NBA2K10 - Devs- The Bar has been Raised.

[edubbs]

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WTF? I am not getting all of this NBA2k hate.

I tried live and quite frankly...it's the same EA Bball game to me. Clunky animations, awkward shooting motions, etc. I've never been a fan of EA basketball games and it would really take something special for me to ever turn back their way.

I don't think it's 'hate' so much, I think it's more like 'concern' people are voicing here.

And I agree, that NBA2K9 is a great looking and animating game. And Live is trailing far behind in visuals and animation IMO.

To your point ALOT of people are quick to say that Live is truely NextGen but, the game after all these years still animates horrible.

In any case, the 2k team knows the gameplay issues that are in this year's game and some of them have been in this franchise for a few years now.

Also, this will be 2k's 1st full dev. cycle without their lead gameplay designer for the previous 3 NBA2K releases. Beluba leaving, had to be a significant adjustment for them also.

They (2k) have earned the benefit of the doubt, with their history of producing great basketball games. And I'm willing to give them that.

However, If underlying issues like court spacing, footplanting, CPU iso and pick and roll game, CPU playcalling etc...are not addressed this year, it's pretty safe to say that they do not have the technology/engine in place to resolve these issues.

In anycase, NBA2K10 will pretty much answer all questions in regards to whether or not the 2k developers have maxed out the current engine.

[DC]

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LOL Why does it have to be HATE Aubrun?

We were just disappointed with 2K9.

Half features (Only being able to edit eye color in edit prospects)
The broken help defense
The bad ai defensive switching logic
The ghost layups that go right through defenders bodies (clipping I guess it is called)
The herky jerky controls that randomly cause your players to move around like roaches

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The fact that you can't get realistic stats in Association mdoe is garbage. After a year of simulation the highest rebounder averaged 9.6 rebound per games and the highest scorer avergae 24.7 points per game. Don't ever come to me saying the game is authentic if the stats are not anywhere near the real NBA. How can it be authnetic then?

[DC]

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The fact that you can't get realistic stats in Association mdoe is garbage. After a year of simulation the highest rebounder averaged 9.6 rebound per games and the highest scorer avergae 24.7 points per game. Don't ever come to me saying the game is authentic if the stats are not anywhere near the real NBA. How can it be authnetic then?

http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-new-post.html

[ronyell]

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WTF?

I am not getting all of this NBA2k hate.


I DISAGREE with just about everyone in this thread. I love 2k9. I play the hell out of it..which is saying something for me since I'm a college guy at heart. I've played probably 80 combined games between my Rockets and Pacers franchises.



With slider tweaks and roster updates, I get consistently great games. The only major issue I have is the damn bounce passes in traffic...other than that..the game is gorgeous and plays a very very good game of basketball for me.



I tried live and quite frankly...it's the same EA Bball game to me. Clunky animations, awkward shooting motions, etc. I've never been a fan of EA basketball games and it would really take something special for me to ever turn back their way.



But again....I personally think NBA2k9 is the best sports game I've played, right alongside College Hoops 2k8.



Considering how EA consistently falls behind 2k in performance, the 2k guys get the benefit of the doubt with me if they don't spend as much time interacting with the community. Just my .02.

you took the words right out of my mouth... everyone should be honest & know that we will NEVER get a "perfect" out-of-the-box sports game from any developer on any system because of gamer interpretation & marketing... 2k9 has been THE BEST thus far!

LOL Why does it have to be HATE Aubrun?

We were just disappointed with 2K9.


Half features (Only being able to edit eye color in edit prospects)

The broken help defense

The bad ai defensive switching logic
The ghost layups that go right through defenders bodies (clipping I guess it is called)

The herky jerky controls that randomly cause your players to move around like roaches

i have 2 respectfully disagree "King DC"... yes some things are very frustrating and a lot of things could've been better but overall i remember being MUCH more unhappy with certain aspects of previous versions.

for the most part... a lot of the things that we are annoyed by are minor/easy fixes which is what "truly" frustrates us, but all in all, the devs do step up to the plate & fix things the we SPECIFICALLY here at OP complain about. They may not always post info (which i cant lie... i would appreciate if they did more often) but they do seem to attemp to address our moans & groans

it's all about trial & error to me...

u mention the help d issue: that was a fix from lack there of last year and no jump shooters ever being left open... so they over did it this year but i'm sure they will find the happy medium. - bad defensive switching: again we did not get this AT ALL last year, and we complained... so they added it... just needs tweaking...


etc, etc...

they just need to work on NOT getting rid of "old but good" ideas when they come up with a new one... and making things complete...

all that being said, i will reitterate that i think 2k9 is the best b-ball game i've ever played and my complaints are minimal in contrast to things i posted last year and posts that i saw last & earlier. as long as they don't get complacent & realize that EA is making some strides, they will remain the best basketball series.

