinguishable inside of the video game. If VC is being used in situations that simulate gambling (Ante Up is 100% gambling and I can't be convinced otherwise), then real money is being gambled as well. That's where the legality of the situation is in question. If VC couldnt be bought with real money, the discussion would be less about the legality of 2K letting people gamble, and more about how predatory and scummy the business practice is. Right now, Take Two is being attacked for both; as well they should be.

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                • mb625
                  DJ2K
                  • Jan 2012
                  • 5016

                  #278
                  Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                  Originally posted by Kid OS
                  That's correct when it comes to VC itself. Having a virtual currency in a video game isn't illegal in the slightest. The problem is how VC and real money become indistinguishable inside of the video game. If VC is being used in situations that simulate gambling (Ante Up is 100% gambling and I can't be convinced otherwise), then real money is being gambled as well. That's where the legality of the situation is in question. If VC couldnt be bought with real money, the discussion would be less about the legality of 2K letting people gamble, and more about how predatory and scummy the business practice is. Right now, Take Two is being attacked for both; as well they should be.
                  I think at that point, you have to ask a) what percentage of players play the Ante Up mode and b) what percentage of those are spending actual money to play it. It's important to note that most people earn VC, rather than actually paying for it, so they aren't out any actual money, just a minute amount of time.

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                  • Hellquist
                    Pro
                    • Oct 2012
                    • 558

                    #279
                    Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                    Lol. Sorry, this is funny to me. I don't play MyTeam or any of those modes ,so it doesn't concern me. No one is putting a gun to your head to buy packs or whatever is going on. I get both sides of the coin, but I am happy there's conversation.

                    P.S. Borderlands has slot machines, ban it!!!! It's gambling! Stop using fake money you earned in the game for fake weapons! It's unethical!

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                    • Kstat
                      Pro
                      • Sep 2015
                      • 584

                      #280
                      Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                      Originally posted by NoLeafClover
                      Sorry but this mindset is just weird to me.

                      "You have to EARN the right to enjoy the game you already paid $60 for on the same level as everyone else!"

                      These arguments just seem like dudes justifying wanting to have an advantage over other players via stats/badges/better cards etc. instead of their skill with the game just because they sink more $ or hours into it per day.

                      I play Tekken (the fighting game) quite a bit and the idea that people who play more should have a more powerful fighter is just hilarious and would instantly be torn down, yet 2K has trained people to expect it.

                      Just imagining if someone paid more $ to have an extra 10 damage added to their punches or some **** is hilarious yet that's exactly what happens here :o
                      1. In a competitive team based create a player mode, you’re not entitled to ****. If you want your ideal player, you’re going to have to work for it. And once you get past 85, no amount of VC is going to help you grind faster, just your own production based on your own skills. Buying the game gets you in the door, which is all it should do. If you don’t like it, that’s fine, but it’s also your problem, not the game’s.

                      2. Tekken, last I checked, doesn’t allow you to build your own fighter. If you want to play competitive with pre-built players, 2K has a mode for that as well. It’s called PNO. I’m pretty sure there’s no co-op either.

                      No one that got to 97 or 98 in the neighborhood in 2K19 got there because they shelled out a ton of money. That’s the most ignorant claim in this entire thread.
                      Last edited by Kstat; 09-02-2019, 06:53 PM.

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                      • tt500
                        Pro
                        • Jul 2015
                        • 749

                        #281
                        Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                        We should all really wait for the game to come out to have judgements instead of reacting the same like the rest of the gaming media on loot boxes.

                        From what I was told from myteam blog. Im expecting fair matchmaking where if im a budget player ill face other budget players in a much fairer game if im not using a lineup of galaxy opals.

                        Mycareer is fine. I can still put up monster numbers as a 80 overall. If anything the higher ratings would help you on pro am and mypark but there arw plenty of members who can prove they have beaten 90+ rated scrubs with a lower overall character.

