Speed Difference

[VictorMG]

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I've played about 10 games and I've seen it at least 10 times a game.

What the issue is when slower bigs are doing it against elite speedsters.

I'm sorry, but I just can't believe that. There is no way that could happen that often, to that extent, without people being extremely vocal about it, and this is the first I'm hearing of it.

[swac07]

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I can believe that. It must be hell to make the game realistic for mycareer players versus 5 v 5 basketball nba teams. Making a user vs user experience has to have totally different issues then user v user when there are 8 other AI players.



If they keep the game exactly the same, and go back to 2k21 speed and on ball defense don’t you think the game would be damn near perfect? Or do you like the speed and on ball better this year?

Yup vs cpu in mycareer(5 v 5 nba ) its hell(speed difference)....vs a human its a totally different experience

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[loso_34]

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Far from the truth there’s no transition game in rec. the human element doesn’t make a difference.

[alabamarob]

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Far from the truth there’s no transition game in rec. the human element doesn’t make a difference.

So guys are getting ran down there also

[Smallville102001]

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Man the feedback in this thread is awesome. But I've been preaching this for years.....

I wish one of the Devs who created or worked on sliders, would make a video or blog explaining the sliders in DETAIL. Meaning how does each slider affect the game and give examples. Especially for sliders that are not black and white.

Instead of us trying to figure all this stuff out.

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That would be great if we got detail of the different sliders for sure even more so the ones like you said that are not black and white. Like of course if you put close shot success up to like 60 from say 50 you know that you are going to see more inside shots going in but like how much different does it make? Than with the black and white and sliders and such you have stuff like hands. I know it says it makes it so you get more deflections but I also wonder if putting hands up higher also makes it so players catch the ball better and fumble the ball less. Then hustle does it effect just fast breaks? Or does it make it so you get more like loose balls? What all does offensive awareness do? Does charge fouls slider increase just how much charges are called vs like a no call or does it also make it so that there is over all more body contact. The shot contest sliders does it also increase like fouls by increasing how close players are and creating more contact. With the shoot tendencies sliders if you increase midrange to 60 but leave the other ones at 50 how does it effect the CPU trying to take inside shots vs if you depress inside shots to 40 but keep everything else at 50? Last one I want to bring up is with the tendencies sliders how does it impact the user side? like if you put 3 pointers up higher does it make it so guys tend to hang around the outside more meaning better change at a player being able to catch a pass on the outside?

[EccentricMeat]

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I can believe that. It must be hell to make the game realistic for mycareer players versus 5 v 5 basketball nba teams. Making a user vs user experience has to have totally different issues then user v user when there are 8 other AI players.

If they keep the game exactly the same, and go back to 2k21 speed and on ball defense don’t you think the game would be damn near perfect? Or do you like the speed and on ball better this year?

Speed was completely broken as was on-ball defense in 2K21. You could just run around the defender and they were helpless to stop it. Hell no they shouldn't bring that back. And it wasn't a problem where defenders were too slow, ball handlers were just way too fast.

Honestly, everything from 2K21 should be shot, burned, strangled, drowned, and launched into the sun.

[goma76]

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Speed was completely broken as was on-ball defense in 2K21. You could just run around the defender and they were helpless to stop it. Hell no they shouldn't bring that back. And it wasn't a problem where defenders were too slow, ball handlers were just way too fast.

Honestly, everything from 2K21 should be shot, burned, strangled, drowned, and launched into the sun.

Superquote.

On ball defense in 2K21 was terrible, nothing good to copy from it

[Dione2014]

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Superquote.

On ball defense in 2K21 was terrible, nothing good to copy from it

Yeah 2K21’s on ball defense was absolutely abysmal. No matter what difficulty you set, you could just run right around the A.I completely. Half the time avoiding any sort of contact or hip riding animation. Honestly some of the worst ball handler vs defender mechanics in any 2K I’ve played.

[The 24th Letter]

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I can believe that. It must be hell to make the game realistic for mycareer players versus 5 v 5 basketball nba teams. Making a user vs user experience has to have totally different issues then user v user when there are 8 other AI players.



If they keep the game exactly the same, and go back to 2k21 speed and on ball defense don’t you think the game would be damn near perfect? Or do you like the speed and on ball better this year?

