Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

[HoustonHarden]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

NBA 2K "no skill gap" 21

Dudes out here greening fade away threes like nothing, still, after the patch

Never seen more noobs score 20+ because of their builds and badges

Starting to think Badges are the devil. The gameplay was much easier for 2K to keep track of before these Badges. It was a good idea but with not much thought on the impact and basically it's reached the point of no return unless you wipe a lot of them out. I don't think 2K knows how to create a realistic game anymore even if they wanted to. And they don't want to. Park gameplay in Rec and Pro Am. Just watch the film. They've basically given the game to the community and said "it is what it is", "we think it's basketball but we're not sure what we're doing anymore". They're not trying to craft a basketball game, just microtransactions.

Where's Beluba to answer these Q's? Where is this company answering to the gameplay imbalance they've created. ....M.I.A.

its called pleasing customers unfortunately. People wanted to create whatever they wanted no matter how unrealistic. Everyone wanted to make a curry or kevin durant what had the dunking ability of Zion .2k just catered to their audience and took off all limits which resulted in the garbage you guys have now. I stillk to using NBA teams because all other mode have inflated player ratings where everyone is the spawn of Larry bird and michael jordan.

Also in 2k20 people called defensive badges "over powered" so 2k castrated dedicated defenders

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Every time I read this thread, I keep changing my mind about going online to REC. I still haven't jump into the mode, and I haven't even reached the College/G-League part of the MyCareer story.

[HoustonHarden]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Every time I read this thread, I keep changing my mind about going online to REC. I still haven't jump into the mode, and I haven't even reached the College/G-League part of the MyCareer story.

its on a low difficulty which sucks when everyone is a superstar player with no weakness.

[Thrustie]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Looks like they tweaked the AI tendencies after the update. They will shoot if they’re open now with mediocre results. Whether that forces players to at least cover them remains to be seen. They’re still brain dead on defense though and generally give anyone they cover a wide open look from 3 or, at most, a very low contest.


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[Caelumfang]

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You all are still whining about this? Good lord. So people whined about those restricted *** builds we've had to deal with for the past 6 years, and now that you can make whatever you want, you whine about that too? Oh and guess what? Currently there's no penalty for quitting out of Rec games. If you find yourself against a 'squad' or teamed with idiots, just leave the damn game and go jump in the next lobby. The only real valid complaint I've seen in here so far is about braindead AI.

[Thrustie]

Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You all are still whining about this? Good lord. So people whined about those restricted *** builds we've had to deal with for the past 6 years, and now that you can make whatever you want, you whine about that too? Oh and guess what? Currently there's no penalty for quitting out of Rec games. If you find yourself against a 'squad' or teamed with idiots, just leave the damn game and go jump in the next lobby. The only real valid complaint I've seen in here so far is about braindead AI.

I was actually happy with the role player builds honestly. That said, I’m mostly ok with what they’ve done now although I really think they need to make some stats more prevalent since players are ignoring entire buckets of attributes. The PF builds are a mess though and have really killed Rec. Guards are becoming non -existent.


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[Caelumfang]

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I was actually happy with the role player builds honestly. That said, I’m mostly ok with what they’ve done now although I really think they need to make some stats more prevalent since players are ignoring entire buckets of attributes. The PF builds are a mess though and have really killed Rec. Guards are becoming existent.


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People are ignoring entire attributes because a few of them, such as Steal, cost waaaaay too much against your overall. Yeah, some builds have moderate to high steal, but because of the cost, they're going to be sorely lacking somewhere else. And most figure "Okay, I can increase Steal and get maybe 2 defensive badge points, or I can ignore it, put that cost somewhere else, and gain 6-8 defensive badge points."


Most of those PFs play the exact same way, and none of them can shoot FTs. So dealing with them, especially if you come across a group that understands team and help defense (when needed), isn't that big of a problem. Wanna neutralize them? Send them to the free throw line a few times. Once they start bricking those FTs, most will be more hesitant on rim running, especially late game with a close score.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

You all are still whining about this? Good lord. So people whined about those restricted *** builds we've had to deal with for the past 6 years, and now that you can make whatever you want, you whine about that too? Oh and guess what? Currently there's no penalty for quitting out of Rec games. If you find yourself against a 'squad' or teamed with idiots, just leave the damn game and go jump in the next lobby. The only real valid complaint I've seen in here so far is about braindead AI.

Personally, I was all for the pie chart, because it at least created some variety in builds. Yes, some builds were more popular than others, but it was still variety. From the moment they announced this new method, I already knew almost everyone and their momma was a going to create a demigod once one was discovered.

There are some people who are willing to try non-meta builds (like myself), but the meta builds are a challenge. I haven't tried yet, but realistically I don't think I can compete compete, so I haven't tried yet. I could surprise myself and actually be good, but I'm not really in a rush to find out.

This new way of creating builds was a bad idea, because most of the 2K Community lack creativity and will always seek the "best builds" according to YouTube.

[Caelumfang]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Personally, I was all for the pie chart, because it at least created some variety in builds. Yes, some builds were more popular than others, but it was still variety. From the moment they announced this new method, I already knew almost everyone and their momma was a going to create a demigod once one was discovered.

There are some people who are willing to try non-meta builds (like myself), but the meta builds are a challenge. I haven't tried yet, but realistically I don't think I can compete compete, so I haven't tried yet. I could surprise myself and actually be good, but I'm not really in a rush to find out.