                        My gripes with 2k19 was the defense and the ridiculous juiced myteam players. That ruined the game for me. But 2k so far is intending to make matchmaking better and offering more rewards. The casino theme is stupid but it rewards for winning a game. I wish they can just cut all that animation out cause I dont get excitment watching a ball drop.

                        I dont care if people want to spend on microtransactions. Its just annoying id they create a paywall, which hasnt really happened. We should get back to talking about the games mechanics and not this damn loot crate media purge. If anyone should be blamed its the parents allowing their kids access to their bank accounts or not properly monitoring them. 2k is in the business of making money not child rearing.

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                        • Quentin32
                          Pro
                          • Sep 2015
                          • 546

                          #282
                          Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                          Gamers are soft these days man lol

                          He a 90. I’m a 75. I’m gonna lose lol

                          U win some. U lose some.

                          I locked up 99 rated players being a 85, but I also got served by 99 rated players. Hell even some players rated lower dropped me off. Man up or pick one of the thousands of other games to play

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                          • ksuttonjr76
                            All Star
                            • Nov 2004
                            • 8662

                            #283
                            Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                            Originally posted by NoLeafClover
                            Sorry but this mindset is just weird to me.



                            "You have to EARN the right to enjoy the game you already paid $60 for on the same level as everyone else!"



                            These arguments just seem like dudes justifying wanting to have an advantage over other players via stats/badges/better cards etc. instead of their skill with the game just because they sink more $ or hours into it per day.



                            I play Tekken (the fighting game) quite a bit and the idea that people who play more should have a more powerful fighter is just hilarious and would instantly be torn down, yet 2K has trained people to expect it.



                            Just imagining if someone paid more $ to have an extra 10 damage added to their punches or some **** is hilarious yet that's exactly what happens here :o
                            Ummmmm...do they have a create-your-charcter feature? Your analogy would be more closely related if you play with the actual NBA teams.

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                            • StealthBlade98
                              Rookie
                              • Aug 2019
                              • 47

                              #284
                              Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                              Originally posted by mb625
                              His point was that if a game like 2k needs to be regulated via governance for microtransactions, video games which promote sex, drugs and violence ought to be regulated for these things too. Given that no one seems to be taking the charge on that one, why take up this crusade?
                              Except his point is absolutely irrelevant. The only time you see those types of things in a video game are on games rated Mature and warn people before hand it has these themes in it. Those games hardly need regulated because they're not trying to bleed the consumer dry with micros in several modes, including a offline focused mode, they're honest about what the game has and has a rating truly reflecting this.

                              The issue is 2k needs to be regulated because it's rating is E for Everyone meaning a kid as young as 7 years old can get his or her hand on nba2k and see these "UI" designs that are taken from casinos and thrown in to give the illusion of gambling and the psychological effect of addiction.

                              Why this is still a debate to be disagreed with after 30+ pages i have no idea, that example is as bad as the sonic and mario ones with black jack or casino night for (S2/S3).

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                              • Kid OS
                                Pro
                                • Sep 2016
                                • 829

                                #285
                                Re: Angryjoe's 2k take.

                                Originally posted by mb625
                                I think at that point, you have to ask a) what percentage of players play the Ante Up mode and b) what percentage of those are spending actual money to play it. It's important to note that most people earn VC, rather than actually paying for it, so they aren't out any actual money, just a minute amount of time.

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                                While this is 100% speculation, I would assume that someone who plays Ante Up would be on either extreme of the VC fund amount. It'd either be people who bought a lot of VC and want to get some more for a "low risk", or people who barely have any VC and want to get more for a "high risk". I think that the vast majority of the people would have higher overall players, and therefore have a lot of VC. It's probably safe to say that the first couple of months will mostly be people who payed for VC playing in the Ante Up mode. This is based on the fact that once a person spends a single penny on VC, the first game of Ante Up that they play will be with real money.

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