Yeah man, I can't imagine trying to balance it, which is why even with some issues, I give them props for putting out a good game on the court. That's a really good question though- I'm not quite certain where I stand on it yet as far as what I'd take between the two.

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[alabamarob]

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Superquote.

On ball defense in 2K21 was terrible, nothing good to copy from it

I disagree. The user defense in 2k21 was almost perfect and realistic. I could keep people in front of me if I had a decent defender. The only issue was ball tangibility. I even thought on ball defense was OP in 2k21. I guess it's all preference

Yeah 2K21’s on ball defense was absolutely abysmal. No matter what difficulty you set, you could just run right around the A.I completely. Half the time avoiding any sort of contact or hip riding animation. Honestly some of the worst ball handler vs defender mechanics in any 2K I’ve played.

I guess I wasn't that good on offense, because I couldn't get to the rim with anyone other then Young. The AI just had horrible help defense, but the on ball was fine. Against other users I had a ton of games where my opponent and I didn't even get 90 points. I could not drive versus alot of my opponents.

[alabamarob]

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As long as they refuse to make the ball tangible defense will either be overpowered or underpowered. 2k refuses to make people watch where they dribble the ball.

[NYJin2011tm]

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It was def too easy to drive around defender to basket with anyone even on HOF last year.

[ILLSmak]

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I agree with you. And I like 2k22 a lot more than 2K21, because they improved other areas greatly. It's just that what they did with the defense, while offering a more challenging experience compared to 2K21, it goes further away from becoming a better sim in my opinion. A lot of people are happy with this, and I'd be too when comparing to 2K21, but, like I said, it's just a bandaid for the problem. We've had this type of defense in another recent 2K, so to me they just went back to that.

Yea and it’s almost all sliders haha. I mean I can still beat cpu. In mc/player lock it seems like cpu is more hesitant to pass you the ball on the break or when you flash open, mashing x for 2.5 seconds. Those are not fixes, plus if you get ahead of ai at all and go up w a lay up you’re probably gonna get fouled just like last year so u can get insane fts. It’s all the same end, can be a worked around, but yea giving dudes that boost of speed at half court for breaks was weird, and making the ball slow you down so much is also weird. It is back and forth and that’s why it’s weird. Let the cpu chase me haha it’s the cpu chasing itself that ruins things IMO, at the very least they should have the awareness to not shoot, if u know how to icon lead pass you can still get some nice ones.

But I def agree it feels less sim in some aspects and didn’t IMO gain enough balance to warrant it.

Edit @ rob yea dudes say we cooled down the bumpsteals. It’s like o u mean the ones where people dribbled the ball right into someone who was reaching. Nice.

-Smak

[alabamarob]

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Yea and it’s almost all sliders haha. I mean I can still beat cpu. In mc/player lock it seems like cpu is more hesitant to pass you the ball on the break or when you flash open, mashing x for 2.5 seconds. Those are not fixes, plus if you get ahead of ai at all and go up w a lay up you’re probably gonna get fouled just like last year so u can get insane fts. It’s all the same end, can be a worked around, but yea giving dudes that boost of speed at half court for breaks was weird, and making the ball slow you down so much is also weird. It is back and forth and that’s why it’s weird. Let the cpu chase me haha it’s the cpu chasing itself that ruins things IMO, at the very least they should have the awareness to not shoot, if u know how to icon lead pass you can still get some nice ones.

But I def agree it feels less sim in some aspects and didn’t IMO gain enough balance to warrant it.

Edit @ rob yea dudes say we cooled down the bumpsteals. It’s like o u mean the ones where people dribbled the ball right into someone who was reaching. Nice.

-Smak

Yea I have no idea why bump steals was ever an issue. If you dribble the ball into an object it should come loose. That seems like simple physics and logic to me. 2k12 was the last game with a live ball. A live ball would kill 90 percent of the defensive issues, because if someone was mashing turbo the ball would constantly be loose.

[rudyjuly2]

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Yea I have no idea why bump steals was ever an issue. If you dribble the ball into an object it should come loose. That seems like simple physics and logic to me. 2k12 was the last game with a live ball. A live ball would kill 90 percent of the defensive issues, because if someone was mashing turbo the ball would constantly be loose.

I think the game is a lot better if you drop Ball security way down. I have it at 10. Only when it’s really low will you see strips on shots and some actual steals on the perimeter by better defenders imo (at least on All-Star). The ball will feel a lot more Live.