This new way of creating builds was a bad idea, because most of the 2K Community lack creativity and will always seek the "best builds" according to YouTube.

Just because you have choices doesn't mean there’s variety, if that makes sense. When you delved deep into 2k20, you came to realize that there was one pie chart that ruled them all. While the other charts possessed some sort of weakness, there was one chart that had NO weakness: The red/yellow pie chart. It’s cute that the other charts were there, but why pick them when there’s one single chart that can do everyone else’s job just as well?

Of all those charts, there were only 3 being used, and a 4th just to be a little different. So that’s not really variety. Everything else was used out of boredom.

[Thrustie]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

People are ignoring entire attributes because a few of them, such as Steal, cost waaaaay too much against your overall. Yeah, some builds have moderate to high steal, but because of the cost, they're going to be sorely lacking somewhere else. And most figure "Okay, I can increase Steal and get maybe 2 defensive badge points, or I can ignore it, put that cost somewhere else, and gain 6-8 defensive badge points."


Most of those PFs play the exact same way, and none of them can shoot FTs. So dealing with them, especially if you come across a group that understands team and help defense (when needed), isn't that big of a problem. Wanna neutralize them? Send them to the free throw line a few times. Once they start bricking those FTs, most will be more hesitant on rim running, especially late game with a close score.

Even disregarding steal, with its high cost, there’s other attributes that appear to have muted impacts. Strength and vertical are basically irrelevant except for a select few builds. Tests ran show Strength basically only effects back downs and screens (marginally). Vertical doesn’t appear to impact anything but rebounding.

The 85 badge PF I created has a 75 free throw so that’s not the case for all of them. It has no weaknesses other than post defense which rarely gets exposed. Suggesting they all play the same way is exaggeration. It’s indisputably the best build in the game. Every player is going to differ in their ability to maximize its potential but, in the hands of a skilled player, it’s a very tough matchup. Hopefully next year 2K let’s some play testers toy with the builder for a few days to prevent this.

[loso_34]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

NBA 2K "no skill gap" 21

Dudes out here greening fade away threes like nothing, still, after the patch

Never seen more noobs score 20+ because of their builds and badges

Starting to think Badges are the devil. The gameplay was much easier for 2K to keep track of before these Badges. It was a good idea but with not much thought on the impact and basically it's reached the point of no return unless you wipe a lot of them out. I don't think 2K knows how to create a realistic game anymore even if they wanted to. And they don't want to. Park gameplay in Rec and Pro Am. Just watch the film. They've basically given the game to the community and said "it is what it is", "we think it's basketball but we're not sure what we're doing anymore". They're not trying to craft a basketball game, just microtransactions.

Where's Beluba to answer these Q's? Where is this company answering to the gameplay imbalance they've created. ....M.I.A.

In terms of scoring thats how 2k20 was to me. Pretty much everyone was a "scorer" on that game because every build could shoot at a high clip. Once the threat to shoot is there it makes everything else easier.

2k21 on the ps4 brought many of those guys back to reality but it sounds like next gen has reverted back.

[loso_34]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

I was actually happy with the role player builds honestly. That said, I’m mostly ok with what they’ve done now although I really think they need to make some stats more prevalent since players are ignoring entire buckets of attributes. The PF builds are a mess though and have really killed Rec. Guards are becoming non -existent.


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The less amount of brain dead guards the better. Theres nothing worse than the pg's i've seen the past 2 years it's good to hear those guys have moved to the wing.

[ksuttonjr76]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Just because you have choices doesn't mean there’s variety, if that makes sense. When you delved deep into 2k20, you came to realize that there was one pie chart that ruled them all. While the other charts possessed some sort of weakness, there was one chart that had NO weakness: The red/yellow pie chart. It’s cute that the other charts were there, but why pick them when there’s one single chart that can do everyone else’s job just as well?

Of all those charts, there were only 3 being used, and a 4th just to be a little different. So that’s not really variety. Everything else was used out of boredom.

We have differing opinions. It was still variety where we saw multiple builds for other positions. In NBA 2K21 and from watching YouTube, a VAST majority of people are creating the same PF build that has an ungodly amount of badge. That's NOT variety. In NBA 2K20, you least had an opportunity to try other builds and not get roasted if you're fairly decent at the game.

With the meta being the Zion Williams build on crack, you're taking a BIG risk trying to create another build and not getting roasted. I have a created a center that should (in theory) handle those builds in the paint, but...it won't/can't guard those builds on the perimeter due to the speed. Drop back, and they'll drop a 3 in your face. I will probably rarely see the ball on offense, because historically REC players don't pass to post-oriented players. That's too boring for them.

What's the advantage of creating a build that's NOT the meta?

[The 24th Letter]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

Was fortunate enough to run into a great squad if randoms tonight.

It turns out if you center your offense around the 7'2 tank who has 6'7-6'9 centers on him, good things happen

That said, interior defense, good lord.

90 interior D
95 block
HOF Intimidator, Rim

They just don't have to fear me...I know those badges have historically OP but they don't even have to think twice. Hands up with my max wingspan doesn't matter much, lol. Yikes.

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[Thrustie]

Re: Matchmaking in Rec is awful.

The less amount of brain dead guards the better. Theres nothing worse than the pg's i've seen the past 2 years it's good to hear those guys have moved to the wing.

There’s functionally no difference though. These “PF” still run as primary ball handlers. You just can’t fill your Rec walk on squads because there’s always a lack of guards.


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