(p.s. - even though Live has greatly improved from it's previous state doesnt mean that it is THAT DAMN GOOD... [2k was a grade A & Live was a grade D... Live jumped up TWO WHOLE GRADES... WOW... now 2k is still an A & Live is a B... A>B] i would much rather have a slightly flawed 2k basketball than be addicted to an EA series which makes drastic strides once every decade than leave it the game as is for the next ten years)

[DC]

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College Hoops 2K8 > NBA 2K9 by far

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http://www.operationsports.com/forum...-new-post.html

Thanks for looking out. I already have those rosters, but that's the point I'm making. Why can someone easily fix an in-game problem within the span of say a month after the game has been released and the developer spent 6 months making the game and he couldnt fix the issue. That's just not a 2K problem that's a development problem. I know somethings are always going to be wrong with the game, but simulated stats should always be on point right out of the box.

[STLRams]

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This is not a hate thread, just a real thread. I love NBA2K9, but the game did have alot of issues. The point of this thread is to look at what the other Devs are starting to do with there games, the past year upto now and the future. The interaction and developer feedback with the community for MLB09 The show turned out to be great. There end product is fantastic. EA devs are following suit and are honeslty striving to improve gameplay with Madden, despite what people think. They too are following steps that the MLB Show devs have done and have payed closed attention to that game. Heck the Lead Dev even admitted of having NFL2K5 running in demo mode and taking notes from it. They are getting fans opinions and feedback of what should be put in the game.

NBA Live 09 was a improvement and a step in the right direction. Im not a Live fan but I can't hate on there NBA Live DNA feature - as far as stats, rosters and player and teams tendencies, this kills NBA2K9 Living Rosters. Its just there gameplay and animations are not on 2K's level....yet. The devs are also communicating and getting fan feedback on things they are doing so far with there game, plus they've mentioned that they are attempting to improve on the animations and gameplay for Live10. The question is why can't 2K interact with us like this? Do they understand that the developers of other sports games are raising the bar? Can they be open and honest with us like the other devs and tell us early, - yes we are fixing the PIP issue, yes we are fixing the online issues, yes we are fixing the player and teams tendencies gameplay and rosters so you the fans won't have constantly adjust the sliders and settings all year.Or ask are feedback on new things to add or old things to get rid off or improve. Not leaving us in the dark, not addressing issues like court spacing, something we've been asking to get fixed for over two years now. Hate all you want on NBALive, or EA but beware if 2K doesn't step up this year and make some huge strides, 2K will be the one left behind this time. Like I said im not hating on 2KBasketball, but I can be honest and talk about issues with 2K, and great things about the competition.

[EWRMETS]

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I think Live already has surpassed 2k.

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Key quotes about EA and Live 10: Before hating or bashing analyze'....

Mike Wang: At 2K, a lot of it is just window-dressing, a lot of it is just animations, and that's stuff we're already starting to do, collecting more data on that end, and Live is going to surpass that pretty easily. And the under-the-hood stuff with Synergy, that's what is pretty huge and it's something we could never do at 2K. That's why I'm so excited about Live.

Mike Wang: And I wouldn't say that we're not doing new stuff, as there are some exciting innovations in this year's title, but we're really focused on the fundamentals and getting things right. One of the things I always struggled with at 2K was when we were porting up from old gen to now, it's still just a port, and 2K has been covering up a lot of those problems with new animations. But with NBA Live, the foundation with the technology is really special, and what I see here is the potential for something that can be great. I think we're just now starting to realize that potential of what the hardware can give us, and we're capitalizing on that right now.



Sean O'Brien: And that's the thing you'll notice when we start showing the game this summer or at E3. There won't be a new Freestyle control or any sort of marketable gameplay mechanic feature. It's more about just building solid gameplay. And that may sound not very exciting, but if you understand where we are, that's an extremely serious message that we're filling in those cracks in the gameplay Mike mentioned, then adding another level of depth that we'll get into later in the summer. It's not a gimmicky feature, it's more of a core part of an NBA basketball game that is missing right now.

Mike Wang: And you can't downplay the importance of Dynamic DNA with all of this stuff. When you introduce a big feature like that, the first year you're never going to see the full vision of the feature. But for this year, I think you're really going to see all of that. We're implementing that Synergy Sports data into every aspect of gameplay right now and it's going to have a lot more of an affect and show through. Like Sean said, player differentials and signature stuff, that's huge to us because that's what NBA basketball is all about. You need to differentiate the stars and the teams as well, so I think this is a huge focus for us. Don't expect just a minor upgrade with this, there is going to be a huge difference.

Sean O'Brien: I know a lot of people are jaded, a lot of people are going to be skeptical, and to be honest, I get a lot of those questions like "how is this year going to be different" internally as well. And that's not a knock on what's happened prior to now, but I think a lot of people have heard how this is the year for NBA and how we're going to be better than 2K, but what we're saying this year is that we have a new direction and I strongly believe that this is going to be an unbelievable basketball title this coming year.

EWRMETS I hope your wrong, but time will tell that you maybe right. The bar has been raised by with Sony and EA...
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Man I just rented NBA Live and to be honest....that game sucks. I don't see how anyone could even compare the two. The graphics are nowhere near as good as NBA2K, lol, I can't believe peole say the games are even close. Still, that doesn't mean NBA2K should rest on it's laurels because it can easily be topped. While NBALive sux, to me NBA2K9 isn't that good, especially considering the minor flaws that I've mentioned that annot the isht out of me.

[bowdown2shadi]

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Man I just rented NBA Live and to be honest....that game sucks. I don't see how anyone could even compare the two. The graphics are nowhere near as good as NBA2K, lol, I can't believe peole say the games are even close. Still, that doesn't mean NBA2K should rest on it's laurels because it can easily be topped. While NBALive sux, to me NBA2K9 isn't that good, especially considering the minor flaws that I've mentioned that annot the isht out of me.

IMO Live has something going. With footplanting, DNA, etc. it has the potential to be the best basketball title next year. I really wouldn't say it sucks. Graphics are really hit or miss on player models.

Man, we just gotta wait till October for next years bball match-up.

[Behindshadows]

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Man I just rented NBA Live and to be honest....that game sucks. I don't see how anyone could even compare the two. The graphics are nowhere near as good as NBA2K, lol, I can't believe peole say the games are even close. Still, that doesn't mean NBA2K should rest on it's laurels because it can easily be topped. While NBALive sux, to me NBA2K9 isn't that good, especially considering the minor flaws that I've mentioned that annot the isht out of me.

The typical 2kfanboy response all the way down to the jacked up spelling!

(I just rented it) GTFO - you haven't rented anything.

(NBA Live sux) - spelling "sucks" like that must be in the fanboy handbook. Because it always finds it's way into a sentence when discussing the competitions game.

I just wrote a piece on the bias 2kfan gamers in the All Pro threads with this exact type of post as a sample of the bias gamer! And here comes a post in almost the exact terms or should I say words that I wrote them.

Only part of your post I agree with is the annoying things that plague 2k9 that prevent it from being so great. Other than that the beginning of the post is just trash. And you can't even get the feel of DNA with a rental copy. But it's all good I know you had to voice your EA bashing in the beginning of the post, just so it would give you a better feeling about discussing your disgust with 2k9 as well...lol So funny though!

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LOL off top dude I ain't a 2k fanboy I just call it like I see it. The graphics of Live suck compared to 2K9 so get off my nuts. I never bashed EA I bashed LIVE, NCAA College Football is my favorite sports title so once again please get off my nutz. You are obviously a EA fanboy which is why you come to the fricking 2K boards to defend it. I play whatever game is best period. I heard the hype about Live and went and rented the copy today to check out what I was hearing, you are correct I didn't get to use the DNA feature, but did I make a single comment about that feature, no I did not, so once again GET OFF MY NUTZ!!!! I honestly don't give a damn what company makes the product. I'm going to be real about the situation, none of these companies have ever paid a dime to me, so I go for what is best. NBA2K9, MLB The Show, and NCAA College Football period. Anything else is weak to me, and I have played them all. So once again before I ride out STAY OFF MY NUTZ

[bowdown2shadi]

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LOL off top dude I ain't a 2k fanboy I just call it like I see it. The graphics of Live suck compared to 2K9 so get off my nuts. I never bashed EA I bashed LIVE, NCAA College Football is my favorite sports title so once again please get off my nutz. You are obviously a EA fanboy which is why you come to the fricking 2K boards to defend it. I play whatever game is best period. I heard the hype about Live and went and rented the copy today to check out what I was hearing, you are correct I didn't get to use the DNA feature, but did I make a single comment about that feature, no I did not, so once again GET OFF MY NUTZ!!!! I honestly don't give a damn what company makes the product. I'm going to be real about the situation, none of these companies have ever paid a dime to me, so I go for what is best. NBA2K9, MLB The Show, and NCAA College Football period. Anything else is weak to me, and I have played them all. So once again before I ride out STAY OFF MY NUTZ

Wow, can people get banned for stupid comments like that? Seriously man, grow up a bit. We can all tell how mature you are from the way you type.

And I cosign what behindshadows said. Thats my thought when reading your post.

Again, about the post you just made, you could have handled it in a different way. "Get off my nutz" has NOTHING to do with his post.